Nicolas Otamendi | City Player

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devilish said:
First of all, lets see what happens once the dust settles down. Blind is renowned for taking his time to settle down. At Ajax he was booed and was very close of leaving until he suddenly became a crucial player for them. Honestly I cant see him becoming the DM we need. However as LB he's got a good chance of winning his first team place. Shaw is a bit of injury prone and he had hardly set OT alight hasn't he?

Even if he becomes a utility player, Blind is a much better player than OShea.
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I think he's better, but not that much better. Shaw wasnt injury prone, he's injury record in Soton is very good.
Blind would have a hard time being first choice on midfield and left back. And I don't mean to undermine Blind, just to remark that O'Shea was severely underrated I his time here. I think Blind would do the exact same job as O'Shea here, albeit probably being a bit better. However, considering we got Blind for 16 mill and O'Shea for free I think O'Shea doesn't get the credit he deserves because he didn't cost much
 
If true, the price will be around 50 mio pounds after the Spanish tax.. And I'm sorry to say, but really can't see Otamendi being worth so much money..
 
reelworld said:
I think he's better, but not that much better. Shaw wasnt injury prone, he's injury record in Soton is very good.
Blind would have a hard time being first choice on midfield and left back. And I don't mean to undermine Blind, just to remark that O'Shea was severely underrated I his time here. I think Blind would do the exact same job as O'Shea here, albeit probably being a bit better. However, considering we got Blind for 16 mill and O'Shea for free I think O'Shea doesn't get the credit he deserves because he didn't cost much
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Oshea gets the credit he deserves, I've not seen any United fan that doesn't love him or didn't value what he did at United, however, we accept that he was a very limited player, there's no shame in that. The same would have been the case if we had signed him for 100m pounds. Scholes didn't cost us anything either, but we valued him as one of the best, because he truly was. It's not about fee, it's about what a player does and the level of their talent. Blind is more talented and far better than O'shea ever was tbh.
 
reelworld said:
I think he's better, but not that much better. Shaw wasnt injury prone, he's injury record in Soton is very good.
Blind would have a hard time being first choice on midfield and left back. And I don't mean to undermine Blind, just to remark that O'Shea was severely underrated I his time here. I think Blind would do the exact same job as O'Shea here, albeit probably being a bit better. However, considering we got Blind for 16 mill and O'Shea for free I think O'Shea doesn't get the credit he deserves because he didn't cost much
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We're discussing talent not fees. We're Manchester United not Chester.

I think that Blind is a much better footballer than OShea ever was. Also he's got a decent chance of making it as LB.
 
Oo0AahCantona said:
sold. to Ed woodward, and the back of my united shirt next season.
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Pretty impressive. I know it is easy to leave out the Scenes in which Messi just makes you fall down on your a** in such compilations. However, you won`t be able to make many compilations of defenders stopping Messi that often.
 
devilish said:
We're discussing talent not fees. We're Manchester United not Chester.

I think that Blind is a much better footballer than OShea ever was. Also he's got a decent chance of making it as LB.
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He IS a left back. Hes played most of his career there. awful midfielder.
 
devilish said:
I think that Blind is a much better footballer than OShea ever was. Also he's got a decent chance of making it as LB.
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will disagree with that. O'Shea was oafish once he bulked up but in his debut year he was quite good and quick. Also he was defensively quite sound. Blind will have to show more to be comparable to O'Shea as a footballer
 
£35m...feck that I'd rather get someone like John Stones or Laporte, both are younger with huge potential and in all honesty I don't think Otamendi is even that good. Valencia are playing it cool but if they get a £35m offer they will be laughing.
 
nokillingmoths said:
He IS a left back. Hes played most of his career there. awful midfielder.
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Yeah, no. He's at his best as a midfielder, had his best season at Ajax as the holding midfielder and some good games there this season, too. Somehow that's erased of some people's memory. He's mostly a good utility player.

Back to Otamendi. If the reported prices are true, then I am not overly keen for us to sign him. One very good season as a 27 year old shouldn't be enough for that sort of money IMO. We could get Laporte for less, who's had two decent seasons and seems to fit better into van Gaal's philosophy.
 
bucky said:
Yeah, no. He's at his best as a midfielder, had his best season at Ajax as the holding midfielder and some good games there this season, too. Somehow that's erased of some people's memory. He's mostly a good utility player.

Back to Otamendi. If the reported prices are true, then I am not overly keen for us to sign him. One very good season as a 27 year old shouldn't be enough for that sort of money IMO. We could get Laporte for less, who's had two decent seasons and seems to fit better into van Gaal's philosophy.
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I think we are looking for the finished article and not a work in progress.
 
sajeev said:
will disagree with that. O'Shea was oafish once he bulked up but in his debut year he was quite good and quick. Also he was defensively quite sound. Blind will have to show more to be comparable to O'Shea as a footballer
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:lol: Blind will soon become the worst player to have ever played for United at this rate. From hero to zero in a matter of two months.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Is he the finished article or a one season wonder? Our luck we will get conned again.
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Pretty good for Porto before Valencia too so he cannot really be one-season wonder. Where has he failed?
 
Pretty amazing he didn't make the argentina WC squad ahead of the likes of Fernandez...
 
Get him in. Should have gone for him last summer instead of Benatia. Now looks as though we could end up paying silly fee's.
 
Sarni said:
:lol: Blind will soon become the worst player to have ever played for United at this rate. From hero to zero in a matter of two months.
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meh, there was too much excitement over him due to him being Dutch. his best position for us will be left-back, on the bench that is
 
sajeev said:
meh, there was too much excitement over him due to him being Dutch. his best position for us will be left-back, on the bench that is
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He's a good midfielder. Him being Dutch had nothing to do with excitement, him being pretty good at football might have.
 
Sarni said:
He's not a left back, he's a midfielder who can be used at left back out of necessity.
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He has played faaaar more games at leftback then in the middle in his career. The games he played for us as a midfielder, he hasn't convinced me otherwise.
 
legball said:
Oshea gets the credit he deserves, I've not seen any United fan that doesn't love him or didn't value what he did at United, however, we accept that he was a very limited player, there's no shame in that. The same would have been the case if we had signed him for 100m pounds. Scholes didn't cost us anything either, but we valued him as one of the best, because he truly was. It's not about fee, it's about what a player does and the level of their talent. Blind is more talented and far better than O'shea ever was tbh.
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:lol: You obviously wasn't here when he was still at the club. And there's that, calling him a very limited player. It seems people just remember him during his last seasons for United. Fact is, O'Shea played almost 400 games at Manchester United at various position, at one of the most successful period of the club. A 'very limited' player wouldn't get close to that, he'll be shipped out after a few games. At one point in his career, he was one of the best left back in the league (2002-2003), a first choice midfielder (half a season partnering Giggs which only lost 1 game IIRC), and damn good cover for any defensive position and holding midfield. Let me repeat that I think Blind is a better footballer than O'Shea, but it looked like he'll be doing the exact same job that O'Shea during his career here, and considering what O'Shea achieved, I think there's no shame in that.

devilish said:
We're discussing talent not fees. We're Manchester United not Chester.

I think that Blind is a much better footballer than OShea ever was. Also he's got a decent chance of making it as LB.
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Talent directly correlated with fees. Blind was sold after he won the Eridivisie POTY award for 16 million. I'd wager that if we sold O'Shea after the 2002-2003 season, we'd get a similar amount of money (adjusted for inflation of course).

Oh yeah, and Otamendi, if comparison with Ayala is true, I'd love him here. Ayala was one of my favorite players.
 
O'Shea was the victim of having a great breakthrough season and the expectations that come with it, but he never really developed into the player we were hoping he'd become. He was a very useful utility player though.
 
reelworld said:
Talent directly correlated with fees.
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Not really otherwise Tevez would have cost at least 6 times what he costed Juventus and Bale only half of his price. The prices on the transfer market are totally subjective and contextual.
 
JPRouve said:
Not really otherwise Tevez would have cost at least 6 times what he costed Juventus and Bale only half of his price. The prices on the transfer market are totally subjective and contextual.
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True, but it can be some indicator of how talented a player is, especially on players on the lower ranks than Tevez and Bale. For example, no club in their right mind would pay 20 million for Scott Dann.
 
SonnyTheHaloPro said:
If we are going to pay 50million for a CB then surely he has to be a 50million upgrade and what we already have? This is a massive premium for a guy who has just emerged into the upper bracket this season.
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He's clearly on the next level to Smalling and that means miles above the rest we have
 
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