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Nicolas Gaitan
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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Now boys, don't you forget to thank your Uncle Jorge for this year's Christmas present.
So we are signing this fella then? Which technically means no Götze or Hazard!
His agent has confirm we've been talking to Benfica.
United 'have held Gaitan talks' | Manchester United News, Fixtures, Results, Transfers | Sky Sports
United 'have held Gaitan talks' | Manchester United News, Fixtures, Results, Transfers | Sky Sports
I don't recall being blown away by him over the 2 games. Anyone else? Have I subconsciously blocked it out?
Thats exactly why I have been saying £30m is way too much for him. I wish we could see what Fergie and his staff see in him.
Maybe £30m is just tabloid talks, because it's close to the release clause. I reckon it'll be between £15m-£25m . Who knows. Who cares.
I trust them.
I wonder how much Mendez has trousered out of those deals. Every one of them (even Ronaldo) seemed to be considerably more money than they were worth at the time
Exactly.
The only question should be 'will be improve the squad?' If the answer is 'yes', why anybody gives a feck how much he costs is beyond me.
Answer me then, you turd. You watched the games, too. What did you think?
I don't recall being overly impressed, but that doesn't mean an awful lot for two reasons:
1. my memory is generally shit, and I wouldn't have been concentrating that much on opposition players and,
2. two games in isolation mean very little
1. my memory is generally shit, and I wouldn't have been concentrating that much on opposition players and,
2. two games in isolation mean very little
I remember the commentators saying he did well in the first game but I didn't take much notice of the Benfica players, which was also the case in the second leg at Old Trafford. I remember two good passes that he played and that's about it.
Do you not trust the manager? How much of this Gaitan fella have you seen?
Yes, this, remember it as well, and I even remember the Noggie-commentary talking about how we'd been linked to him a lot already then. Didn't pay much attention to him either way, don't even know what he looks like.
No idea how good he is, but excited at the prospect of having the type of player he seems to be described as in our squad, as it would really give us another dimension. Confident that SAF and the crew will get it right!
Don't seem to remember him but he could be a Carrick-type player which means you won't appreciate his skill until you watch him live.
30 is far too high for him though. Players out of Portugal are always overpriced though. Bebe we're still looking at you brother...
30 is far too high for him though. Players out of Portugal are always overpriced though. Bebe we're still looking at you brother...
I will start to lose hope in SAF and his transfer policy if we buy this buy. He will bring nothing to what we don't already have. Whatever he does, Morrison can do. Give the kids a chance SAF. give them a chance, let them play!
Need to write SAF one of those RAWKish letters.
Need to write SAF one of those RAWKish letters.
Signing him does not really make sense even if it means him operating as a playmaker on the left flank. He would make Valencia or Young a redundancy and we would still be short in quality in central midfield.
I'm really starting to warm to this transfer, maybe it is the muppet inside me, but if we honestly get a Silva/Mata style player out of Gaitain, then I really don't think our CM are too bad at all to cope with other CM responsibilities.
Two things about the position(s) Gaitan may or may not play
1) Our midfield/attack is very fluid. Our wingers don't stick to one side and pop up in central positions. A lot of the new forward players coming to the Premiership are floating forwards who don't have a set position (Silva etc), so we shouldn't panic if Gaitan happens to be playing most of his football on the left wing right now.
2) People, even now, have a difficult time defining what's missing from our team. Is it creativity, a bit of bollocks, defensive nous? Whichever player we sign next is going to be seen as "the solution to the one glaring problem we've had for ages", and similarly whoever we sign next will be analyzed for the qualities they are missing as much as the qualities they have.
1) Our midfield/attack is very fluid. Our wingers don't stick to one side and pop up in central positions. A lot of the new forward players coming to the Premiership are floating forwards who don't have a set position (Silva etc), so we shouldn't panic if Gaitan happens to be playing most of his football on the left wing right now.
2) People, even now, have a difficult time defining what's missing from our team. Is it creativity, a bit of bollocks, defensive nous? Whichever player we sign next is going to be seen as "the solution to the one glaring problem we've had for ages", and similarly whoever we sign next will be analyzed for the qualities they are missing as much as the qualities they have.
He played well against us in both games i thought. The first game he played that pass to Cardozo which led to the goal they scored. The pass was something else
Transfer fees is just the tip of the iceberg. That extra 5m is around a 6 month salary of a 200k a week player. The problem is the salary so if Gaitan accepts lets say 80k instead of 180k (Nasri's rumored salary) then he's still worth it, whether the fee is 15m, 20m or 30m.
We were saying the same kind of thing back in '06 when we signed Evra despite the fact we already had Heinze there, and despite the fact we needed another centre mid to replace Keane. We don't possess the foresight Sir Alex does.
Very well put, something I have been giving a lot of thought to in the last few days, especially when watching the City-Arse game, it really made me think how good it was that we didn't sign Nasri and how upset everybody would be because he wouldn't solve the 'glaring problem' imo.
I rarely would pay much notice to the performance of opposition players against us, but i was particularly impressed with Gaitan after the first match. Presumably thats also when he caught the eye of our backroom team who have likely been doing extensive research and scouting ever since.
A lot of you should have a bit more faith. If we've identified this guy as the player to put a bit of spark into our midfield and are willing to blow 30 odd million on him you can bet your bottom dollar that he's the real deal!
A lot of you should have a bit more faith. If we've identified this guy as the player to put a bit of spark into our midfield and are willing to blow 30 odd million on him you can bet your bottom dollar that he's the real deal!
Looks like the guy from Jeepers Creepers, therefore, I have my cock out.
I really would be interested to know just how much games against us contribute to our thinking when scouting/signing a player. Ronaldo is the most famous example of a player signed after playing well against us, but since then Fergie has suggested we knew all about him for a while; either way, United wanted to get the deal before they left the Stadio Alvalade that night. Loads of players have had good games against us in the past of course, but I wonder if Fergie is particularly taken with players who show they can play against United (remember him talking about Gazza (not me) schooling Robbo and Remi Moses and being convinced that he must sign for United).
One of the stories today reckons that we've been watching him since last season. At least it means that we should be pretty sure he's a good player, or going to be very good. Hence the price.
I think it all depends.
I can think of so many players that we've signed after having really good performances against us. The example most recently is Phil Jones who caught the eye against us twice last season. After the 7-1 thrashing at Old Trafford Fergie praised Jones for the way he continued working his ass off right to the end and berating more experienced players for switching off during the game. You can guarantee after that game that Fergie would have been on the phone to every contact he had in the North West and then to Allardyce when he left the club. He'd have been finding out not just what he was like as a player but with just as much emphasis on what he's like as a person.
Berbatovs another example. I remember him having a great game against us at OT. I remember a nonchalant effort where he caught the ball out of the sky on his toe and with one swivel and shot hit the bar i think. Its probably moments like that where Fergie might have thought he had a Cantona type player, someone who could totally revel in an arena the scale of old trafford. Tevez last day of the season saving West Ham at OT also displayed all the characteristics he seems to want in a signing. You can also guarantee he made his mind up on Hargreaves whilst playing like a man possessed for England against Portugal in the 2006 World Cup.
Another type of signing he goes for is proven premiership players. Guys like Valencia, Young, Carrick, Berg and Yorke he will have seen for many years performing to a high level in the league so he'll know fully well their qualities and can sign them with very low risk attached.
I think it helps when he sees a player in the flesh but i think also he's not afraid to take the word of his scouts or trustee assistants. Didnt he sign Bebe without even seeing him. Nani, Anderson and Ronaldo recommendations by Queiroz. Rafael and Fabio spotted by the brilliant Les Kershaw. Then you've the likes of Rio or Rooney that it doesnt take a genius to know would improve us.
If we hadnt had our eye on Gaitan before the match against us, we certainly would have had straightafter. In his case coming from a different league i'm sure there'd be a couple of months building up a portfolio on him, so anyone fretting on us signing him only for his performances in 2 matches can rest assured. The amount of time we've been waiting on us to sign this type of midfielder you can be certain he's pretty special if we end up signing him.
Yeah, wouldnt be surprised. We seem to have the Portugese league well covered with scouts. His performances against us might then have been the clincher.
The lad has a great left foot. Giggs replacement?
I'm not sure there's much substance to the story. United usually get the agent, club and the player to agree complete secrecy during negotiations.
I'm not sure there's much substance to the story. United usually get the agent, club and the player to agree complete secrecy during negotiations.
We should get ourself a Dutch version of Mendes.
Big fee but that's the going rate these days, Benfica managed to get £27 million from Real for Coentrao and David Luiz earned them a similar amount so 29-30 million for a attacking midfielder isn't too bad. I guess Gaitan is Giggs replacement like Sults said. Ashley Young is a lot of things but not left footed like Giggsy and Gaitan.
And spend a few millions on a unknown Dutch third division player so the Dutch Mendes can get the majority of that transfer fee so he doesn't talk one of his star clients(Nani) into moving which would mean he would get 10% of the Nani transfer fee?
Of course in public it was said that Bebe was recommended to Fergie by Carlos Queiroz. Queiroz agent also by coincedence happens to be Jorge Mendes.
Also the hold up in the De Gea transfer was said to be Jorge Mendes wanting a cut of the transfer fee. Mendes is a big help to United but he sometimes has too much power over his clients which United has noticed by now.
This has been mentioned but the De Gea deal was a completely well known secret.
Good post. By the way I was at that Spurs match at OT and you picked out the one moment that made me really interested in Berbatov as a player.
Is it just me or does he remind anyone else of Modric?
Had a look through his YouTube videos and I found this little gem. Unbelievable goals including a Van Persie-esque volley towards the end. He's got awesome technique in his shooting. Some nice dribbles in there too.
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