Nicolas Gaitan

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How many established WC Midfielders are those which United can sign?

Fabregas, Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Silva, Sneijder?

I think we must accept that United never has and never will sign any established world class players.

Silva could have been bought but we stirred away from it. Same as Sneijder and Nasri. I repeat, its not my intention to criticize the management in here but to merely say what, in my opinion is, the major stumbling block for United on this particular issue.

I agree with your final part. On the other hand things are getting more difficult lately. Agents are complicating things up and we're not the top of the pack in the EPL anymore(in terms of salary). Shitty and Chelsea can pay more then we do.
 
How many established WC Midfielders are those which United can sign?

Fabregas, Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Silva, Sneijder?

I think we must accept that United never has and never will sign any established world class players.

We have done. It hasn't worked, though. Veron, for example.
 
I really would like to be a top red like you but you never allowed me to be part of your elite group. You're such a snob. In matter of fact you hardly reply to my friendly greetings. At least, in a decent way.

Why am I a top red?

What elite group are you on about?

Your "friendly greetings" are the work of a retard.
 
Transfer fees have gone through the roof.
Its not that long ago when only the top went for anywhere near 30m.
Now every kid with potential has a 30m price tag :/

It's madness, and it's a kind of madness which I hope United could avoid being part of.

Pay top dollar for the top talent, such as Rooney and Rio, but find other solutions for other type of players.
 
We have done. It hasn't worked, though. Veron, for example.

Veron is a unique case though. He wanted to flee from Italy (the passport scandal) and we were at the right time at the right place.
 
How does that alter what I just said?

It does. JSV was desperate to leave Italy as the passport case could ruin his career. You won't find many estabilished players under such circumstances.

Under normal circumstances I reckon that it would have been easier to lure Sneijder at United last summer then JSV.
 
I repeat, how does that alter what I said? Here it is again:

You mentioned Veron and you're right on that. However if you go in the details you'll notice the reasons why (in my opinion) we managed to sign him up.
 
United doesn't (with one or two exceptions) buy stars, we make 'em.

It's part of the tradition and heritage of the club.

A proud one too.

Why do people change that?
 
Transfer fees have gone through the roof.
Its not that long ago when only the top went for anywhere near 30m.
Now every kid with potential has a 30m price tag :/

I was making this point the other day, in the past we have been able to still work effectively while ignoring the overpriced top established players, because we rarely sign them anyway.

But now we are finding this madness is now seeping into the 'potential' market, which is our bread and butter. I feel this is why we have so far been unable to strengthen the midfield as soon as we would have liked.

Bargains are becoming ever harder to find, due to the fees and wages chairman and players are now demanding due to the precedents set by the likes of City and Madrid. It is not impossible, but it is certainly getting increasingly diificult to find players with the necessary quality for prices below the ridiculous.
 
People seem to quickly forget we got a certain Mexican on the cheap, bargains are still out there.
 
Is Gaitan Di Maria's replacement or did they play together? Just wondering like...
 
People seem to quickly forget we got a certain Mexican on the cheap, bargains are still out there.

I've not forgot him Kid, but my point is that type of business is becoming more of a risk than ever before. Hernandez is one bargain that paid off, shall i counter that for you with Bebe, Diouf, Obertan. 4 punts, 1 success.

It's all relative of course, but it is undenaible that now it will cost at least £20m for anybody of any quality or potential. Prices are now becoming inflated at every level not just at the top, that is my point.


If you want undeniable quality or potential, then the big bucks have to be paid. Goetze will cost a fortune and will expect to be paid a fortune, because if we don't pay it City will. I am not saying we should, only that it is now getting harder to find players who are available at prices we are Willing or able to pay.

There are simply less unknowns than there were before, because of City's ott spending. Chairman are more than happy to use the media to create a bidding war to drive prices up. How else do you explain that a club like ours is finding it so difficult to find the quality of player we want, at the prices we are willing to pay?
 
Article says he can eventually play centrally? If we buy him to play as a winger is that really needed right now? In 30m we could get a quality central midfielder and it's not like we're lacking in wingers.
 
Agreed, we've to pay the top dollar now if you want the big player's.

We'll spend as appropriate, hopefully. And I suppose for every Evra, Vidic, Ronaldo, Chicharito, who all tripled in value after we bought them there has been the Bebe's, Obertan's etc.

It's got to the stage now though that I don't care how much a player costs once he's good enough. We need strengthening.
 
Article says he can eventually play centrally? If we buy him to play as a winger is that really needed right now? In 30m we could get a quality central midfielder and it's not like we're lacking in wingers.

Article claimed he is not central now only because Aimar is playing there, his contract runs out next year, so Gaitan will move central if he is still there is the premise.
 
Article says he can eventually play centrally? If we buy him to play as a winger is that really needed right now? In 30m we could get a quality central midfielder and it's not like we're lacking in wingers.

Do you have anyone in mind?
 
I can't really believe that the press are talking about Gaitan at 30m Euros and then suggesting a valuation on Ozil, as a Liverpool target, of £18m. What am I missing here?
Apart from Ozil not being for sale of course.
 
I can't really believe that the press are talking about Gaitan at 30m Euros and then suggesting a valuation on Ozil, as a Liverpool target, of £18m. What am I missing here?
Apart from Ozil not being for sale of course.

Benfica have set the price for Gaitan apparently, whereas Ozil's valuation will be absolute guesswork by the paper responsible for the speculation, i would imagine.
 
I can't really believe that the press are talking about Gaitan at 30m Euros and then suggesting a valuation on Ozil, as a Liverpool target, of £18m. What am I missing here?
Apart from Ozil not being for sale of course.

British papers must think it's the annual Real Madrid yard sale again
 
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The agent Jorge Mendes has cemented his position as a major driver of Manchester United's transfer business by brokering the deal which is likely to see Benfica's Argentinian midfielder Nicolas Gaitan sign for Sir Alex Ferguson at a price of €35m (£29.3m) next summer.

Mendes, who has delivered Cristiano Ronaldo, Nani, Anderson, David de Gea and Bebe :nervous: to Old Trafford in the past eight years, is a respected figure at Old Trafford and helped secure the informal agreement which, the Independent on Sunday revealed, should make Gaitan a United player next June. Benfica did not deny the story yesterday.

The negotiating process has been complicated by a €45m (£37.7m) release clause, which United had categorically refused to meet, written into a new contract signed by the 23-year-old in October. Gaitan is also one of a number of players at the Portuguese club who are effectively only part-owned by Benfica, a proportion of their economic rights having been sold to the Benfica Stars Fund, a football investment fund set up in 2009 to raise short-term money for the club. Around 15 per cent of any transfer fee for Gaitan – around £5.25m – would have to be paid into the fund upon completion of the proposed move to Manchester.

Benfica's requirement to pay Boca Juniors 20 per cent of the final transfer fee – probably £7m – under the terms of the deal by which they signed him in May 2010, also explains the Portuguese side's firm negotiating stance. But after United's scouting efforts left them satisfied Gaitan could play a major part for them, Mendes has helped find a way through the complications. Gaitan's agent is Rafael Irribarren, though Mendes also concluded the deal which delivered Gaitan to Lisbon, 18 months ago. It remains to be seen what will happen if another club comes in with a far higher offer this summer.

While no firm contractual agreement has been reached between the clubs, The Independent understands that the loosely agreed deal could potentially see United paying up to €40m (£33.5m) if Gaitan has a particularly prolific second half to the season. The final fee will be contingent on the player's appearances and performances. Sources in Portugal say that United's own performances in domestic and European competition may also affect the final figure.

United's agreement with Benfica does not appear to involve a move for Gaitan's fellow midfielder Javi Garcia, who also impressed in this autumn's fixtures against United in the Champions League. This newspaper revealed earlier this month that United had asked Benfica to notify them of any moves from other clubs for both Garcia and Gaitan, who is also understood to have been the subject of interest from Valencia. United scouts watched both players at Benfica's recent matches against Naval and Sporting Lisbon – specifically to develop a clearer picture on them, rather than to prepare for United's encounter with Benfica on 22 November, in which both played.

Though Gaitan's services would be of immediate value to Ferguson, Benfica fans would respond fiercely to any sale in January. Many of them still blame the club's board for ceding the title back to Porto last season, having sold Angel di Maria to Real Madrid and David Luiz to Chelsea within six months of taking their first championship in five years. Benfica and arch-rivals Porto are again neck and neck at the top.

Third-party ownership arrangements are rare in Portugal, though Luiz fell into the same category as Gaitan in January, when £6.4m had to be paid into the Benfica Stars fund. Benfica's brinkmanship made that transfer complicated, though United's informal agreement may smooth progress this time around.

£30m Gaitan on way to United - Transfers - Football - The Independent
 
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