Probably because Hazard is 3 years younger, plays in a stronger league and has stood out as a potential world class player since he was very young. I have no doubt in my mind who the better player between them will be, no matter where they end up going, and it isn't Gaitan.
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Probably because Hazard is 3 years younger, plays in a stronger league and has stood out as a potential world class player since he was very young. I have no doubt in my mind who the better player between them will be, no matter where they end up going, and it isn't Gaitan.
Not really a myth though is it?he clearly isn't as good on the left as the right.
How was Javi Garcia? I know we've been linked with him as well, I've never been impressed though. He seems very limited from what I've seen.
Yes.
I watched him closely tonight and he wasn't great to be honest. He provides a good physical presence and reads the game well but lacks mobility and his distribution is pretty average. I can see why he's quite often filled in at centre back for them. He wouldn't be a bad option and would be much better than signing nobody at all (!) as competition/cover for Carrick but we can and should do better based on his performance last night. I'll watch him again in the second leg.
Yeah that's pretty much how I remembered him from when we played them. Like you said he would be decent cover for Carrick, but I think we should be aiming higher than that. Someone that could possibly compliment Carrick as well as replace him if he is injured would be ideal, for me at least.
He isn't as good on the left as he is on the right, but that doesn't mean he is shite on the left. He is still clearly a very good winger on the left side, whereas on the right he is a world class winger. The myth is that he is shite on the left because most of his best games came on the right side.
I agree but if that player isn't out there/available then we still have to do something. We can't just pretty much write off another Champions League campaign and progress in cup competitions due to only having one defensively capable central midfield player in our entire squad. I don't want to hear from Gill and Fergie again that there are only 2 or 3 midfield players in the world who could improve the team/squad. That would be absolutely ludicrous.
He seems to hate crossing with his left, and it's too easy for the defender to guess he's coming inside. On the right he's just as dangerous with the cross as he is with his left footed shot.
Funnily he seems to score much less from the left cutting in on his preferred right foot than he does from the right cutting in on his left.
Javi Martinez would be perfect for us IMO. He could play with Carrick if we want to be more defensive, he could cover for Carrick and he'd be able to cover in defence as well. I'd much rather we spend £25 million on him as it'll be money well spent and he fits the policy of signing young players with potential. I agree we need to address the midfield and it would be nonsense of we get the no value/options speech again.
I'd have said his best performance this season was against Chelsea, his best performance last season was against Fulham and his best performance in 09/10 was against Bayern, all on the left wing. He's not as prolific a crosser from the left but he's much more influential in the build-up, and even from the right wing now he's more interested in coming inside than going on the outside and whipping the ball in and he drifts right across the pitch.
Not sure he is worth 30-40 mil that is being mentioned.
Not that impressed really.
Not that impressed really.
Agree with your point overall. But didn't Nani play on the right against Chelsea this season?
Right enough! Guess I just remembered that run when he hit the bar coming off the left wing and just assumed that's where he was playing.
I have never seen him play, but we cant write him or any other player off just because he's not a world class performer yet. Some players only step up when they are surrounded by better players. Lets be honest, who thought Valencia would become the player he is today?
And receive a Manchester United education.
Ability isn't the problem here, it's the fact that we absolutely don't need this player while there are other areas that could clearly use reinforcement.
Not sure where he played but he scored a goal drifting inside from the right, so perhaps he did play on the right with Young on the left.
We've heard this so many times, only for the written off player to turn out better or the 'potential world class' player completely fail when put in bigger and better leagues. There's nothing guaranteed with Hazard at this point.
Javi Martinez please.
I think he looked good, he would thrive in a 3 men CM, but then again buying a more defensive profil is more important.
This. The Arsenal is such a game that stands out like a sore thumb, he had the beating of Djourou time and time again that day and yet he never crossed it and if he did it was always pretty poor. No surprise that the minute Giggs got out there though we got good delivery and scored.
It is surprising that Nani doesn't score more when he's on the left given he's cutting in on his stronger foot but alas he doesn't.
I remember the Fulham game you mention but was that really his best game last season? He had many MOTM games up till January last season (the Fulham game ironically being one of his last good games once he was displaced by Valencia) and whilst I can't remember them all (Stoke at home stands out though) I'm not sure I'd agree that Fulham was out and out his best game.
As for the Bayern game the year before again it stands out but from what I remember another 2 of his best games that season was Arsenal away and Spurs at home both from the right.
But well the point is the price quoted.
No way should we pay that for Gaitan.
If he costs around 20 mil its fine.
If that worked all the time we wouldnt have this tread in the first place since the likes of bebe and the fat brazilian would have solved things up. Valencia hit the headlines as a strong traditional type of winger who is specialised in hugging the flank and deliver grt crosses. That is exactly what he does for us. Its not as if he turned into a new ronaldo once signing with us didnt he?
He played well against Chelsea in my opinion. Wouldn't pay any more than £20m for him though.
I'd imagine his fee would be between £22-25m (Di Maria cost €25)
Nice revisionism there. Lets face it, the reaction to us wanting to buy Valencia to replace Ronaldo was that of disbeilief. He was written off by most.
If we choose to go for Gaitan then we obviously think we can do something with him. Habit watched him quite a few times now I think he has all the tools to become a very good player. I could fully understand the interest if it is there.
Many thought that he was a step down from Ronaldo and guess what....that's exactly what he is. That doesn't mean that he's shit. He's fast, he's powerful and he's a great crosser of the ball.
Player may improve with us but I can hardly think of one player who turned from decent player to world class just because he played with us (or any other club for all that matters). The players who actually turned world class with us were those who had the talent to reach that level.
Valencia turned from a decent winger to a world class winger while with us. He was a Villarreal reject when we bought him, having only moved to Wigan a season or two back.
Vidic was never supposed to be this good while at Spartak and Evra was never spoken of as a best left back around.
You've probably not even seen Gaitan enough to judge his potential. He falls into the exact same bracket as Vidic, Evra etc., someone we're well aware of but we don't know how good exactly he can be.
Valencia did well with Wigan. We knew what we've going to get and he achieved it to the full. Vidic was unknown material for many of us (since we signed him from the Russian league) but his reputation preceded him. Evra was a renowned full back who happened to overstay in France due to his personal friendship with the Monaco royalty.
You're not getting my point. All these players fulfilled their talent with us which, in itself, is amazing, considering how many players have failed to live up to the expectations set. However, while I do acknowledge that players may improve with us, I have yet to see a Park turning into the new Ronaldo or a Philip Neville turning into the new Paulo Maldini. That's my point.
I am not judging Gaitan at all. My point is pretty much a general point and therefore it doesn't have anything to do with Gaitan at all. What I do know is that CM needs some really quality in it. Giggs/Scholes wont last forever.
Who expected Park to turn into a new Ronaldo or Neville to turn into a new Maldini?
You set yourself high standards of idiocy every new week, it's admirable.
Smalling also comes into this discussion, being an error prone to defender to a world class prospect here.
I saw something in in one game from Gaitan Tuesday night something that I haven't seen all season from Young & Nani - quality delivery consistently from the left from a player using his left foot. If the performance he put in against Chelsea was the norm and not a one off he'd improve us without a doubt.
I also see no reason why we shouldn't have 4 top quality wingers competing for 2 spots, after all Nani's injured at the moment, Young was laid off for a good couple of months and Valencia's had his injuries/poor form at the start of the season. All it would take at the moment would be an injury to Valencia while Nani's also out and we suddenly go from being fully stocked to wafer thin.
I also see no reason why we shouldn't have 4 top quality wingers competing for 2 spots, after all Nani's injured at the moment, Young was laid off for a good couple of months and Valencia's had his injuries/poor form at the start of the season. All it would take at the moment would be an injury to Valencia while Nani's also out and we suddenly go from being fully stocked to wafer thin.
Who expected Park to turn into a new Ronaldo or Neville to turn into a new Maldini?
You set yourself high standards of idiocy every new week, it's admirable.
And that's the type of twisting and turning posts I wanted to avoid.....Yepp and I expect Bebe to become the new Pele. Happy now?
I wanted to mention him but I never really saw his performances for Fulham. I know he only played for them three times before we signed him, and then about ten more games afterwards. It was a risk that paid off big time.
He was promising before the deal was agreed, yet as soon as he was, he seemed to make a mistake in every game.
That prompted the doom-merchants (those out in force to write-off DDG) to say we'd rushed to sign a flop.
What do you mean by this? Obviously you are right in a sense, but by the same token there are many player with the talent to be world class players but never make it. I just don't see the point you are trying to make here
I have no doubt we could do something with Gaitan. I will probably get laughed at for this, but sometimes his dribbling reminds me of Messi. There was one instance against Chelsea when he broke through the middle and skinned 3 or 4 players before being took out. I've seen it a few times from him. Here's an example:
In fact, my one criticism of him against Chelsea, which Gary Neville said too, was that he didn't get on the ball enough and run at them. This is something we would be able to get out of him I feel.
I don't think devilish is being particularly cryptic. He means that United is a good place for players to achieve their full potential, but the potential has to be there in the first place.
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