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charlenefan said:
The way I understand it is anyone who was 21 or younger at the start of January 2012 won't need to be registered for the 25 man squad next season so you can free up 6 places meaning the battle for squad places will only really be an issue domestically from 2013 onwards by which time it's quite conceivable that Scholes, Giggs, Berbatov and Park will all of left/retired
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Anyone born in 1990 or earlier will have to registered in next season's 25 man squad. You need to be 20 or younger by 01 January 2012 in order to be registered outside the main squad for 2012/13.

The following players all have to be registered in next season's Premier League 25 man squad:

De Gea, Lindegaard, Amos

Evra, Fabio, Rafael, Evans, Vidic, Ferdinand, Smalling

Valencia, Nani, Park, Young, Cleverley, Giggs, Scholes, Carrick, Anderson, Fletcher

Rooney, Welbeck, Hernandez, Berbatov


That's 24 players. Jones is young enough to be registered outside the main PL squad but significantly he would have to be named on the Champions League 25 man A list because you have to have been at a club for two years before being eligible for the B list. You could of course sign a player and then leave someone out of the CL squad but I'm not sure we'd be comfortable with that scenario, especially if the player in question wasn't unavailable long term with an injury/illness.

Owen, De Laet, Bebe and PIG would all have to be registered in both the PL and CL squads but I've excluded them because they don't have a realistic chance of making the squad.

Macheda and all of the other current reserves and academy players don't have to be registered in the main PL squad next season. There's the odd player like Veseli and a few of the foreign first year academy players who wouldn't be eligible for the CL B list but everyone else will be.
 
GCHQ said:
Anyone born in 1990 or earlier will have to registered in next season's 25 man squad. You need to be 20 or younger by 01 January 2012 in order to be registered outside the main squad for 2012/13.

The following players all have to be registered in next season's Premier League 25 man squad:

De Gea, Lindegaard, Amos

Evra, Fabio, Rafael, Evans, Vidic, Ferdinand, Smalling

Valencia, Nani, Park, Young, Cleverley, Giggs, Scholes, Carrick, Anderson, Fletcher

Rooney, Welbeck, Hernandez, Berbatov


That's 24 players. Jones is young enough to be registered outside the main PL squad but significantly he would have to be named on the Champions League 25 man A list because you have to have been at a club for two years before being eligible for the B list. You could of course sign a player and then leave someone out of the CL squad but I'm not sure we'd be comfortable with that scenario, especially if the player in question wasn't unavailable long term with an injury/illness.

Owen, De Laet, Bebe and PIG would all have to be registered in both the PL and CL squads but I've excluded them because they don't have a realistic chance of making the squad.

Macheda and all of the other current reserves and academy players don't have to be registered in the main PL squad next season. There's the odd player like Veseli and a few of the foreign first year academy players who wouldn't be eligible for the CL B list but everyone else will be.
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There are many questions that needs to be answer and space were to manouver. For example

a) Is Berba going to remain at OT?
b) Do we need an over 21 yr old third choice keeper?
c) Will Fletch and Scholes remain at United?

Such decisions have the potential of freeing 4 places.
 
devilish said:
There are many questions that needs to be answer and space were to manouver. For example

a) Is Berba going to remain at OT?
b) Do we need an over 21 yr old third choice keeper?
c) Will Fletch and Scholes remain at United?

Such decisions have the potential of freeing 4 places.
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So like I said, someone or some players will have to leave.

a) Probably not.

b) We need A third choice keeper. Is Sam Johnstone ready to be third choice keeper next season with Amos going out on loan? I don't know.

c) With Scholes it really depends on how things go between now and the end of the season. If he maintains anything like the level that he's shown since he came out of retirement then he should stay. I can't see Fletcher retiring this Summer but there's obviously considerable doubt over his availability for next season. He could potentially be the one player that you'd include in the PL squad but leave out of the CL squad. That would open up a spot for a new signing without anyone having to leave the club.
 
We are not going to let go with two strikers and replace them with a midfielder. Fergie always like to have four strikers and that is how it will be next season as well. Either we keep Berbatov or we let him go and get a new striker.
 
RDCR07 said:
We are not going to let go with two strikers and replace them with a midfielder. Fergie always like to have four strikers and that is how it will be next season as well. Either we keep Berbatov or we let him go and get a new striker.
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I agree with that. So it's very likely that if a midfielder is signed then someone other than Berbatov would have to leave.

You'd have Macheda and Will Keane as possible options but I can't see Fergie moving either of them up to 4th in the pecking order for next season.
 
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I agree with that. So it's very likely that if a midfielder is signed then someone other than Berbatov would have to leave.

You'd have Macheda and Will Keane as possible options but I can't see Fergie moving either of them up to 4th in the pecking order for next season.
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They are no way close to being in the first team. I am not really sure about Macheda. I have my doubts over whether he will make it here or not. Will Keane is still young but I haven't seen too much of him to form an opinion.
 
GCHQ said:
Anyone born in 1990 or earlier will have to registered in next season's 25 man squad. You need to be 20 or younger by 01 January 2012 in order to be registered outside the main squad for 2012/13.
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Have they changed the rules then because that's not what the below says

New Premier League 25-man squad rules explained: What the new regulations mean for your club - News - MirrorFootball.co.uk

4) In addition to the 25-man named squad, clubs can use an unlimited number of players aged 21 or under.
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That clearly states it's 21 or younger so for someone like De Gea who was 21 as of the 1st January 2012 surely he wont need to be registered for next seasons squad 2012/2013? From what I've read if you're over 21 you need to be registered, if you're under 21 then you dont. Nothing about what the situation is if you are 21
 
I've bolded the official Premier League ruling from that article:

In addition to the 25-man named squad, clubs can use an unlimited number of players aged 21 or under. This means that Manchester City's new £22.5m striker Mario Balotelli, who is just 20, does not need to be named in their 25-man squad. According to the Premier League: "An Under 21 player is defined as one who is under the age of 21 on 1st January in the year in which the season commences. For the 2010/11 campaign Under 21 players will have been born on or after 1st January 1989."
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So for the 2012/13 season an under 21 player is defined as one who is under the age of 21 on 1st January in the year (2012) in which the season commences. They have to have been born on or after 1st January 1991. They can't be 21 years of age at the turn of the year.

Ok?
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
I can't see Owen staying
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It seems extremely unlikely. The only possible way that he stays is if Berbatov is sold and Fergie sees Owen as a fourth choice striker. Given that he's never fit on the few occasions that we could actually use him then it seems entirely pointless to keep him even though his salary is reportedly pretty low.
 
My mistake I didn't read it properly I didn't realise this was all in relation to last season so as De Gea was born in November 1990 he's only a few months out from not having to be registered for next season correct?

This really hampers squads then doesn't it because it almost encourages you not to buy players who are 21/22 who are still what I consider inexperienced and buy players who are aged nearer 25/26.
 
charlenefan said:
My mistake I didn't read it properly I didn't realise this was all in relation to last season so as De Gea was born in November 1990 he's only a few months out from not having to be registered for next season correct?

This really hampers squads then doesn't it because it almost encourages you not to buy players who are 21/22 who are still what I consider inexperienced and buy players who are aged nearer 25/26.
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Yes to the first question. De Gea misses out by a few months.

I'm not sure I agree with your second point really. In the long term you're still going to get more ''production'' and value out of a very good 21/22 year old than you are out of a very good 25/26 year old.

To be honest the 25 man limit really shouldn't be a big issue for clubs. Once you include the 2 or 3 talented youngsters which most clubs have on their books at any given time then surely a squad of 27/28 players is more than enough even for a club involved in several competitions?

I brought up the issue of next season's squad limit to enforce my point that someone will defintely be leaving the club if a new signing is made. I happen to think that someone would have left even if the squad limits weren't in place because there simply wouldn't be enough playing time to share around.
 
GCHQ said:
It seems extremely unlikely. The only possible way that he stays is if Berbatov is sold and Fergie sees Owen as a fourth choice striker. Given that he's never fit on the few occasions that we could actually use him then it seems entirely pointless to keep him even though his salary is reportedly pretty low.
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Indeed. I believe Berba is staying. I heard a rumour that United automatically activated his extension clause late last month.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Indeed. I believe Berba is staying. I heard a rumour that United automatically activated his extension clause late last month.
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Are U sure about that? I thought the old man mentioned in december that he will take a decision about Berba's contract situation at the end of the season. And regarding a new winger I don't think we need him as long Nani stay's. We need a miiiiiiiiiiiiiiidfielder or that Pogba signs his fecking contract. Btw feck Pogba's agent - Mino Raiola - he's a money grabbing whore who sell's his own mother if the price is right.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Indeed. I believe Berba is staying. I heard a rumour that United automatically activated his extension clause late last month.
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Will we let him run his contract down until the very last month or it and let him go for free though? Wouldn't it make more sense to extend his deal and then sell him in the Summer for £10m or something, simultaneously keeping £4m or whatever he earns per year? Nothing regarding Berbatov makes sense though. We played him regularly when he was consistently poor, stopped playing him when he finally got some form, didn't sell him when we could've got circa £20m and have barely played him since then.
 
The risk you run, Sarni, is that you extend his deal and then fail to sell him. Maybe because no one comes in for him or no one will pay high enough wages to convince Berbatov to join them. Or mayb he just won't want to leave. Then you end up with him taking a squad place and a big pay packet, possibly blocking us from making a signing.

My theory has been that we're bluffing and will let him go at the end of the season, for free. The only way I can see us keeping him is by entering negotiations and signing a new deal for lesser wages. With Macheda's career stalling again at QPR, we'll actually need an extra striker to Rooney, Hernandez and Welbeck, but I'm not sure Berbatov would be willing to be that fourth wheel for another year.
 
Amir said:
The risk you run, Sarni, is that you extend his deal and then fail to sell him. Maybe because no one comes in for him or no one will pay high enough wages to convince Berbatov to join them. Or mayb he just won't want to leave. Then you end up with him taking a squad place and a big pay packet, possibly blocking us from making a signing.

My theory has been that we're bluffing and will let him go at the end of the season, for free. The only way I can see us keeping him is by entering negotiations and signing a new deal for lesser wages. With Macheda's career stalling again at QPR, we'll actually need an extra striker to Rooney, Hernandez and Welbeck, but I'm not sure Berbatov would be willing to be that fourth wheel for another year.
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Can't really see the point of the bluff though, What purpose would it serve?

As far as i am aware the option to extend his contract does not kick in till march, though i may be wrong. Surely Berba and his agent will know by now what the club's intentions are.

It would be interesting to know whether the option we have to extend his contract is only applicable on the same terms, or whether the terms can be renegotiated ?

Truly baffling scenario, seems like a totally pointless enterprise for both parties really, neither seems to have gained any benefit from their association with the other this season. If anything the opposite seems true, the venture is just one big negative for all concerned. We have a player we do not play, and the player has a club who don't pick him.

I just don't see the point of it at all. :confused:
 
Owen, Kuzcszak, De Laet and Bebe will all be gone surely.

After that there are many possibilities. Scholes might well re-retire, Fletch is still a bit of a doubt sadly, and Berbatov is clearly not being played enough for a player of his class. It would be a shame if that was the reason he left, but he might go.
 
We had scouts watching him again tonight by all accounts. He scored as well.

Seems we're undecided over him and Hazard
 
charlenefan said:
We had scouts watching him again tonight by all accounts. He scored as well.

Seems we're undecided over him and Hazard
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Both? I can see Park leaving and his "defensive winger" role is very much covered by Valencia anyway. We have three wingers left then in Valencia, Young and Nani. Not much for a club that loves its wingers and Hazard could play at the point of a three man midfield a la Silva... Definitley room for them in the squad (I'm talking rotationally, GCHQ, we can make room physically!), especially when you look at injuries.
 
Can you imagine if we signed both Gaitan and Hazard.... the caf would impload under the strain of it's own ejaculation
 
Looking forward to seeing what this lad can do against Chelsea. I'm quite confident that we are in for him as he ticks all the boxes, uses our favourite agent and looks a good player. The strongest link we've had so far for this summer and at the time I thought t was another Ashley Young/Valencia where you could tell it would happen.
 
charlenefan said:
Can you imagine if we signed both Gaitan and Hazard.... the caf would impload under the strain of it's own ejaculation
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they aren't any better than Nani/Valencia are they?

not that I've seen anyway - I'm worried about Nani's future with all the winger speculation - the hope is that we possibly see one as an attacking midfielder

If you take Ronaldo/Messi out of the equation Valencia has been the best wide player in Europe this year IMO (robben and ribery looking good lately though)

consistently brilliant and very rarely below 8/9 out of 10
 
I am still confused about the whole Gaitan business. 83 games for Benfica 13 goals and 22 assists is hardly the CV of a 35 million player. I guess it all depends on the fee.

Assuming that no one left the club then we would have four top level wingers. Most of us agree that we need at least one central midfielder and if Berbatov leaves then a 4th choice striker, that would cost 60m plus.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
I am still confused about the whole Gaitan business. 83 games for Benfica 13 goals and 22 assists is hardly the CV of a 35 million player. I guess it all depends on the fee.

Assuming that no one left the club then we would have four top level wingers. Most of us agree that we need at least one central midfielder and if Berbatov leaves then a 4th choice striker, that would cost 60m plus.
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I agree

I can only see this happening if Fergie sees someone like Gaitan as someone he can play behind a main striker with Berbatov apparently leaving

I also wonder what the stance of the club will be if Fletcher hasn't made much of a recovery - will we be in the market for another midfielder?
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
I am still confused about the whole Gaitan business. 83 games for Benfica 13 goals and 22 assists is hardly the CV of a 35 million player. I guess it all depends on the fee.

Assuming that no one left the club then we would have four top level wingers. Most of us agree that we need at least one central midfielder and if Berbatov leaves then a 4th choice striker, that would cost 60m plus.
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There's no need to replace a striker who doesn't even get onto the bench for Europa League games. Perhaps Owen will stay if Berbatov leaves but I can't see any other strikers coming in unless Rooney, Welbeck or Hernandez leave.
 
kietotheworld said:
There's no need to replace a striker who doesn't even get onto the bench for Europa League games. Perhaps Owen will stay if Berbatov leaves but I can't see any other strikers coming in unless Rooney, Welbeck or Hernandez leave.
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How about replacing the player that has made 16 apps, scored 8 and assisted 2.

That's Berbatov by the way.

I guess Will Keane could be promoted or that we will be in the market for either a young prospect or an ageing star capable of 'doing a job'.
 
Hellboy said:
Welbeck has already replaced Berbatov. He will wear the #9 next season, mark my words.
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SAF likes to have four first team strikers, end of. Owen isn't going to play regularly ever again, so who will take up slot no. 4?
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
SAF likes to have four first team strikers, end of. Owen isn't going to play regularly ever again, so who will take up slot no. 4?
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Will Keane looks like a good prospect. Maybe Macheda will be given a last chance. It would be stupid to buy an expensive striker. We have the firepower but we need some steel and flair in midfield and defense.
 
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