so...you missed the 2 games this season where they played against us?
Nicolas Gaitan
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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so...you missed the 2 games this season where they played against us?
Is Jorge Mendes his agent?
I was merely responding to your naive view that Nani couldn't possibly leave the club this Summer. I put forward a perfectly reasonable scenario that could lead to his possible departure this Summer.
This is the transfer forum after all. If you're looking for hard facts and no speculation then this probably isn't the place for you.
Wait....that report has absolutely no quotes and is making out like he is signed. Pretty much a joke of an article.
There seems to be a informal agreement much like the De Gea transfer. That's my understanding of the situation right now.
Edit: And just for clarification, what I'm basing this on is simply what everyone else is writing. In other words there's a pretty good chance it's all bollocks.
Edit: And just for clarification, what I'm basing this on is simply what everyone else is writing. In other words there's a pretty good chance it's all bollocks.
Yea I understand. Still its almost impossible to tell if there is any agreement in place. It isn't really in the interests of either club to announce anything at this stage of the season. The only thing I feel is that it seems like a massive transfer fee for someone who hasn't played in one of the top leagues and is relatively unproven. The only players we have spent around 30 million on are ones with huge reputations such as Rio, Rooney, Berba and Veron.
The transfer seems pretty risky at anywhere near the fee being reported. Of course I'm sure the scouting team knows better than me anyway so I suppose of he is the real deal then it may be one of those where we need to react fast or risk loosing out. Would be interesting to hear from anyone who has watched the lad more than one or two occasions.
His mind is already at United. I'm sure you can remember how things went for Chris Smalling after he'd agreed to join United, he was awful for the rest if the season at Fulham.
Tonights poor performance confirms he's United bound. I'm sold anyway.
Howard Nurse has just reported that he's on his way to United, looks like there's no chance of a deal. Unlucky, Gaitards.
No not at all, I'm all for reading baseless rumour. I liked the way you built an entirely fictional scenario with Nani turning down contracts and staying an extra season after previously asking to leave. Was interesting reading what Nani maybe did/might do/could have said/probably didnt do and how that means that he could/will/might/won't leave this summer.
Edit: ps, for what it's worth, I never even said Nani wouldn't leave this summer, I asked why United would get rid of a tried and tested, quality player to sign an untested one for a similar fee. Unless you think selling Nani for £30 million or so, and signing Gaitan for more makes sense, then I'm sure you agree?
It's the transfer forum, not a creative writing workshop.
Yeah but they are both so much better than him. They made such a huge impact in Spain. This lad is not even close to them.
If it means we have to sell either Nani or Valencia for us to get Gaitan, then he can feck off. I would rather have our two wingers.
For those who like this kind of thing....
How do you know that? Personally I haven't seen a single Portuguese league game, ever. Do you watch it regularly?
Well I think this Gaitan news means we should all put our creative hats on because somebody will be leaving if he joins us. There's nae question about that.
How do I know that? I followed Valencia quite a lot back when they had Villa, Silva and Mata playing for them. That was a good attack. And I have seen Gaitan play for Benfica a few times this season. And I can honestly say he is not as good as either of them.
Yes, but IF one of them wants to leave (Nani) then we have to sign a replacement. I think that scenario makes this seemingly serious interest in Gaitan much more understandable.
You keep saying someone is going to leave if he comes. Why? First of all he is not even here and second Scholes and Giggs ain't going to be playing for ever. Third given the injuries we suffered this season and how depleted our midfield was, it would be better if we had more options.
Again who the feck said one of them WANTS to leave? They are both vital for our team and they are enjoying their football and they are regulars. They are getting paid well and they are winning every year.
Balance and strength at 9? Needs to bulk up, will be shrugged off the ball easily in the Premier League etc.For those who like this kind of thing....
No not at all, I'm all for reading baseless rumour. I liked the way you built an entirely fictional scenario with Nani turning down contracts and staying an extra season after previously asking to leave. Was interesting reading what Nani maybe did/might do/could have said/probably didnt do and how that means that he could/will/might/won't leave this summer.
Edit: ps, for what it's worth, I never even said Nani wouldn't leave this summer, I asked why United would get rid of a tried and tested, quality player to sign an untested one for a similar fee. Unless you think selling Nani for £30 million or so, and signing Gaitan for more makes sense, then I'm sure you agree?
Well for starters I don't think we'd be signing Gaitan for a higher transfer fee than we receive for Nani. Gaitan fits the profile of a player we'd be looking to buy. I'm not sure who exactly you'd see as a realistic ''tried and tested, quality replacement'' for Nani.
But you're basing all this on Nani going somewhere, when there is absolutely no indication, from club or player, that this is the case.
And you're also basing it on if the assumption that if we sign Gaitan we have to sell someone, again, not necessarily so.
I'll stick with Nani thanks, which is what I think United will do too. I don't think he'll leave, i see no reason why he should.
I've already discussed at length the reasons why someone would leave if Gaitan is signed. I'm just trying to be pragmatic about this. I certainly don't want to see Nani or any of our other top players leaving the club but it's daft to think that it won't happen every now and again. Evra, for example, admitted that he gave very serious consideration to leaving United due to non-playing, non-financial, personal reasons.
Paul Scholes again... I think he will operate all along the front line. No one needs to leave Giggs hasn't got long left either.
Maybe we just haven't been impressed with Young and see no future for him in the side week in week out
It's insane to think Nani arguably our best player would be the one to make room for Gaitan
That's absolutely fine. We'll wait and see what happens.
PS. In reality the squad limits mean that someone in the squad definitely would have to make way for a new signing. And I'm not talking about Owen, PIG, De Laet or Bebe. Somebody useful would leave.
Really?
1- De Gea - 21
2- Lindegaard - 27
3- Amos - 21
4- Rafael - 21
5- Fabio - 21
6- Smalling - 22
7- Jones - 20
8- Evra - 30
9- Ferdinand - 33
10- Vidic - 30
11- Scholes - 37
12- Giggs - 38
13- Carrick - 30
14- Cleverley - 22
15- Nani - 25
16- Young - 26
17- Valencia - 26
18- Park - 31
19- Rooney - 26
20- Hernandez - 23
21- Welbeck - 21
22- Berbatov - 31
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23- Anderson - 23
24- Fletcher - 28
25- Evans - 24
Anderson, Evans and Fletcher were all current Manchester United players the last time I checked.
^ Anderson??
Also, I would imagine that a couple of those players won't be with us next season as well. We should have a couple of spots open, at least.
Also, I realize that Fletcher is out for this season, but don't you think that he will make every effort to come back?
EDIT: Didn't see GHCQ's post. Just read the list.
Also, I would imagine that a couple of those players won't be with us next season as well. We should have a couple of spots open, at least.
Also, I realize that Fletcher is out for this season, but don't you think that he will make every effort to come back?
EDIT: Didn't see GHCQ's post. Just read the list.
Anderson?
Knew there were bound to be players I'd forgot
Still clubs are allowed as many under 21 players as they want so currently the likes of Jones, Pogba & Fryers can be removed from that list
Certainly a possible departure although I'd like to think we'd replace him with a proper CM if he does leave. So if we want a new CM along with Gaitan then two players have to make way.
Knew there were bound to be players I'd forgot
Still clubs are allowed as many under 21 players as they want so currently the likes of Jones, Pogba & Fryers can be removed from that list
Pogba and Fryers can be for both the PL and CL. The trouble with Jones is that he has to be included in the 25 man squad for the Champions League. I suppose it's quite likely that one player would be unavailable for the group stages due to injury by the time it comes to name our squad on 1st September but I'm not sure we'd go into the season planning for that eventuality. We don't want to be like Chelsea who had to leave out their new £18m striker from their CL squad. If we ended up having to leave out a first team squad player who wasn't injured then you'd have to question why that player had remained at the club in the first place.
We have Carrick, Fletcher, Cleverley, Scholes(?), Gigge, and Pogba, as proper mid-fielders. I reckon if the rumours are correct then we'd play him in the Silva role.
If he's left footed it would make our interest a lot more sense.
So he'd pretty much be an alternative to where Rooney has played this season as well as being an option on either flank. He is left footed btw.
I think Red Cafe would suffer a meltdown on a scale never seen before if we sold Anderson without signing a proper CM as a replacement. You're right though, we might well have enough in terms of numbers there even if we didn't replace Anderson. A lot would depend on Fletcher making a full recovery and the progress of Cleverley and Pogba. I really want to see a young(ish) midfield player signed with Carrick's attributes to be honest. We can then let Cleverley (and possibly Pogba to a much lesser extent initially) develop along side Carrick or the new signing with Fletcher, Giggs and Scholes filling in when required.
Shall we be honest?
Not one person on this forum has a fecking clue if we will be signing him, if he is right or who will be leaving.
Not one person on this forum has a fecking clue if we will be signing him, if he is right or who will be leaving.
The way I understand it is anyone who was 21 or younger at the start of January 2012 won't need to be registered for the 25 man squad next season so you can free up 6 places meaning the battle for squad places will only really be an issue domestically from 2013 onwards by which time it's quite conceivable that Scholes, Giggs, Berbatov and Park will all of left/retired
We have a few players who are 21 and under. We don't have to register them so can make way for people who are over 21.
I love the way how muppets have just seen £39m as a release clause and have assumed United would pay that kind of money. Absurd, though I guess it is muppet country after all.
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