Neymar joins PSG on a five year deal

[serghei]

I hope he knows, he will not leave PSG easily.

PSG never sell their best players, so if he signs a 5 year contract he is there til he is 30.

He'll be one of the richest Brazilians in the world if he gets to 30 years old at PSG. Doubt he cares that much about everything else. Your actions define you, and Neymar surely set his priorities straight.

In the end this is preseason usual stuff. We'll see which is which once the ball is properly kicked.

 

[Minimalist]

I literally have no clue what da fuq is going on here. Will this or will this not be a £200m transfer? Or just a load of rich people playing games in the football world.

If it's Neymar getting money from PSG (or whoever) and he has paid the release clause, then I'm not sure it can be deemed a transfer between PSG and Barca.

 

[Acole9]

Nearly £200 million on one footballer is obscene. Ruining the game.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Are we taking from this that Barcelona believe that PSG are attempting to circumvent FFP rules to get this through and that is why they are passing the details on to UEFA?

UEFA say that they believe they have included in the FFP legislation means to outlaw all attempts at circumvention.

Could be interesting.

 

[ravi2]

Yeah I have to agree, it can only be a form of pettiness and frankly, immaturity regarding the matter.

It does seem like they're mortally offended that another club even dared to take one of their star players.

It makes sense; if you are used to bullying people, the first time you get it done back to you is going to be a shock to the system.

They should just take the money and reinvest as fast as they can and stop the whining. Neymar's head has already been turned and its best to end things gracefully at this point.

 

[serghei]

If it's Neymar getting money from PSG (or whoever) and he has paid the release clause, then I'm not sure it can be deemed a transfer between PSG and Barca.

The money Neymar paid is either straight from PSG or from PSG's owners through different channels. PSG, in one way or another, paid Neymar's release clause. That much is sure. Now it's time for Uefa to prove they aren't completely useless or corrupt, although these two aren't necessarily mutualy exclusive. Won't hold my breath though...

 

[711]

What is shady? A club can give the money to the player.

I know you're usually right on these things, so what I am missing? Top income tax in Spain is 45%, so if someone gave Neymar 222m euros wouldn't he have to pay 100m tax? So they would have to give him 300m+ euros for him to pay the 222m to Barca? Or would he be exempt from tax for some reason?

 

[Nick7]

Are we taking from this that Barcelona believe that PSG are attempting to circumvent FFP rules to get this through and that is why they are passing the details on to UEFA?

UEFA say that they believe they have included in the FFP legislation means to outlaw all attempts at circumvention.

Could be interesting.

No. They mean PSG just paid us a truck load of money we don't think they can afford and stay within FFP.

I know you're usually right on these things, so what I am missing? Top income tax in Spain is 45%, so if someone gave Neymar 222m euros wouldn't he have to pay 100m tax? So they would have to give him 300m+ euros for him to pay the 222m to Barca? Or would he be exempt from tax for some reason?

They changed those rules a few years back. Hence why we didn't pay £50m for Herrera.

 

[clarkydaz]

Barca is pissed because they are used to tapping up players and getting their own way.
They tried with Verratti and PSG threw it right back in their face and took their 2nd best player.

this is just glorious

 

[prtk0811]

The money Neymar paid is either straight from PSG or from PSG's owners through different channels. PSG, in one way or another, paid Neymar's release clause. That much is sure. Now it's time for Uefa to prove they aren't completely useless or corrupt, although these two aren't necessarily mutualy exclusive. Won't hold my breath though...

How will uefa prove that in this case. Both decisions will go against their image.

 

[Igor Drefljak]

I do find it funny, cause I'm so bored of Real and Barca as clubs who think they are better than everyone.... but Neymar, just choosing money over football in my opinion.

Shame/Joke really

 

[Random Task]

I literally have no clue what da fuq is going on here. Will this or will this not be a £200m transfer? Or just a load of rich people playing games in the football world.

No one has any idea what's going on, least of all Neymar or PSG. Fact is, regardless of the repercussions that may become a result of this, PSG are prepared to meet Neymar's buyout clause, thus Barca, La Liga, whoever can do very little to prevent it from happening.

Barca are clearly stalling in false hope.

 

[prtk0811]

I know you're usually right on these things, so what I am missing? Top income tax in Spain is 45%, so if someone gave Neymar 222m euros wouldn't he have to pay 100m tax? So they would have to give him 300m+ euros for him to pay the 222m to Barca? Or would he be exempt from tax for some reason?

I Had same doubts.

 

[Hisha]

 

[ravi2]

Pique comes out looking like a fool in this case imo

 

[Minimalist]

I do find it funny, cause I'm so bored of Real and Barca as clubs who think they are better than everyone.... but Neymar, just choosing money over football in my opinion.

Shame/Joke really

What footballer doesn't these days? PSG play in the CL every year (always beyond the group stages) and that's enough to justify moving to them for most players. The league being poor is subjective and it's nowhere near as bad a people make out.

 

[Woodzy]

While I think the way Barcelona and La Liga are acting is laugable, everything abut this transfer stinks and does seriously need t be looked at.

 

[serghei]

How will uefa prove that in this case. Both decisions will go against their image.

The harm is already done. Every club who has a talent on their hands will use this transfer as a reference point, no matter if that player is close or not to Neymar's level. Now, every attacker going under 100m. will be regarded as a good transfer for a good price. Every big historical club will feel an extra pressure to stay profitable.

Let's get something straight. Neymar is not worth 222m. Not ever. That's why the clause was set like that. So if Barca managed to sell a 120m. player for almost double that sum, and Everton managed to sell Lukaku for, what was it?, 80m?, then Atletico for sure can sell Griezmann for 150m. instead of 90m. for example, and Dortmund can sell Dembele for 140m. instead of 80m. This will hurt every club who has to stay profitable.

We'll see how it goes.

 

[Hamadovich86]

So Neymar paid the release clause to Barcelona directly and not through La Liga? Interesting new twist on release clauses.

 

[prtk0811]

Are we taking from this that Barcelona believe that PSG are attempting to circumvent FFP rules to get this through and that is why they are passing the details on to UEFA?

UEFA say that they believe they have included in the FFP legislation means to outlaw all attempts at circumvention.

Could be interesting.

We did the same with pogba.

 

[Ecstatic]

However, let's say, for the sake of argument, that I still disagree with your assessment of this situation. I never said I want to save football, but it's quite clear that if one or two clubs have been handed lottery wins and are able to (completely undeservedly) pay crazy sums for players that nobody else can possibly pay because they are actual football clubs with profit margins and business plans, then those clubs will be able to simply hoover up the best talent for themselves, leaving whatever they don't fancy for everyone else. There's no limit to where this ends because if other clubs find a way to compete fairly, then the goalposts will move and the oil 'clubs' will simply pay £400m.....£500m...£1bn etc. It essentially makes a mockery of the game with teams who haven't earned their success.

A line needs to be drawn somewhere with these clubs before the game becomes a bad joke.

1. Football is a competitive business in a market economy. Clubs like PSG make their competitors richer... Money is just one key factor of success in Football

2. I see crazy sums everywhere, including in the city of Manchester. Is it obligatorily fair for big clubs to plunder small clubs?

3. Clubs like PSG generally recruit between 4 and 6 players per season. They can't gather more than 15-20 great players for diverse reasons. The market is big. Inflation is a universal trend in most economic fields.

4. You suddenly want more protectionism because the clubs you like are simply challenged by newcomers. Why not? I have never said it was necessarily a bad thing in itself.

5. I don't want to philosophize but "Fair competition" is a pure abstraction that doesn't exist in real life.

You simply want to keep the line drawn between an historic monopoly (that deserve to win according to you) comprised of clubs like United..... and the others.

Without investments, the 2nd group can't challenge the historic monopoly so I understand your point of view, which has nothing to do with ethics considerations....

 

[RedStarUnited]

Guys im curious on one thing. Say PSG do get found guilty of this transfer, would they simply not get a ban or a squad restriction with a fine?

I cant imagine anything that would happen to them that would be so severe as to not risk it. Madrid won back to back CL's with a transfer ban in between, simply cos they already stocked up their squad to the fullest. PSG will just do the same and laugh at the potential fine.

The only harsh thing UEFA could do is rule this transfer as illegal and force Neymar to either go back to Barcelona or find another club. And we all know this wont happen.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

No. They mean PSG just paid us a truck load of money we don't think they can afford and stay within FFP.


They changed those rules a few years back. Hence why we didn't pay £50m for Herrera.

Not sure about that. I'm wondering the there is substance in that Neymar to be paid £200m to be Qatari WC ambassador rumours.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

We did the same with pogba.

Did what?

 

[prtk0811]

The harm is already done. Every club who has a talent on their hands will use this transfer as a reference point, no matter if that player is close or not to Neymar's level. Now, every attacker going under 100m. will be regarded as a good transfer for a good price. Every big historical club will feel an extra pressure to stay profitable.

Let's get something straight. Neymar is not worth 222m. Not ever. That's why the clause was set like that. So if Barca managed to sell a 120m. for almost double that sum, and Everton managed to sell Lukaku for, what was it?, 80m?, then Atletico for sure can sell Griezmann for 150m. instead of 90m., and Dortmund can sell Dembele for 140m. instead of 80m. This will hurt every club who has to stay profitable.

We'll see how it goes.

Barcelona and madrid sowed its seeds in the first place without realizing the effects till they face them in the first place.

 

[RedCurry]

That is BS. As much as I'd like to hate oil clubs, PSG have not done 1 thing wrong and behaved with class.

How exactly is that 'BS'? You are telling me that PSG legitimately has the revenue and operating income to be able to afford this transfer and still remain sustainable? If you don't think they do or even if you can't reasonable be sure about it, then what I said is not BS.

 

[prtk0811]

Did what?

We gave the deal details to them as information. Then they opened an investigation into it after a year and cleared us, but juventus is investigated now.

 

[The red panther]

While I think the way Barcelona and La Liga are acting is laugable, everything abut this transfer stinks and does seriously need t be looked at.

The only thing that stinks about it is that PSG are stinking rich with money coming for Qatar. Sugar daddy clubs doing what they do best, which is spending the money of their sugar daddy.

Now if this will break FFP or not will have to be seen as PSG can obviously generate some revenue to counter this excessive spending by for example selling a couple of their players which is no doubt what is going to happen.

 

[JPRouve]

I know you're usually right on these things, so what I am missing? Top income tax in Spain is 45%, so if someone gave Neymar 222m euros wouldn't he have to pay 100m tax? So they would have to give him 300m+ euros for him to pay the 222m to Barca? Or would he be exempt from tax for some reason?

If he broke his contract through the buy out clause then he doesn't have any tax to pay. And he won't have to pay taxes(or a lot of taxes) in France either because for this fiscal year, he is a spanish resident and he is also eligible for tax exonerations as a new french resident.
Now, I'm a bit confused because in theory the procedure is supposed to be done through the LFP and they didn't, so I don't know if it's considered like a triggering of the "clausula de rescision" or if it's just Barcelona taking the money and breaking his contract, it might seem to be the same for most but the Law cares about procedures and it could change the legal landscape.

 

[serghei]

Barcelona and madrid sowed its seeds in the first place.

Barcelona, Madrid, United, are profitable clubs. They are the Coca Cola and Pepsi of football. They generate 700m. because they are pretty good at football, and because they have 100 years almost behind them of being good at football. Do you think it's fair that Madrid, Barca, United, had to work almost a century to get where they are right now in football, only for an oil club to abuse them like that?

PSG is just canceling the need for history, culture and tradition in football. You can just buy the status now. You no longer buy the chance to get something in time. You just buy that thing almost on the spot.

PSG is like the rich parent who buys his 6 years old son a Steinway thinking their kid is already a concert pianist.

Barca and Madrid, even United, are already concert pianists. A Steinway fits their stature.

Every club has to get to a point in terms of history, value, and tradition. Thinking money is the most important thing in the world is what makes PSG possible.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

We gave the deal details to them as information. Then they opened an investigation into it after a year and cleared us, but juventus is investigated now.

Do you mean that it is standard practice but Barca are just being babies with that comment?

 

[ravi2]

1. Football is a competitive business in a market economy. Clubs like PSG make their competitors richer... Money is just one key factor of success in Football

2. I see crazy sums everywhere, including in the city of Manchester. Is it obligatorily fair for big clubs to plunder small clubs?

3. Clubs like PSG generally recruit between 4 and 6 players per season. They can't gather more than 15-20 great players for diverse reasons. The market is big.

4. You suddenly want more protectionism because the clubs you like are simply challenged by newcomers. Why not? I have never said it was necessarily a bad thing in itself.

5. I don't want to philosophize but "Fair competition" is a pure abstraction that doesn't exist in real life.

You simply want to keep the line drawn between an historic monopoly (that deserve to win according to you) comprised of clubs like United..... and the others.

Without investments, the 2nd group can't challenge the historic monopoly so I understand your point of view, which has nothing to do with ethics considerations....

The issue is PSG didnt legitimately come up with 222m to fund this, I hope this causes UEFA to enforce FFP seriously and not like the joke it is for the oil clubs out there

 

[idmanager]

How exactly is that 'BS'? You are telling me that PSG legitimately has the revenue and operating income to be able to afford this transfer and still remain sustainable? If you don't think they do or even if you can't reasonable be sure about it, then what I said is not BS.

How are you sure they wont balance their books before the window ends by sales?

 

[ravi2]

Barcelona, Madrid, United, are profitable clubs. They are the Coca Cola and Pepsi of football. They generate 700m. because they are pretty good at football, and because they have 100 years almost behind them of being good at football and being recognized as one of the biggest clubs.

PSG is just canceling the need for history, culture and tradition in football. You can just buy the status. You no longer buy the chance to get something in time. You just buy that thing almost on the spot.

Exactly, in essence PSG is cheating.

 

[jojojo]

On a technical level La Liga or any other Spanish organisation has an obligation to consider whether a payment could be the proceeds of tax evasion or money-laundering.

It's normally ignored between Spanish clubs as they have to show any tax debt in the accounts they give to La Liga - and La Liga can be asked by the tax office to give them the money to cover the tax debt first - the buyer's or the seller's. So clubs in Spanish tax debt can't use release clauses. It's also been ignored in the cases of Bayern and ourselves, because the funding source was clearly identifiable.

I'm sure PSG can come up with the right paperwork, but La Liga can probably stall them and be generally annoying about it. My guess is they are only doing it to allow Barca time to negotiate directly with PSG, and as a piece of showboating to wake UEFA up.

 

[Fully Fledged]

If you take the last 6 seasons, City had better results in EPL and in Europe as well. Pretty sure it checks out.

You definitely said decade that's from 2007/8 to the present.
If you take the last 6 years while SAF was still there the record was the same they won the league once we won the league once. Then he retired and we collapsed.

As I stated above it is only since SAF retired that we have gone backwards. The thing is that it hasn't been City that has dominated in that period. They have won the league once, Chelsea have won it twice and Leicester have won it once so the narrative that City have taken over since the injection of oil money just doesn't stand up.

If anything the injection of oil money to City and Chelsea has made them competitive and strengthened the league by having more teams challenging for the top honours domestically.

The monopoly over the past decade has been Span's big 2's stranglehold on world class forwards. This is why people are happy about this because it is finally breaking your monopoly on talent.

 

[prtk0811]

Do you mean that it is standard practice but Barca are just being babies with that comment?

We gave it as information, they are giving it as suspicion.

 

[Alemar]

Even if PSG violates FFP, it may only be discovered in the future (perhaps, they sell half the team by deadline day and generate funds or something else). As such, at this point in time Neymar must already be a PSG player - so the question is "where is his international transfer certificate?"

Is the transfer already a matter of fact or Barcelona is stalling even after receipt of the monies?

 

[Nick7]

Not sure about that. I'm wondering the there is substance in that Neymar to be paid £200m to be Qatari WC ambassador rumours.

That falls within the remit of what I said. UEFA doesn't care *where* the money comes from just if it comes with a reasonable explanation and background.

Edit: UEFA get the details of every single transfer that happens under them.

 

[Kostur]

Pique comes out looking like a fool in this case imo

Hehe.