Neymar joins PSG on a five year deal

[Sphaero]

The harm is already done. Every club who has a talent on their hands will use this transfer as a reference point, no matter if that player is close or not to Neymar's level. Now, every attacker going under 100m. will be regarded as a good transfer for a good price. Every big historical club will feel an extra pressure to stay profitable.

Let's get something straight. Neymar is not worth 222m. Not ever. That's why the clause was set like that. So if Barca managed to sell a 120m. player for almost double that sum, and Everton managed to sell Lukaku for, what was it?, 80m?, then Atletico for sure can sell Griezmann for 150m. instead of 90m. for example, and Dortmund can sell Dembele for 140m. instead of 80m. This will hurt every club who has to stay profitable.

We'll see how it goes.

Why, because an extra ordinary player transfers for an extraordinary sum? In relation to the total amount of money in the market, the Neymar "deal" is actually not that outrageous compared to the ones of Figo, Zidane or C.Ronaldo.

I also don´t see how this transfer will be seen as a measure stick for other deals. There were actually no negotiations between Clubs going on here. Paris activated Neymars mandatory release clause. Thats it.

At the end of the day, the prices will be set by the selling clubs unless there is a clause involved.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

That falls within the remit of what I said. UEFA doesn't care *where* the money comes from just if it comes with a reasonable explanation and background.

It does care, or at least it should, if PSG are using accounting tricks to keep this transfer off their official books that are submitted for FFP.

 

[serghei]

Why, because an extra ordinary pl ayer transfers for an extraordinary sum? In relation to the total amount of money in the market, the Neymar "deal" is actually not that outrageous compared to the ones of Figo, Zidane or C.Ronaldo.

I also don´t see how this transfer will be seen as a measure stick for other deals. There were actually no negotiations between Clubs going on here. Paris activated Neymars mandatory release clause. Thats it.

At the end of the day, the prices will be set by the selling clubs unless there is a clause involved.

But it is. Neymar deal is like some team would've paid 160m. for Zidane in 2002. In 1 year, the Qataris have more than doubled the biggest transfer ever. You sell your best player for 100m. right now, and most will say you've been duped.

Juventus sell Dybala for 100m. now, and people will say they are idiots. I mean, he just scored 2 times against Barca while Neymar was shit in that game. Is Neymar two times better than him? Of course not.

 

[Ecstatic]

The issue is PSG didnt legitimately come up with 222m to fund this, I hope this causes UEFA to enforce FFP seriously and not like the joke it is for the oil clubs out there

Western countries promote democracy, human rights and market economy.

In a market economy, a shareholder has the right to take risks and spend.

Indeed, the UEFA will check if the PSG's business plan is "FFP-Compliance".

 

[saivet]

I'm now looking forward to seeing Neymar in the CL. Interested to see how he does as the main guy.

 

[RedCurry]

How are you sure they wont balance their books before the window ends by sales?

I am not. If they do then great. But if they don't manage to balance their books then I'd be interested in knowing where UEFA stands on this. At least Barca reporting them to UEFA means there will be some sort of response one way or the other.

 

[Minimalist]

So do we have any football finance experts about? Is the touted £40m+ a year Neymar's about to earn with PSG going to make him the most expensive athlete in the world? That's almost £800,000/week.

Tried to do some googling and I can only find stuff from 2016 suggesting £20-30m was around the top level globally for annual wages.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

But it is. Neymar deal is like some team would've paid 160m. for Zidane in 2002. In 1 year, the Qataris have more than doubled the biggest transfer ever. You sell your best player for 100m. right now, and most will say you're selling yourself too cheaply.

First transfer in 85 years to double the previous record.

 

[Nick7]

It does care, or at least it should, if PSG are using accounting tricks to keep this transfer off their official books that are submitted for FFP.

What I mean is, it's not their job to find out if a Qatari gave PSG €222m. It is their job to find out if a Qatari gave PSG €222m in a fair and honest transaction. The origin of the money doesn't mean shit.

This is normal, all transfer information go to UEFA. Barca are just throwing their toys out of the pram and trying to make UEFA break protocol to investigate. PSG will be investigated in due time like every single club in UEFA. This is all normal Barca just want to put on a show.

 

[prtk0811]

Barcelona, Madrid, United, are profitable clubs. They are the Coca Cola and Pepsi of football. They generate 700m. because they are pretty good at football, and because they have 100 years almost behind them of being good at football. Do you think it's fair that Madrid, Barca, United, had to work almost a century to get where they are right now in football, only for an oil club to abuse them like that?

PSG is just canceling the need for history, culture and tradition in football. You can just buy the status now. You no longer buy the chance to get something in time. You just buy that thing almost on the spot.

PSG is like the rich parent who buys his son a Steinway thinking their kid is already a concert pianist.

Barca and Madrid, even United, are already concert pianists. A Steinway fits their stature.

It was Barcelona who paid 87 m for neymar who was no where near messi's or ronaldo's level and then madrid followed it with making bale the world record transfer as a reaction because they lost out on him when they are no where near messi or ronaldo level.

It had a knock on effect on the market which barcelona and madrid were immune too but are now feeling the heat of something they sowed alaong with oil clubs.

United bayern never Joined the spending spree on a single player and bayern still dont. United had to spend big because of mis management for few years.

 

[JPRouve]

That falls within the remit of what I said. UEFA doesn't care *where* the money comes from just if it comes with a reasonable explanation and background.

Edit: UEFA get the details of every single transfer that happens under them.

The UEFA, Barcelona and La Liga have the fiduciary duty to make sure that the money has been legally obtained and that's true for every financial activities but La Liga and Barcelona have no business with the FFP.

 

[Globule]

It does care, or at least it should, if PSG are using accounting tricks to keep this transfer off their official books that are submitted for FFP.

This. I don't really care much about this transfer as long as the money has come from PSG and fits in with FFP regulations (they may need to sell players, but that's fine) If it turns out Neymar has been paid directly by Qatar for a WC ambassadorial role, and he's used that money to instigate a transfer away from Barca to PSG then it needs to be stopped somehow. That makes a complete mockery of FFP and the transfer system.

 

[Nick7]

The UEFA, Barcelona and La Liga have the fiduciary duty to make sure that the money has been legally obtained and that's true for every financial activities but La Liga and Barcelona have no business with the FFP.

Read my follow up post, I explained a little better there.

 

[Fully Fledged]

Therein lies the problem.

It's a conundrum alright.

I don't think so. As I said above for a decade 2 teams have thought they had a right to go to any team and take their top talent. They amassed a star-studded line up of forwards that stopped others from competing in Europe.

Seeing things turn on them is nice.

 

[RRCE]

He doesn't care about history. That means little to a player that wants the best from their career. United's credibility in those terms made a difference when we were still at the top of game. As things stand, he'll enjoy being a part of that team more than ours, I imagine.

He'll quite possibly enjoy PSG better than he would have United, but in my opinion not because they're a better team. He'll have an easy go of it in a sub-par league. He'll be able to pile up impressive goal totals, while he (and the team) can still gear their efforts to ensuring health and freshness for the Champions League. It's a luxury that teams in England rarely have. At the end of the day, he'll enjoy it because of the money, which is what this move is all about.

History and tradition does matter to many players, albeit for different reasons. It can be important, even for financially motivated players. It's United's history and tradition that, in part, results in us having such a huge global fan base. That, in turn, results in increased economic opportunity for players.

I don't begrudge Neymar the move at all. I wouldn't expect him to turn down the money he's been offered. He's already won titles, so now it's about maximizing income. Similarly, I don't blame PSG. They can afford it and, if FFP has no teeth, why shouldn't they flex their muscles?

 

[JPRouve]

This. I don't really care much about this transfer as long as the money has come from PSG and fits in with FFP regulations (they may need to sell players, but that's fine) If it turns out Neymar has been paid directly by Qatar for a WC ambassadorial role, and he's used that money to instigate a transfer away from Barca to PSG then it needs to be stopped somehow. That makes a complete mockery of FFP and the transfer system.

The UEFA can decide to add it onto PSG's FFP books, that's what I would do. I would send an email and tell them that it is accounted and better be present in the books in April too.

 

[Hisha]

We had a Barca/La Liga "lawyer" here fighting all day with anyone who wanted this transfer to happen. He was adamant that this transfer won't happen and said that La Liga and Barca has complete authority to reject the transfer even if the release clause is paid. He also said that even if Neymar or PSG went to court, they won't win this case.

Anyone heard from him recently?

 

[711]

If he broke his contract through the buy out clause then he doesn't have any tax to pay. And he won't have to pay taxes(or a lot of taxes) in France either because for this fiscal year, he is a spanish resident and he is also eligible for tax exonerations as a new french resident.
Now, I'm a bit confused because in theory the procedure is supposed to be done through the LFP and they didn't, so I don't know if it's considered like a triggering of the "clausula de rescision" or if it's just Barcelona taking the money and breaking his contract, it might seem to be the same for most but the Law cares about procedures and it could change the legal landscape.

Well let's just agree I'd make a shit tax lawyer. I'd just say 'yeah it's income, fair enough, have a 100m, it's only right'.

 

[Coxy]

He'll quite possibly enjoy PSG better than he would have United, but in my opinion not because they're a better team. He'll have an easy go of it in a sub-par league. He'll be able to pile up impressive goal totals, while he (and the team) can still gear their efforts to ensuring health and freshness for the Champions League. It's a luxury that teams in England rarely have. At the end of the day, he'll enjoy it because of the money, which is what this move is all about.

History and tradition does matter to many players, albeit for different reasons. It can be important, even for financially motivated players. It's United's history and tradition that, in part, results in us having such a huge global fan base. That, in turn, results in increased economic opportunity for players.

I don't begrudge Neymar the move at all. I wouldn't expect him to turn down the money he's been offered. He's already won titles, so now it's about maximizing income. Similarly, I don't blame PSG. They can afford it and, if FFP has no teeth, why shouldn't they flex their muscles?

Maximising income? The guy is on a fortune already mate

 

[prtk0811]

On a technical level La Liga or any other Spanish organisation has an obligation to consider whether a payment could be the proceeds of tax evasion or money-laundering.

It's normally ignored between Spanish clubs as they have to show any tax debt in the accounts they give to La Liga - and La Liga can be asked by the tax office to give them the money to cover the tax debt first - the buyer's or the seller's. So clubs in Spanish tax debt can't use release clauses. It's also been ignored in the cases of Bayern and ourselves, because the funding source was clearly identifiable.

I'm sure PSG can come up with the right paperwork, but La Liga can probably stall them and be generally annoying about it. My guess is they are only doing it to allow Barca time to negotiate directly with PSG, and as a piece of showboating to wake UEFA up.

Yes if it was psg buying from atletico none of this fuss would have been created.

 

[AshfordLad]

But it is. Neymar deal is like some team would've paid 160m. for Zidane in 2002. In 1 year, the Qataris have more than doubled the biggest transfer ever. You sell your best player for 100m. right now, and most will say you've been duped.

Juventus sell Dybala for 100m. now, and people will say they are idiots. I mean, he just scored 2 times against Barca while Neymar was shit in that game. Is Neymar two times better than him? Of course not.

No. Other teams will be fine. Only Barca will have to pay over the odds to secure a replacement because everyone knows they have this stupid money.

Like Figo's transfer did not affect the market too much. This record will stay for a good 10 seasons.

 

[JPRouve]

Well let's just agree I'd make a shit tax lawyer. I'd just say 'yeah it's income, fair enough, have a 100m, it's only right'.

It's a messy branch of law.

 

[Random Task]

I don't think so. As I said above for a decade 2 teams have thought they had a right to go to any team and take their top talent. They amassed a star-studded line up of forwards that stopped others from competing in Europe.

Seeing things turn on them is nice.

It is nice to see Barca getting the shaft, for sure. Then again, as getting shafted goes, a £225m payday could be worse.

 

[jderbyshire]

Worth considering as well - playing in an easier league will probably make him fresher than most elite players in the summer international tournaments.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

It's a messy branch of law.

What about them selling Augustin? Thought he was the next big thing.

 

[Globule]

The UEFA can decide to add it onto PSG's FFP books, that's what I would do. I would send an email and tell them that it is accounted and better be present in the books in April too.

Lets hope that's the case, because if this transfer takes place off of PSG's books it could have a devastating impact across football. While Chelsea, and to a lesser extent City, have shown some respect towards FFP, they might feel unshackled if Qatar manipulate this deal. Abramovich might suddenly realise that Russia need a global ambassador for the coming WC.

 

[M4YON]

We don't really know about that.

Yes we so and if youve seen the latest reports they all state that Neymar has paid his release clause.

 

[Adnan]

 

[RedCurry]

Worth considering as well - playing in an easier league will probably make him fresher than most elite players in the summer international tournaments.

Yea but he plays for one of the most uninspiring Brazil teams.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Lets hope that's the case, because if this transfer takes place off of PSG's books it could have a devastating impact across football. While Chelsea, and to a lesser extent City, have shown some respect towards FFP, they might feel unshackled if Qatar manipulate this deal. Abramovich might suddenly realise that Russia need a global ambassador for the coming WC.

PSG will still have spent less than City this window if it closed tomorrow. Pretty sure City have outspent every club in the world over the past 5 years.

 

[JPRouve]

What about them selling Augustin? Thought he was the next big thing.

I think that he asked to go because he wasn't playing and his contract was ending next summer. Leipzig should be a better environment.

 

[prtk0811]

This record will stay for a good 10 seasons.

I would bet it will be broken again in few years. City could do it.

 

[Adnan]

PSG rubbing it in

 

[Nick7]

Yes to bypass FFP, that is shady and i will be surprised if UEFA dont act on it.

That's not true. We were not bypassing FFP when we gave Ander Herrera £30m to sign him. I swear some of y'all make stuff up on the fly.

 

[Gasolin]

The money Neymar paid is either straight from PSG or from PSG's owners through different channels. PSG, in one way or another, paid Neymar's release clause. That much is sure. Now it's time for Uefa to prove they aren't completely useless or corrupt, although these two aren't necessarily mutualy exclusive. Won't hold my breath though...

They just paid some money, do you think that money smells blood or what?!? It's the same money as Qatar Foundation when they pay Barcelona... you realize that right ?

 

[Fully Fledged]

It is nice to see Barca getting the shaft, for sure. Then again, as getting shafted goes, a £225m payday could be worse.

I think it's more like £203m the 225m was euros but yeah I think £200m would make me feel better about most things.

 

[prtk0811]

PSG rubbing it in

 

[Inter Yer Nan]

PSG will still have spent less than City this window if it closed tomorrow. Pretty sure City have outspent every club in the world over the past 5 years.

They have easily. If you look at what clubs have spent in history City are already #1 despite really only being a spending club for less than a decade. Yet, the media still barely calls them out on it they way they do United or the way they did with Chelsea.

 

[prtk0811]

I Wish We would have sold januzaj to psg for 40 m.

 

[Draconifire]

Best thing that has ever happened. Neymar gone, the board will probably be booted after this, and Tebas gone after PSG files a complaint against him. Win win situation for us.