Neymar joins PSG on a five year deal

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They have easily. If you look at what clubs have spent in history City are already #1 despite really only being a spending club for less than a decade. Yet, the media still barely calls them out on it they way they do United or the way they did with Chelsea.

Because of Pep.
 
You know the bias against Barca and Madrid has spun out of control when you have fans of United being happy about a dangerous situation for their own club, just because right now it is more damaging to Barcelona. :lol:

You have City being the better team in Manchester for the most part of the last decade FFS, through unfair sponsorships. And you side with oil clubs like PSG in situations regarding obvious violations of financial fair play?

Post reads like pure hurt, and doesn't stand up to scrutiny, 2007-2017 we have more titles with a complimentary CL win and a couple CL finals.

Not that I have a liking for oil clubs or a particular dislike for Barcelona but let's try and be factual. Also, PSG could just sell a few players to be in accordance to FFP no?
 
1. Football is a competitive business in a market economy. Clubs like PSG make their competitors richer... Money is just one key factor of success in Football

2. I see crazy sums everywhere, including in the city of Manchester. Is it obligatorily fair for big clubs to plunder small clubs?

3. Clubs like PSG generally recruit between 4 and 6 players per season. They can't gather more than 15-20 great players for diverse reasons. The market is big. Inflation is a universal trend in most economic fields.

4. You suddenly want more protectionism because the clubs you like are simply challenged by newcomers. Why not? I have never said it was necessarily a bad thing in itself.

5. I don't want to philosophize but "Fair competition" is a pure abstraction that doesn't exist in real life.

You simply want to keep the line drawn between an historic monopoly (that deserve to win according to you) comprised of clubs like United..... and the others.

Without investments, the 2nd group can't challenge the historic monopoly so I understand your point of view, which has nothing to do with ethics considerations....

This is bullshit

The notion of fair competition exists in many examples of real life, it is what free-market economy is based on and why it has regulations to safeguard it from monopoly or oligopoly. It is embedded in the idea of sportsmanship as in you don't cheat by for example taking doping.

The whole idea of financial fair play is to adress the issue of financial doping. Which is essentially what PSG and other clubs like City are guilty off using. You simply get money from your owner which allows you to grow much faster and become much bigger than possible for any other club of equal size and resources. It is simply unfair. Now you people keep calling it investments, but it is not investing money, you inve'st money because you want to see a return on investment. Now United owners, they are investers, they have already gotten much more money out of the club than they initially invested in it and the club is run like a business that has to make money and can only spend money that it has made. PSG and City are not run like that at all. If they were you could never afford transfers like that of Neymar or even most of the other transfers you did ever since you were bought by Qatar. Those rich owners they don't invest, they just want to own a football club and show the world how rich and powerfull they are by doing so and they are not expecting to see a financial return from that all. So it is not investing, it is financial doping. And the only thing that made PSG or City great is that they were the lucky ones to be purchased like winning a lottery.

Next to it being unfair for other clubs, it is also highly unsetteling for the transfermarket (yea inflation is natural but the way transfer prices are going is hyper inflation and also not sustainable) and it is simply a bad example of how to run a football club as it is clearly a non-sustainable businessmodel. So it makes perfect sense that to protect other clubs UEFA would have financial fair play rules only it seems they are not effective at all currently.
 
I would bet it will be broken again in few years. City could do it.
It could happen but this sort of perfect storm is unlikely to come together again.

World class player at his peak having to play second fiddle to two other world class players. Availability of a release clause. The owner club aggravating a super rich club for one of their star players.

All this won't come together like this again.
 
PSG will still have spent less than City this window if it closed tomorrow. Pretty sure City have outspent every club in the world over the past 5 years.

Yeah, I think I was being overly kind to City there. They have been spending crazy amounts under Pep. And their income is just as shady as PSG's.

But the Neymar deal would eclipse City's dealings. Not just the headline transfer fee, but with wages and the outrageous commissions he, his dad and his agent would get.
 
Barca are a complete farce. They broke all kinds of rules and laws when they signed Neymar, now crying about PSG straight up paying the release clause they set. Where the money comes from and whether that's "fair" doesn't change the fact that it's a legitimate transfer by the rules at hand.
 
Yeah, I think I was being overly kind to City there. They have been spending crazy amounts under Pep. And their income is just as shady as PSG's.

But the Neymar deal would eclipse City's dealings. Not just the headline transfer fee, but with wages and the outrageous commissions he, his dad and his agent would get.

It depends what PSG do in the rest of the transfer window too. If Neymar's rumoured net wages are correct at £500k a week then that would be remarkable.
 
It could happen but this sort of perfect storm is unlikely to come together again.

World class player at his peak having to play second fiddle to two other world class players. Availability of a release clause. The owner club aggravating a super rich club for one of their star players.

All this won't come together like this again.
Add to the fact that as of now all Barca's players contracts are being renegotiated with massively increased Buy Out clauses.
 
Pogba being more of a bargain per day :drool:

Even more of a bargain if you consider that WC level talents like him will soon be unattainable judging by inflation.

If a top club has their mittens on a worldie talent they will never let him leave.

We got him just at the right time, if we left it for another season we wouldn't be able to get him imo.

Likewise no one will be able to get him from us, we'll slap a £500m price-tag on him.
 
It depends what PSG do in the rest of the transfer window to. If Neymar's rumoured net wages are correct at £500k a week then that would be remarkable.

£500k a week after tax.

If PSG do flog some players to recoup some money, then fair enough. That makes the transfer seem a lot more legitimate. But I'm not sure. PSG's owners haven't always been the most astute when it comes to making their cash injections seem organic.
 
It could happen but this sort of perfect storm is unlikely to come together again.

World class player at his peak having to play second fiddle to two other world class players. Availability of a release clause. The owner club aggravating a super rich club for one of their star players.

All this won't come together like this again.

I'd like to see a transfer War between City and Psg.
 
It's only the same as City buying 4 players for £50m each on £125k a week. As long as they sign no one else.

City have sold a few players, with some more preparing to leave, and have offloaded a lot of wages off the book already. And also, I doubt any of the deals City have completed will have anywhere near the same level of commissions the Neymar deal will have.
 
Lets hope that's the case, because if this transfer takes place off of PSG's books it could have a devastating impact across football. While Chelsea, and to a lesser extent City, have shown some respect towards FFP, they might feel unshackled if Qatar manipulate this deal. Abramovich might suddenly realise that Russia need a global ambassador for the coming WC.

There's not a chance that PSG won't be putting the transfer fee through their books. That would be seriously taking the piss and I'll show my arse down the Arndale Centre in Burtons' window if I'm wrong.
 
There are 4 elite clubs in the world whom I class as the elite. Real, Barca, Man Utd and Bayern. Any move outside of those 4 is a step down. Regardless of the mighty dollar.
 
Trying not to generalize, but I guess I will but do Brazilians chase the $$ harder than any other nations players?

Now don't get me wrong, at the end of the day it's a job and you should always want the most bunse. Having said that perhaps it's because they have the most professional players but a large amount of Brazilians end up in Ukraine, Russia, China and obviously PSG is loaded with them.

Just doesn't seem as common for players from other countries to complete so many obscure signings and sign for smaller clubs over traditional clubs and good leagues that also pay incredibly well.
 
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Copy of him signing the PSG contract. Presentation tomorrow.
 
This is bullshit

The notion of fair competition exists in many examples of real life, it is what free-market economy is based on and why it has regulations to safeguard it from monopoly or oligopoly. It is embedded in the idea of sportsmanship as in you don't cheat by for example taking doping.

The whole idea of financial fair play is to adress the issue of financial doping. Which is essentially what PSG and other clubs like City are guilty off using. You simply get money from your owner which allows you to grow much faster and become much bigger than possible for any other club of equal size and resources. It is simply unfair. Now you people keep calling it investments, but it is not investing money, you inve'st money because you want to see a return on investment. Now United owners, they are investers, they have already gotten much more money out of the club than they initially invested in it and the club is run like a business that has to make money and can only spend money that it has made. PSG and City are not run like that at all. If they were you could never afford transfers like that of Neymar or even most of the other transfers you did ever since you were bought by Qatar. Those rich owners they don't invest, they just want to own a football club and show the world how rich and powerfull they are by doing so and they are not expecting to see a financial return from that all. So it is not investing, it is financial doping. And the only thing that made PSG or City great is that they were the lucky ones to be purchased like winning a lottery.

Next to it being unfair for other clubs, it is also highly unsetteling for the transfermarket (yea inflation is natural but the way transfer prices are going is hyper inflation and also not sustainable) and it is simply a bad example of how to run a football club as it is clearly a non-sustainable businessmodel. So it makes perfect sense that to protect other clubs UEFA would have financial fair play rules only it seems they are not effective at all currently.

But you gotta admit few years of financial doping and transfers and good management can get their revenue's rolling as a buisness which is making profit.
 
It's only the same as City buying 4 players for £50m each on £125k a week. As long as they sign no one else.

£500k a week after tax.

If PSG do flog some players to recoup some money, then fair enough. That makes the transfer seem a lot more legitimate. But I'm not sure. PSG's owners haven't always been the most astute when it comes to making their cash injections seem organic.

The wages are being reported as E30m a year net, after tax. About £900k a week gross.
 
Trying not to generalize, but I guess I will but do Brazilians chase the $$ harder than any other nations players?

Now don't get me wrong, at the end of the day it's a job and you should always want the most bunse. Having said that perhaps it's because they have the most professional players but a large amount of Brazilians end up in Ukraine, Russia, China and obviously PSG is loaded with them.

Just doesn't seem as common for players from other countries to complete so many obscure signings and sign for smaller clubs over traditional clubs and good leagues that also pay incredibly well.

For the same amount of money South americans would stay in their countries. It's the same logic than english players not moving abroad in better clubs or for more playing time, professional footballers are professionals.
 
City's approach is very different. They dont seem to go after super stars ever since Kaka and Robinho sagas. They play somewhat different market.

THey have been building for pep. Soon their intrests will converge.
 
There are 4 elite clubs in the world whom I class as the elite. Real, Barca, Man Utd and Bayern. Any move outside of those 4 is a step down. Regardless of the mighty dollar.
Maybe Naymar can change that so PSG has to be included in that in a couple of seasons? Considering how young of a club they are they've climbed to their level exceedingly quickly, if they keep going it's inevitable they'll be up there before long.
 
Call me Brazilian but damn right I'd join any club offering me 500k a week after tax. Football might be important but it's still a job.
 
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