Ok, we will see how that goes. Lot of hype around ten hag. He is my second choice, so he may justify that. I don't want to have to make another thread, saying why was so many people fooled by ten hag, the same way I did with Ole. Of course, I m 100x more confident that ten hag will do better than Ole, but what we want is for him to do much better than our most accomplished manager post sir Alex in mourinho.
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The irony is our players played with more spirit in the early and mid periods of Ole’s tenure. Whoever ends up taking the reigns needs to initiate a brutal clear out.
Pogba leaving the club should also be a big boost for the team and new manager. It signifies a bigger cultural shift than what it seems towards getting the right committed players for the job regardless of their clout.
Pogba leaving the club should also be a big boost for the team and new manager. It signifies a bigger cultural shift than what it seems towards getting the right committed players for the job regardless of their clout.
The players probably only want Pochettino because they are more familiar with his work but if they've really done their homework or ask Luke Shaw they'll find Pochettino is anything but the labels you're giving him here. He's a very demanding manager on and off the training field and is adept at working with youth players. He recitali Espanyol's youth setup in his first managerial role at age 36. He also helped develop young players like Luke Shaw, Calum Chambers, James Ward-Prawse, Harry Kane, Harry Winks, Danny Rose, Nathaniel Clyne, Kyle Walker-Peters, Kyle Walker and Coutinho (during his time at Espanyol). At Espanyol he insisted the youth team play players in age groups above them so as to hasten their development and it worked.
Below is an article on the progress he made with Espanyol's youth team in the two years he was there before being fired (yes he was fired but left a legacy on their youth)
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2011/jan/17/espanyol-la-liga-sid-lowe
Absolutely true. However it probably has more to do with A) Ole being permanent manager B) not having a bunch of players in free fall at United such as Martial (looking finished), Pogba (looking forward to leaving), Lingard (same) and Greewnood (looking at jail time) and crucially C) Ole not really having any great tactical vision that demands a lot out of the players allowing then to play as they please and figure shit out, often hitting teams on the counter or just playing generic 90s football.
Moyes was never really wanted by United fans, deep down we knew it, we just hoped that SAF knew best. LVG tried to play the kind of football we would have liked, but it was too boring. I personally wasn't happy that he was fired. I think he was let down by the quality of the squad, but he was responsible for that. Mourinho was an inconvenient alliance, his football was disliked, but we thought it would get us back to being elite. Ole promised at the beginning to play good football, but never followed through, it became increasingly difficult to different between him and Jose.
Ten Haag is the first in my opinion who I actually think ticks all the boxes. On the up, plays attacking football, will match other top teams as equals, in essence, football that befits a club of this stature. The only knock against him is the league he's coached in. It's also the first time I feel like if we don't hire him, one of City, RM, PSG, etc will shortly.
Any chance Ten Hag watched the Leicester match just now and be terrified of joining this circus?
Don't most managers get new jobs because the team they are joining is currently not good?
Just saw on Sky that Pep has agreed ten Hag would make a good City manager when he (Pep) eventually departs. He was asked the question by a journalist. But then again, Pep’s endorsements have always been suspect in relation to United.
Fans were exited in both LVG and Mourinho's first summer. Both were considered top managers and both signed some great names on paper in their first summer. This opinion is just said in hindsight. The reality is, it's not really the first summer we get a manager we think gonna be good for us or sign promising names, so getting optimistic based on only that will be like repeating the past.
Only what happens on the pitch will tell. I'm done feeling positive before a ball is kicked.
what's wrong with that?
Optimism bad, you must live in misery and see the worst in everything.
Sorry but the actual football is depressing enough right now, peoples desperation to shit on others who want to believe there's a way out are absolutely exhausting.
Sorry but the actual football is depressing enough right now, peoples desperation to shit on others who want to believe there's a way out are absolutely exhausting.
It really hits home how little I rate the squad when I can look at a list of 11 senior players and not give a single solitary shit if all of them left in the next couple months.
There are several players not on that list who I'd be happy to see leave too. What a mess
Really excited to get this season over, whoever is manager I feel this summer is the turning point for utd. We are at our bottom and hopefully this summer is the start of getting our house in order and starting to move in the right direction. It has to be surely. Too many things line it for it not to be a total reset, major parts of the squad are going,Ed is gone,new manager incoming and ralf is in there somewhere to help the club. Long road but fingers crossed we get on the road.
People saying that "any decent manager should steer clear of United" are spreading some unnecessary negativity imo. These are probably the same people who would set out a sack watch for a new manager after a couple of defeats. We certainly can do without this vitriol. I mean, we're not world beaters at the moment, but we are still relevant for sure. Sure we problems, we don't win things, we have a problematic board, etc. etc. But that doesn't mean we're absolute sh*t. We have a huge global fan base, we are financially solid, and we have strong history and tradition.
In the current scenario Bayern, Real, Barca, Atletico, Juve, PSG, City, Chelsea, and Pool are the only clubs ahead of us in every which way. That's still only 9 clubs ahead of us among hundreds in top flight football in Europe. Are we first choice? No. But given the choice, top managers would be open to managing any of the other 9 - but then those clubs hardly have a vacancy every other season (barring Chelsea and PSG).
So unless you're a Nagelsman, Klopp, or Guardiola and already at a top club and succesful. United is definitely a very attractive proposition for majority of managers.
In the current scenario Bayern, Real, Barca, Atletico, Juve, PSG, City, Chelsea, and Pool are the only clubs ahead of us in every which way. That's still only 9 clubs ahead of us among hundreds in top flight football in Europe. Are we first choice? No. But given the choice, top managers would be open to managing any of the other 9 - but then those clubs hardly have a vacancy every other season (barring Chelsea and PSG).
So unless you're a Nagelsman, Klopp, or Guardiola and already at a top club and succesful. United is definitely a very attractive proposition for majority of managers.
Spot on.
Are we in worse position than when LVG took over?
Our league standing will probably be around the same. A squad filled to the brim with deadwood as well.
Our league standing will probably be around the same. A squad filled to the brim with deadwood as well.
How so? Poch didnt try and build with big names or marquee transfers.
We are in sort of the same position but for different reasons. The squad LVG took over was over the hill. This one is just shit with very little talent. Both needed gutting.
His style of play. And in his later years he’s spent and wasted money
Worse I’d say. Back then the players who were getting on, or on their way out, were some serial winners with good attitudes. Even the regulars who weren’t particularly good, Valencia, Young, Mata etc, had good mentalities. In fact the biggest problems from LVGs era all came from players we signed under him. Not from the squad he inherited.
Now we have an aged squad full of players who want out who are also a bunch of untalented serial losers with failed brands and pathetic book deals. The only bright side is we’ll soon be rid of a third of them.
a worse indictment is that there are players not on that list that should be.
It's going to be an interesting season next year. We're going to see a big number of players leave, followed by a big intake from the youth or in transfers (or both) all under ten Hag.
It should be fun, we'll see a different Utd and a good coach to mould the new players. Who cares if we're in Europa next year, it would be the wrong time to set expectations like playing in the CL anyway. Next year is about growth and identity
It should be fun, we'll see a different Utd and a good coach to mould the new players. Who cares if we're in Europa next year, it would be the wrong time to set expectations like playing in the CL anyway. Next year is about growth and identity
you talk as if big names and marquee signings are bad thing: it worked for us in the past and Barca, Madrid and now City (seemingly likely to get Halaand) are a bad thing. We don't know what Poch would have done had Levy given him money. We do now that Moyes had no idea to spend money when he was given it but has no proven twice what he can do on a comparative shoestring
Those players can have no input in the next manager they can either get on board or go to the nearest exit.
Ship the players who are unhappy out of the club.
A decent amount of the team will be gone anyway due to age and contract situations.
Just another made up story.
Who gives a feck what that group of lazy, useless wa*kers think.
yes cos its that simple when they have contracts
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Not like Luckhurst to put a negative spin on everything...
Couldn't agree more.
Let's hope these lazy and useless players put in transfer request on appointment of ETH. Would make job easier to get rid of them.
its incredible how many people are convinced its all the players fault now, like all of them
they're all lazy, useless, greedy etc..
they're all lazy, useless, greedy etc..
Assuming players thought in a logical and self-interested way, they should be split over ETH given a lot of them simply won't fit under his very defined style of play. Whereas with other managers the likely winners & losers from the current squad might be more uncertain.
The club needs to release who the manager will be as soon as possible. Once their domestic league is mathematically finished then it should be made public.
Then the players need to be in day 1 of preseason without any extra trips to Dubai.
Pogba and co need to empty there lockers at the end of this season, say your goodbyes and begone.
Then the players need to be in day 1 of preseason without any extra trips to Dubai.
Pogba and co need to empty there lockers at the end of this season, say your goodbyes and begone.
The ones taking a issue should be put on the transfer list, assuming the report is credible.
But i'm concentrating on the positive part of the report, where it's reported that some of the players are very excited at the prospect of working with ten Hag, who they believe will improve them as players.
This is a wum right?
You're correct, there's several players in the squad who likely won't survive the play style ten Hag will look to implement. So it wouldn't surprise me if there's some truth to what Luckhurst is reporting.
It just reads like a story plucked from someone’s arse to shit stir and cause more abuse towards the players.
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