Next permanent manager | Poll updated

Who should be the next permanent manager?

  • Luis Enrique

    Votes: 113 7.4%

  • Erik ten Hag

    Votes: 1,300 84.7%

  • Julen Lopetegui

    Votes: 10 0.7%

  • Mauricio Pochettino

    Votes: 79 5.1%

  • None of the above

    Votes: 32 2.1%
  • Total voters
    1,534
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pratyush_utd said:
De Gea survived LVG era. Infact his best period came under LVG. So he should not have too much issue adapting ETH football.
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ETH maybe not but Enrique has marginalized him from the Spain set up entirely. Would doubt that would change if he took over United.

It will be interesting though how he would adapt to ETH given the importance he places on the keeper and being able to play out the back
 
Rolaholic said:
ETH maybe not but Enrique has marginalized him from the Spain set up entirely. Would doubt that would change if he took over United.

It will be interesting though how he would adapt to ETH given the importance he places on the keeper and being able to play out the back
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Enrique has better options. De Gea is least of our worry. So i dont think any incoming manager will see De Gea as an issue. Maybe 2-3 years down the line we might look at replacing him but with the amount of work needed, GK change is probably going to get least attention.
 
Trex said:
Do other clubs do this shortlisting thing or they just go for the preferred option, I can't remember Liverpool or City shortlisting options for interview before hiring their respective manager.
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Spurs conducted a pretty public search to replace Mourinho which consisted of a shortlist. They interviewed Ten Hag last summer before going with Nuno Santo. They interviewed a few others if I recall correctly
 
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Ten hag for me but I can see the temptation for pochettino as our current crop of sheltered, hyper sensitive and technically poor players might suit pochettino more than ten hag. Both are good managers
 
Rolaholic said:
ETH maybe not but Enrique has marginalized him from the Spain set up entirely. Would doubt that would change if he took over United.

It will be interesting though how he would adapt to ETH given the importance he places on the keeper and being able to play out the back
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pratyush_utd said:
Enrique has better options. De Gea is least of our worry. So i dont think any incoming manager will see De Gea as an issue. Maybe 2-3 years down the line we might look at replacing him but with the amount of work needed, GK change is probably going to get least attention.
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For sure DDG is not good enough for ETH, however he will have too many positions to work on first before getting to GK. Not too dissimilar to Arsenal, where they only got their GK 2 yrs after he became their manager, because of the amount of squad overhaul needed.
 
pratyush_utd said:
De Gea survived LVG era. Infact his best period came under LVG. So he should not have too much issue adapting ETH football.
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De Gea will be one of the first casualties under any positional play coach. It’s not that he’s bad on the ball, he’s just not great on the ball. And great is what top modern coaches demand. At the very minimum goalkeepers need to sweep and be able to switch the ball out to the full backs or help play through a press. I’m not Maguire’s biggest fan by any means but every other game he seems to have a go at De Gea for not showing for the ball when we’re being pressed, he is far too timid.
 
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pratyush_utd said:
Enrique has better options. De Gea is least of our worry. So i dont think any incoming manager will see De Gea as an issue. Maybe 2-3 years down the line we might look at replacing him but with the amount of work needed, GK change is probably going to get least attention.
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I see this a lot. De Gea is hampering our build-up play and is a big part of why we can't dominate teams. He should be one of the first people to go if we have any aspirations of changing from a counter-attacking team.
 
Trex said:
Do other clubs do this shortlisting thing or they just go for the preferred option, I can't remember Liverpool or City shortlisting options for interview before hiring their respective manager.
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Its because we dont know what we want
 
Roario said:
I see this a lot. De Gea is hampering our build-up play and is a big part of why we can't dominate teams. He should be one of the first people to go if we have any aspirations of changing from a counter-attacking team.
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Agreed. He's a major issue for anyone looking to play out from the back and/or a high line or who even wants to defend crosses properly.

I don't know how anyone thinks he'll adapt. His passing was good, if not excellent earlier on in his career. It's awful now and has been for years.
 
Laurencio said:
I think a lot of people are going to be surprised by how much difference a top class manager, backed by a top class coaching staff makes. Assuming that is what we do of course. All the candidates has shown themselves capable of changing their tactical plan on the fly in response to the opposition, something we haven't had since 2016-2017. That in itself will help with results. The majority of games we've drawn and/or lost since Ralf's appointment has been because we have been incapable of meeting tactical changes the opposition makes. There are so many points wasted on that this season, if you take away those we easily make top four, likely progress in the CL and begin competing for top three - despite having a sub-optimal squad with a weak midfield.

Since Ten Hag is favorite to land the job, it should be pointed out that he in particular has an incredible statistic when it comes to creating a system that works with the players at his disposal - Ajax has scored 80 goals in 27 matches, conceding just 13. That is astounding no matter how you look at it. He has like a 74% win rate over his time at Ajax, which is borderline unreal. Add his time at Utrecht and you're still looking at 64/65%. Clearly he knows how to get a squad playing to the limits of their abilities - hopefully that translates when he starts working with "bigger" stars and a much bigger budget (Ajax eecord transfer is £25M for Onana IIRC)

We will probably still buy players for silly money for marketing reasons, but as long as we follow through on hiring world class coaches and let him develop his system we should be seeing considerable progress made within a relatively short time span. Ralf has done quite a bit with our positioning, chance creation and players adhering to a system in a short amount of time - he and his staff are just awful at making the necessary changes during matches to get the results as well, or simply bad coaching (set pieces, finishing, composure). Ten Hag does not suffer from that deficiency, so there is no reason to believe he can't get similar improvements both in team performance and results rather quickly. Provided he gets players and coaches capable of implementing his preferred system.

Personally I think the same is true for all three leading candidates, so all in all I think there is certainly room for optimism at this point.
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Clearly you are more optimistic than I. I had been of similar hope when Rangnick was announced, hoping to see good improvement like Tuchel or Flick. While we have improved, I now feel this group of players can only do so much
 
Xaviesta said:
Luis Enrique took over a Celta that finished 17th, avoiding relegation by a single point. In his one and only season in charge, Celta finished 9th. Yup, he failed.
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Yeah, hardly a glowing endorsement though.
 
reddevilz007 said:
Its because we dont know what we want
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Withnail said:
Come on. Everything isn't a stick to beat the feckin club with. It's standard practice to interview a number of candidates for any role. You have to talk to the ones you're interested in to see who wants to come, is available and is a good fit.
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Whilst I applaud the club for not rushing into a half baked appointment like previously, the only thing I will beat them with personally is that they could have started this process months ago - considering it's been months since we hired an interim and we knew we wanted a permanent manager for the summer.

Like I said, i'm glad they are doing their due dilligence, I believe the main reason they are doing it though is because I don't think there's one special stand out candidate amongst the ones available. I'm talking the likes of Guardiola, Klopp, Tuchel or Nagelsmann. The options we have available are good, but you can argue for and against for all of them, there isn't 1 single stand out wow candidate that ticks every single box without many caveats in my opinion, as much as I like Ten Hag.
 
I hope you end up with Lopetegui or Poch but seems unlikely at this point. ETH could be an amazing appointment but all depends on how well the squad can adapt to his style. If he can’t get them playing right he could be another LVG.
 
Not going to pretend I know all the ins and out of management (I wanted Howard Kendall to replace Ron Atkinson), but ten Hag just excites me more than the other candidates.

If he turns out to be another misfire at least I will have got my first choice for manager for the first time.
 
pratyush_utd said:
Enrique has better options. De Gea is least of our worry. So i dont think any incoming manager will see De Gea as an issue. Maybe 2-3 years down the line we might look at replacing him but with the amount of work needed, GK change is probably going to get least attention.
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Pep binned Joe Hart straight away because he wanted a sweeper keeper and one that had good distribution. If the incoming manager relies on this they may decide to bin De Gea, I'm pretty sure Enrique would want to move him on to be honest
 
Roario said:
I see this a lot. De Gea is hampering our build-up play and is a big part of why we can't dominate teams. He should be one of the first people to go if we have any aspirations of changing from a counter-attacking team.
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DDG will have the ball in his hands and three opposing players behind him, yet still wait for everyone to clear upfield before moving the ball forward.
 
United in sin said:
Perfect. I'm aware of this process and I was giving @Andycoleno9 the opportunity to delve deeper into it rather than the surface stuff fans see day to day in the media and draw conclusions from. Adnan has broken it down as well on this forum often.

You're bang on. This process is self serving and does indeed absolve those within it of culpability. The perfect insurance.

The club claims it performed an extensive search for a DoF for instance which supposedly cast it's net far and wide. However it appears what they actually did was devise a plan to restructure the system and promote from within while protecting their own interests and jobs. Different paint but same brush and same scam artists. It truly is still mates FC in a different guise, unless otherwise proven as time goes
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well, a couple of months ago I sparred with Adnan myself. He thought that Jon Murtough would revolutionise this club while I was far more pessimistic on the matter. While I believe that we both had decent arguments, my ultimate point is still pretty relevant. United took ages to replace Ole, they wasted an entire January window and despite being nearly in April we've yet to decide whose going to be our new manager for next season. This sound the same sluggish and incompetent United to me.
 
devilish said:
well, a couple of months ago I sparred with Adnan myself. He thought that Jon Murtough would revolutionise this club while I was far more pessimistic on the matter. While I believe that we both had decent arguments, my ultimate point is still pretty relevant. United took ages to replace Ole, they wasted an entire January window and despite being nearly in April we've yet to decide whose going to be our new manager for next season. This sound the same sluggish and incompetent United to me.
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Or we’ve agreed but other club doesn’t want us to name while still in a season…

No one on here knows, we’re all guessing with a leaning towards our personal likes / dislikes about the club
 
DeGea’sFeet said:
I voted Ten Hag but something to take note of and maybe an Achilles heel he has and something that has held us back with all our post SAF managers.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ll-news/ten-hag-man-united-solskjaer-23482292
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Sorry but that seems like a ridiculous comparison and it’s a click bait article. Ole would never ever have Ajax competing at the level Ten Hag does. They are just totally different managers in every single way. Ole has hair, that’s the only thing he has over Ten Hag :lol:
 
L1nk said:
Whilst I applaud the club for not rushing into a half baked appointment like previously, the only thing I will beat them with personally is that they could have started this process months ago - considering it's been months since we hired an interim and we knew we wanted a permanent manager for the summer.

Like I said, i'm glad they are doing their due dilligence, I believe the main reason they are doing it though is because I don't think there's one special stand out candidate amongst the ones available. I'm talking the likes of Guardiola, Klopp, Tuchel or Nagelsmann. The options we have available are good, but you can argue for and against for all of them, there isn't 1 single stand out wow candidate that ticks every single box without many caveats in my opinion, as much as I like Ten Hag.
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I'd agree with that.

SirReginald said:
I hope you end up with Lopetegui or Poch but seems unlikely at this point. ETH could be an amazing appointment but all depends on how well the squad can adapt to his style. If he can’t get them playing right he could be another LVG.
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The team were doing what LVG wanted though. His philosophy was the problem. It was boring keep ball for the sake of it.
 
ETH by a nose over Poch at the moment. Poch is getting a bit of a raw deal on the Caf at the moment. But there is no denying that ETH is the more promising candidate as it stands. Luis Enrique would be interesting but I don't see it happening.

As with any managerial appointment the proof of the pudding will be in the eating and whoever gets the job will need a little time to get the personell and coaching correct and gets us playing how they want. Expecting something of a transition next season hopefully we will see some good football and reasons to be hopeful again.
 
If Enrique was actually an option this summer rather than after the WC then I'd probably opt for him. He's not though, so ETH.
 
devilish said:
well, a couple of months ago I sparred with Adnan myself. He thought that Jon Murtough would revolutionise this club while I was far more pessimistic on the matter. While I believe that we both had decent arguments, my ultimate point is still pretty relevant. United took ages to replace Ole, they wasted an entire January window and despite being nearly in April we've yet to decide whose going to be our new manager for next season. This sound the same sluggish and incompetent United to me.
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This. Same people at the helm backing each other up and changing roles. I'm far from convinced
 
Dimitar09 said:
I'd be happy with either Poch or Ten Hagg but think I'd prefer Pochettino.

I just think ten Hag is a bigger gamble.
I know he's done great at Ajax but the step up from the Dutch league to Premier League and in particular to Utd is just enormous.
Completly different ball game managing this Utd team and club compared to Ajax which is so well run, organised and has a great structure which suited him.
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Think if brought in Poch I'd have to take a break from watching United. What's the point when you have no hope.
 
L1nk said:
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I think that's the crux of the matter. If Poch was sacked tomorrow I'm sure he'd be our next manager knowing how he's rated at the club. PSG play hardball. Poch is as good as gone but PSG would rather wait than let him go now. Money is nothing to them but they do like to make examples. Ten Hag if I remember correctly is available for 5m and would have Ajaxs blessing making it an all round easier choice for the club.

If it's going to be announced in the next few weeks then there's no way it's Poch over TH.
 
BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
Or we’ve agreed but other club doesn’t want us to name while still in a season…

No one on here knows, we’re all guessing with a leaning towards our personal likes / dislikes about the club
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Sure but wasting the international break the way we did during the last days of Ole is almost criminal. We sent our manager on a holiday in Norway while the rest of the building was on fire. Then he came back, he lost against Watford in an almost tragic matter and suddenly we discovered that Conte wasn't available anymore and that Rangnick would not be able to bring his coaching staff in.
 
The downside about Enrique is that he will have less time to prepare before the pre season starts due to World Cup. I don’t want my next manager not having enough time to prepare for analysing his squad and new signings.
 
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