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[Cee90]

This seems a bit premature. The club are evidently briefing that ETH is just one of four possible candidates and that there are no front runners at this stage. They also appear to be intent on conducting a proper selection process and interviewing all four (one down, three still to go).

Ten Hag may well get it, but there's nothing to indicate that he has already got it.

I’ve been told by reputable sources that many at Old Trafford consider it a done deal and they would be very surprised if it didn’t happen. I don’t see any reason to doubt it personally especially as I have had reliable info from this source for about a year now.

The rest of the interviews feel a bit like a check box exercise to me. We are doing our due diligence but it’s ETH we want by all accounts.

 

[United in sin]

Enrique has WC with Spain so it would be plain stupid to throw away another season just to get him. Lopetegui is a meh. Good coach but nothing else.
Damn, i can't decide between Poch and ETH or to be precise, i want them both. Win win situation for me

If Enrique is the best candidate the pay off will be worth it don't you think? We're not going to immediately challenge no matter who comes in. I'd rather do it right than do it fast

What’s his in game management like, eg when Ajax are drawing or losing with 20-10 minutes left does he make good subs and tactical changes?

I realise might be hard to answer and that for managers like Ten Hag /Pep etc tactical changes are less noticeable and more subtle eg might involve pushing CB slightly higher, or making the front 3 narrower or wider, CM positional changes etc as opposed to managers like Mourinho where there is a clear change in style when seeking a goal.

He dithers with his subs as mentioned and he rarely diviates from the game plan. What he does is push his CBs higher indeed, almost operating as defensive midfielders. The central midfielder of the three in midfield pushes further up and joins the attack, not acting as a pivot. This is where he pushed Davy Klaassen when Ajax put the sword to Fyenoord in search of the winner in their 3-2 win in their last league game. Hag does like to overload one side when up against the low block, particularly the left. He did this with precision to unlock Fyenoord's stubborn resistance. Fyenoord were forced to neglect their rigid positions and chaos insued.

The fan favourite is Ten Hag, I can't see the Glazers going against the public majority unless he decides against joining us.

Is it about winning the popularity contest or finding the right and best candidate?

 

[Speako]

Imagine the carnage if ETH turns us down. ‘Following my interview, I was concerned with the direction - or lack of - the club was going. I thank them for the offer but unfortunately it’s not for me at this stage of my career’. I wouldn’t know whether to laugh or cry.

 

[Kaos]

Imagine the carnage if ETH turns us down. ‘Following my interview, I was concerned with the direction - or lack of - the club was going. I thank them for the offer but unfortunately it’s not for me at this stage of my career’. I wouldn’t know whether to laugh or cry.

And to follow it up, Poch decides he'd rather stay at PSG, who give him more time, and we end up with Lopetegui

 

[Amadaeus]

Imagine the carnage if ETH turns us down. ‘Following my interview, I was concerned with the direction - or lack of - the club was going. I thank them for the offer but unfortunately it’s not for me at this stage of my career’. I wouldn’t know whether to laugh or cry.

Imagine the carnage if he fails and poch went on to win the Champions League. Many people on here should retire from formulating opinion about football.

I don't think ETH will reject us. He doesn't want to stay at Ajax I believe and no othrr top club wants him unless pep leaves?? Not sure if the report were accurate before

 

[Escobar]

ETH or Enrique for me. Since one has a world cup coming, ETH makes more sense. Poch no way

 

[tomaldinho1]

Well yes I was only throwing that out there as I keep forgetting but I've a terrible memory.

So you are suggesting we wait til Christmas for the new manager? Waiting that long seems like madness to me. Do you rate Enrique that much higher than the other candidates?

Yes I personally think it’s worth it - this is on the assumption he’s actually signed up and it’s 100% done before summer.

Think about it like this, we won’t be challenging next year and it currently looks like we won’t be in the CL, really what we miss out on is pre season and a summer transfer window and that’s about it.We’ll be hoping for top four and pretending the EL isn’t so bad, sobbing everytime we hear the CL music and getting to grips with a big tactical shift. We’ve waited nearly a decade, an extra 6 months is worth it if someone of Enrique’s calibre is available (and committed).

 

[wormdoktor]

A few people have been comparing ETH's potential challenges here with those faced by Klopp in overhauling the Liverpool squad. I wonder how their personalities compare. Klopp comes across as a big, engaging personality, so you can see how he would roll in and shake things up. Do folks have any lead on what ETH's personality is like? Confrontational shouter or shrinking violet? Does this give us a feel for how likely he is to succeed here? Assuming he's fully backed of course.

 

[VidaRed]

How come poch has been reduced too 8 votes ? Don't tell me 8 cafites have propagated the epoch of poch on the caf as the second coming.

A loud dedicated minority has a decent shot at spreading a message over the interwebs.

 

[Withnail]

Yes I personally think it’s worth it - this is on the assumption he’s actually signed up and it’s 100% done before summer.

Think about it like this, we won’t be challenging next year and it currently looks like we won’t be in the CL, really what we miss out on is pre season and a summer transfer window and that’s about it.We’ll be hoping for top four and pretending the EL isn’t so bad, sobbing everytime we hear the CL music and getting to grips with a big tactical shift. We’ve waited nearly a decade, an extra 6 months is worth it if someone of Enrique’s calibre is available (and committed).

I don't see how he's so far ahead of the other candidates that it would be feasible to sacrifice that amount of time.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Imagine the carnage if ETH turns us down. ‘Following my interview, I was concerned with the direction - or lack of - the club was going. I thank them for the offer but unfortunately it’s not for me at this stage of my career’. I wouldn’t know whether to laugh or cry.

If that's what he thinks then he should do it.

 

[Blood Mage]

This is a Leonardo team, coached by Pochettino. Pochettino has asked for more control so they can identify better target than the dysfunctional galaciticos signing Leonardo made. Psg has always been a circus and that is why tuchel came out and said it is easier to managing lukaku than the circus at psg. If psg can aligned their vision with poch, they will see more organizations and structure as he implemented at his previous club. Unlike psg, united doesn't have a Leonardo, plus the players here want Pochettino. So it will be easier to created a more organized club here that will lead us to glory

If the players do want Poch it's because they're lazy, self-serving shits who know that they'll be doing less work under Poch than Ten Hag. So it wouldn't surprise me if that is the case.

Regardless what our players want means jack shit as a large chunk of them don't deserve to play for this club again.

 

[captaincantona]

With regard to ETH possibly turning us down...we may just be lucky when you consider the managerial situation across Europe. You get the impression ETH would shun PSG - unlimited budget and stale competition week in week out. This guy is ready to step up and prove himself. Winning domestically with PSG means fuk all and even if he won the CL the question mark would remain because of the budget. I don’t see it.

The best in Italy (Inter/Juve/Roma/Napoli/AC) are spoken for managerially. He would be made for Barca but Xavi has stepped up. Real are already sounding out their players for next season so it wouldn’t really be “his” project...it doesn’t seem to fit.

I could see him at Bayern, Chelsea or Liverpool but they have their own elite coaches. Even Spurs and Arsenal have good coaches in situ for the short term! Where else does he go? Where else gives him that buzz or that true challenge?

So by sheer process of elimination...I don’t think he has anywhere else to go.I don’t believe the talk of him being tempted by other clubs. Who could they be?

Face it ETH- you need us as much as we need you!

 

[Tom Van Persie]

 

[pascell]

Makes no difference, did the managers of the top 3 teams have PL experience before taking over their clubs?

 

[USREDEVIL]

Makes no difference, did the managers of the top 3 teams have PL experience before taking over their clubs?

Yep. Very simplistic argument. Sam Allardyce has plenty of epl experience...let's go get him.
These are top world class fecking coaches/managers. It's not like they are going from semi pro to the pros. They will take time to adapt, sure, but it probably won't take long. I'd rather give ETH a year or 2 to adapt then be anchored to Poch or someone like that for the foreseeable future.

 

[MrSingh2002]

Rivaldo approves

My all time favourite player saying that...

Now has me sold. Ten Hag IN

 

[Chairman Steve]

It’s an asinine point about ‘Premier League experience’

Antonio Conte with zero Premier League experience took Chelsea from 10th to 1st

David Moyes with a decade of Premier League experience took United from 1st to 7th

 

[Foxbatt]

What do these guys have as a brain? Pep, Klopp and Tuchel never had any experience of the PL before they came to England.

I want ETH as he is the best one and more so because people like Gary Neville and Hughes etc are against him.

 

[Leftback99]

Makes no difference, did the managers of the top 3 teams have PL experience before taking over their clubs?

No and it was reflected in their first season results. Next season is likely to be a rough ride particularly with Ten Hag.

 

[Forevergiggs1]

Why not bring in some of his recommended staff to get the groundwork going this summer if possible? Keep RR on longer. A tournament shouldn't stop the club making the right appointment

Why are people assuming that Enrique will leave the Spanish job after the WC? What if he wins it? Don't you think the Spanish FA would extend his contract? Or even if he has a very good one which is a distinct possibility. Would he even want the United job? There's just to many variables for Enrique to be in the running I'm afraid.

 

[Devil’s Trident]

Oh it hits you so hard like it hit Pep, Klopp and Tuchel. They didn’t know where to hide what to do at all. Before that it hit Conte so hard that he won the league in his first season. Before that it hit Ancelotti, Mourinho, Wenger if we go far back. Funny enough, it also hit Pochettino very hard so much so that it landed him the spurs job.

On Pochettino though, I don’t think we are hiring him. His opportunity is gone. The job was his when Ole was sacked, he should have seen the light and should have resigned from PSG. It was never gonna work for him there. He has no controlling power, no authority, it’s not even his style of football. Then again he showed once more he has no cojones. If things ain’t being done according to you and people don’t respect you there then for god sake have some self respect yourself and resign. Have some balls and fire in your belly and tell them it’s my way or highway. But he just lies down and takes it. Nah, don’t want him as our manager. Weak, coward and docile. A bigger better job was available, an opportunity of a lifetime and he bottled it.

 

[Tarrou]

This is just lies Jose spent nearly as much as Ole, he just kept buying defenders and then wanting more defenders Jose profligacy in the market is why we still need center backs and right backs now.

Look back on his time here and we wasted a lot of money Pogba, Mkthyrian, Dalot, Bailly, Fred, Lukaku, Matic all shite transfers and thats about £340 million down the drain

I'm not disputing he spent a lot on players, or as much as Ole.. just that they refused him at one point, which just goes to show they don't give a shit if the manager is a yes man or not

 

[pascell]

Yep. Very simplistic argument. Sam Allardyce has plenty of epl experience...let's go get him.
These are top world class fecking coaches/managers. It's not like they are going from semi pro to the pros. They will take time to adapt, sure, but it probably won't take long. I'd rather give ETH a year or 2 to adapt then be anchored to Poch or someone like that for the foreseeable future.

No and it was reflected in their first season results. Next season is likely to be a rough ride particularly with Ten Hag.

Like @USREDEVIL says, I'd rather give ten Hag a season or two to adjust than go for Poch.

Going off Hughes' arguement, Poch would be expected to hit the ground running, what happens if we don't even get top 4 his first season?

 

[Flexdegea]

Not really, I like ETH. If you check the original thread, I was one of his first supporters when fans on here didn't even rate him. Look at the first few page of that thread for proof.

I just know that poch is the better choice as he has experience managing egos, playing great football, accomplished in a tough league, and winning trophies at an acceptable level eg, he won both French cup and about to walk the league. Moreover gotten to the semi final of the champion league. Cafe majority is typically wrong as shown with our past manager and the love in for Ole. I am not saying that ETH will not do well here. He might win a few cups and have us playing decent football, but poch will get us to the level closer to sir Alex. That is why he is harder to attain than eth because he is the manager we need.

 

[hobbers]

It's the same vacuous argument that was used for LVG and Mourinho, not because they had Prem experience but because they were experienced in managing big egos and winning titles.

Fat lot of good that experience does when you're past your sell by date as a manager. Forget Poch for a minute, the same people making these inane arguments would tell you Bodgers would be a better hire than ETH because of that oh-so-important Prem experience.

Klopp and Pep and Tuchel didn't need it. Granted it took the former 2 a year or so to adapt. So what? They took over patchy squads at Liverpool and City that took a season or two to sort out, as ETH will be taking over a very patchy squad if he comes here.

 

[Kaos]

As someone who's achieved feck all as a manager in the PL, I wouldn't use his words as gospel.

He'd have probably recommended Moyes if he didn't have that disastrous spell with us.

 

[Andy_Cole]

Mancini might be out of a job.

 

[Kaos]

Mancini might be out of a job.

Sacked by City and now sacked by Italy? Not entirely sure that's the best endorsement for us to abandon our current shortlist and squeeze him in. Think a lot of fans had their heads turned by the Euros, but worse managers have also won that competition.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Mancini might be out of a job.

Decent option tbh.

 

[Trex]

Its because we dont know what we want

Exactly, if we know the direction we want to go, we should know the exact manager that is suitable

 

[Leftback99]

Like @USREDEVIL says, I'd rather give ten Hag a season or two to adjust than go for Poch.

Going off Hughes' arguement, Poch would be expected to hit the ground running, what happens if we don't even get top 4 his first season?

There won't be as much patience form most when it comes to it.

Im not that bothered who we go for, it just makes me laugh how sure people are about Ten Hag. A while ago on here Poch had just as much backing of being the next big thing for us.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Get him and the Red and black scarf

 

[Zoo]

So about those Mancini shouts then.

 

[MonkeysMagic]

The more I hear from ex Utd players that Poch should be the next manager the more I'm convinced that ETH is the wise appointment.

 

[VidaRed]

What do these guys have as a brain? Pep, Klopp and Tuchel never had any experience of the PL before they came to England.

I want ETH as he is the best one and more so because people like Gary Neville and Hughes etc are against him.

Neither did fergie, wenger or fecking mourinho when he first came to chelsea.

How many titles is that between the six of them ?

 

[Andy_Cole]

Neither did fergie, wenger or fecking mourinho when he first came to chelsea.

How many titles is that between the six of them ?

How many PL winning managers had PL experience? Ranieri, Jose in his second stint, Dalglish.

PL winning Managers with no experience:
Ferguson
Wenger
Jose
Mancini
Ancelotti
Conte
Pep
Klopp

So 3/11 managers only.

 

[VidaRed]

How many PL winning managers had PL experience? Ranieri, Jose in his second stint, Dalglish.

PL winning Managers with no experience:
Ferguson
Wenger
Jose
Mancini
Ancelotti
Conte
Pep
Klopp

So 3/11 managers only.

And the trophy count must be even more skewed. Odds are clearly in favour of not having a manager with pl experience if you want to win the title.

 

[golden_blunder]

Imagine the carnage if he fails and poch went on to win the Champions League. Many people on here should retire from formulating opinion about football.

I don't think ETH will reject us. He doesn't want to stay at Ajax I believe and no othrr top club wants him unless pep leaves?? Not sure if the report were accurate before

Why? It’s a gamble whoever we go with

 

[United in sin]

Why are people assuming that Enrique will leave the Spanish job after the WC? What if he wins it? Don't you think the Spanish FA would extend his contract? Or even if he has a very good one which is a distinct possibility. Would he even want the United job? There's just to many variables for Enrique to be in the running I'm afraid.

I'm not assuming or implying he would leave his position with Spain. It's a hypothetical situation, saying united make him the top pick and he agrees, something can be worked out. I'm simply saying the WC shouldn't stop us signing him if both parties agree, and that this talk of wasting a year wouldn't matter if the payoff is long-term success (all things I've mentioned in this thread)