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……because you are not allowed to have your own opinion unless you agree with the poster…….
That was a shared responsibility, but maybe you can shed light or give some context on how he had full control?
Me too
management experience but more importantly it would mean that our manager and both of his assistants are all bald
We should then enforce all players to shave their heads. Ten Hag's Bald Army!
If it's Ten Hag, can he bring Stam in also as a coach so we can see him launch a bunch of these charlatan players.
Pep Guardiola is my idol FC!
I see everyone clamboring for Stam - I'm assuming because he has a bit of a hard man image and such - reality is his stint as a coach/manager has been pretty poor since he started
Poor manager doesn't necessarily mean he'd make a bad coach. McClaren, Queiroz and Meulensteen were all very successful coaches with us, but had poor stints in club management.
Ten Hag worked for PSV in the past. But RvN will not come as an assistant, he thinks he needs more experience as a head coach before becoming head coach of PSV, which is a fair assessment probably.
So much Luis Enrique hype. What was his last job? I kept thinking he won the Euros with Italy but that was Mancini?
But Stam never was a good assistant or coach as well. He dropped out of the coaches course in Holland because he was angry they didn’t make it easier for him.
Ten Hag should get Meulensteen back, he knows everybody at the club, is a good trainer, likes to use video, still lives in the area, has a good connection with Sir Alex and knows Ten Hag as a fellow dutchman, he could help him out big time.
Exactly. There are just so many issues with appointing Enrique I doubt I can even point them out. For one, there is absolutely nothing we can do to tie him down except his good word. Not saying he is a liar or anything, but betting on a good word at this level isn't exactly prudent. What if he says he will come and then he doesn't? What then? What if Spain bomb out so hard out of the WC he decides he needs a break? What if Spain reach the final or win and he decides to continue with Spain until the next Euro? What if another club makes him a better offer in the meantime? Too many "what ifs" here.
But even making him give his good word is a tall order. He will have to agree to the job in secret. But this club draws the media like no other and we are leaking like a sieve right now. Furthermore, not appointing anyone this summer will make it pretty obvious we are waiting for someone. And he is right on top of that list. Which will attract even more media attention. What's his guarantee this won't leak and sabotage his NT work right before the World Cup? None.
So again, we are going to throw away the summer transfer window and the next season on the assumption Enrique might leave Spain and come here? Dumbest idea ever.
Barcelona then Spain, then his little girl got sick and unfortunately died, then eventually he went back to the Spain job.
I want RvP, just to see the look on Ole's face, especially after this comment:
“I don’t know Robin and Robin doesn’t know me,” he said. “He probably doesn’t have a right to criticise my management style and I won’t change. That’s definite. He took my No 20 shirt and that’s probably all he’s going to take from me because I’m not in medieval times [so don’t need to have an angry modus operandi].”
In his interviews after signings he said that he insisted on most of them. For example; he said that he rates Donny highly and Donny said that Ole called him by himself.
Awb and Maguire; you really think that Ed and Glazers would overpay for those two players who are not shiny new toys/poster boys? And Harry even got captain armband after few months.
He was the one who blocked sales of Lingard and Donny too (as both players confirmed). He had more or less full control regarding first team. Incomings, outgoings, contract extensions....
What a twat of a comment. The shirt was never yours, Ole. Coming across as proper small time. Not surprising really considering what a shit manager he is.
Dude was livid! It was one of his weirdest utterences during his time at United and he had plenty
Arguably, Spain played the best football in the Euros. They dominated every team they faced with ease.
I just seen a clip of Mark Goldbridge saying why do we need to interview managers?
How is he claiming to be a fan of the club? how do fans actually think he knows football?
Why have so many fans become ignorant? If you dont agree that Ten Hag should be the next manager means you know nothing about football?
How is he claiming to be a fan of the club? how do fans actually think he knows football?
Why have so many fans become ignorant? If you dont agree that Ten Hag should be the next manager means you know nothing about football?
Barca was great under him. Great mix of possession and direct style
Granted it's a weird quote, but what would RVP be taking from Ole in this scenario? He's gone months
I'm sorry my friend but this isn't saying anything if you're basing it on interviews and things mentioned by players to the press. You've bought into the public perception. I thought you had some insight into the actual recruitment structure behind the scenes, and the scope of Solskjaer's part/role in it.
None of what you mentioned here references any real life role Solskjaer had in the recruitment and decision making process, none of it gives credence to your claims that Solskjaer had full autonomy in this respect, it's merely guesswork from your outside observation. Maguire was scouted by the club during Mourinho's time here for instance and United were in a battle with City for his signature the window he signed. His price was driven up by the competition for his signature and he was seen as England's best and most marketable centerback. Did Solskjaer have direct input in his signing? Sure, probably. Not full control.
Can’t really remember the context but it’s a fair reply from Ole and I cannot see anything wrong with it? Ole has given us so much more memories and good times in the number 20 shirt than Robin ever did. When football fans think of the number 20 United jersey, Ole will always be the one who is associated with it
All Robin said was he wanted to see Ole a bit more angry, because I believe after a heavy loss he was smiling and having a good time and Robin didn't understand that, he didn't exactly rip into Ole or his management style. By all accounts based off of that what Ole said was a real weird comment and pretty unnessecary
I could be wrong on this but from what I've read, there's a sort of a transfer committee. That include scouts, Jon Murtough, Darren Fletcher, data analysts and of course the manager himself whose got a veto. Once this committee had decided the targets then the actual work regarding contracts etc is done by Judge. That would explain why we are so slow on transfers, why we go for the bloody obvious signing (since we need some sort of consensus) and why we handle silly contracts in terms of salaries. If you ask me, by spreading the blame on so many people it gives the club the perfect excuse not to sack anyone which also explains why, despite all this mess, people keep on getting promoted rather then sacked.
In my opinion we need to do two things
A- we need to simplify the system. Such a thing has two key advantages. First of all it would make us more efficient (less overheads) and secondly it would make those involved ACCOUNTABLE.
B- We need people with experience in their actual role. Its ridiculous that a club like United can have a spine (CEO, DOF, Technical director, manager and assistant managers) with no previous top club experience in their role. Which is exactly what we had during Ole's time and to a lesser extent even now
I’m in the minority camp of just not getting the excitement. After Barcelona reserves he failed at Roma, failed at Celta, won at Barca with a front three of Messi, Saurez and Neymar and a (albeit ageing) mid of Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets. Then got knocked out with Spain by Italy. I mean, really? That good?
I can't see it being Stam. RvP makes more sense to me. He shares the same agent as ten Hag.
Haha i remember that bizarre rant. For some reason that really got to him
And what does he even mean with the "medieval times"? Well, i can guess, but it doesn't make any sense what so ever.
What a weird man.
Perfect. I'm aware of this process and I was giving @Andycoleno9 the opportunity to delve deeper into it rather than the surface stuff fans see day to day in the media and draw conclusions from. Adnan has broken it down as well on this forum often.
You're bang on. This process is self serving and does indeed absolve those within it of culpability. The perfect insurance.
The club claims it performed an extensive search for a DoF for instance which supposedly cast it's net far and wide. However it appears what they actually did was devise a plan to restructure the system and promote from within while protecting their own interests and jobs. Different paint but same brush and same scam artists. It truly is still mates FC in a different guise, unless otherwise proven as time goes
I've updated the poll to reflect the widely known 4 man shortlist.
Poor Julen - like the fat kid who always gets picked last in PE
Do other clubs do this shortlisting thing or they just go for the preferred option, I can't remember Liverpool or City shortlisting options for interview before hiring their respective manager.
Maybe we should get Carrick back and have him carry on coaching Fred
Its not exactly the same though isn't it? Carrick was a unique player. He was slightly less elegant then Pirlo was but he compensated to that with fantastic positioning and defensive awareness. Such skills allowed him to be a DM, something the more talented Pirlo could never be. In fact Pirlo always needed a Gattuso or a Vidal alongside him while Carrick could make due with someone who couldn't even tackle. Assuming he can teach such combination of skills to somebody then that somebody can't really be Fred or McT who are B2B players.
Jaap's appointment is different. He shares similar traits to Maguire with the difference that Stam was 20 times the defender Maguire is. Secondly he was a leader at the back. Thirdly he had worked with top top defenders including Maldini, Nesta, Couto, Costacurta, De boer Johnsen and Mihajlovic. He also had managerial experience (although it wasn't that positive) and he worked under some great managers as well in SAF, Ancelotti and Mancini. Such a wealth of knowledge can't be underestimated.
Luis Enrique took over a Celta that finished 17th, avoiding relegation by a single point. In his one and only season in charge, Celta finished 9th. Yup, he failed.
I'd take either of Enrique or ten Hag to be honest, but maybe a little bit more excited by ten Hag, though with Enrique we already know he has the character to take on the job.
Not trying to undermine your post but maybe Celta underachieved when they finished 17th? Lets say if Utd finished 10th or something and the new manager takes them to 6th, it doesn't mean that the new manager was a success.
Would likely mark the end of De Gea if ever we did somehow manage to hire him
Rivaldo approves
De Gea survived LVG era. Infact his best period came under LVG. So he should not have too much issue adapting ETH football.
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