To be honest I think the actually Glazers backed all our managers, they just kept signing shit players. They only told Mourinho to do one when our scouts said Maguire would be a shit signing, only for Solskjaer to ask for him the next summer anyway.
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Told us he wasn't interested and the lack of English was a problem too.
Pretty sure a club has to give permission otherwise it's going against their contract. Pochettino would have to quit and lose a shit tonne of money. (which I guess we'd have to cover)
If they did give permission then we'd have to work out a big compensation package. Either way Poch will cost a LOT more than ETH.
Thank you. This is the root of my skepticism. The club first announced it's plans to move to the director of football structure a few years ago and after a supposed extensive search that involved looking at exterior options Woodward made the internal appointment of Murtough.
I will give the man and his team (composed of individuals who have also been part of the same failed regime) time to prove me wrong but it smacks of Glazers pulling the wool over our eyes. The approach may be different but the players are the same. I can't hope for too much to change but again, time will reveal all
Stam, I hope
This idea of yes men is so odd. Most managers in the world are yes men. Klopp is very much a 'yes man' in that he doesn't criticise the ownership. There have been a fair few windows when he's plainly said they don't have the money, but he hasn't thrown his toys out the pram. Pep has been backed but there have been a few times where the club weren't willing to sanction the fees we were paying for players instead, did he complain? Is Nagelsmann famously someone who rocks the boat? Ancelotti? I mean Ferguson never criticised the ownership over the lack of funding towards the end.
People looked at Tuchel as someone who has fights with the board - he got his players sold from under him at Dortmund and its looking like the board/DoF at PSG are awful to work with to the point that Leonardo is probably getting the sack. Conte is famously someone who 'holds his club to the task' but in reality all that means is he mentally checked out when Chelsea failed to buy him Lukaku. And Jose is jose is jose.
People looked at Tuchel as someone who has fights with the board - he got his players sold from under him at Dortmund and its looking like the board/DoF at PSG are awful to work with to the point that Leonardo is probably getting the sack. Conte is famously someone who 'holds his club to the task' but in reality all that means is he mentally checked out when Chelsea failed to buy him Lukaku. And Jose is jose is jose.
He's a coach at Feyenoord. Same agent as ten Hag.
Has anyone mentioned Raimond van der Gouw yet? He is PSV goalkeeper coach currently.
Take all 3.
I don't know which thread is apt for asking this question but when LVG joined, and I'm not arguing that he did well for, you could quickly see the style of football /system he wanted to implement. We became much more comfortable pretty quickly after he took over (but couldn't score). How come this hasn't happened with Rangnick? Barring 30 mins in the fist game the impact has been very slight. Is it because he's obviously not a legendary coach that LVG is, or is the squad that difficult now or is Rangnicks style not really that distinct to stand out quickly?
Edit: or maybe due to him joining mid collapse season
And connecting that to ETH is he extremely tactics heavy / has a strong vision that we can expect to, if nothing else, see a drastic change in how we play? As I'll be honest I have no big negatives about hoe we have played under Rangnick but I've been surprised by how generic our footy has been.
Edit: or maybe due to him joining mid collapse season
And connecting that to ETH is he extremely tactics heavy / has a strong vision that we can expect to, if nothing else, see a drastic change in how we play? As I'll be honest I have no big negatives about hoe we have played under Rangnick but I've been surprised by how generic our footy has been.
Mentions Rodgers and then says can we survive another Horrific managerial appointment
It beggars belief
You cannot compare. I don't know of many managers going for interviews without their clubs knowledge.
PSG and Spain will not allow those two to go imo.
RvN is favourite for the PSV job in the summer, can't see him taking an assistant/another coach position now.
Are we sure a football club can stop a manager speaking to other clubs or attending interviews? Should it even be any of their business?
I’d take Stam and Van Nistelrooy together. One to scare the shit out of them, and the other to teach them how to stick the ball in the net!
Dof would select players for in and out transfers with ETH having final say. All clubs outside England work like that. It is standard setup. But for that, you must have excellent DoF.
It’s the right decision to hire ETH over Poch but I just hope that the fans are aware what kind of deal we are making here. I just can’t shake the feeling that fans will start to moan and complain soon about the football ten hag will try to impose. I’m saying that because ten hag system although seems simple yet it’s complex that based on space creation whose main components are movements and circulation of the ball along with positioning, quick transition and interchange of play with the whole team working in unison which needs not only technical players but also players with intelligence and good IQ. Whilst I do think people know about all these things yet I’m skeptical about the most important factor that is patience.
It’s a system which is not easy to employ especially to a team or a club which is alien to it completely. Along with the astute signings which would take time, the current crop of players may take even longer time to adapt to the intricacies and nuances of the system and until then and make no mistake the football will look boring, hopeless, clunky and ineffective abit like Van Gaal’s. And fans suffering from PTSD from his football might have to think twice because that’s the kind of compromise we have to make here. My fear is that fans would be patient to a point but if it takes abit longer say even after a season the football is dull, the patience would evaporate quickly and given that ETH doesn’t have the glittering CV to fall upon there would be no mercy.
It’s a high risk high reward transaction. Whist fans are excited by the rewards and rightly so they do have to analyse and realise the risks also and whether they are prepared to suffer maybe for a while. It took pep one full season to implement his football and city had everything for him from top to bottom to implement his style and that’s not even a good example. For us it would be much much longer and I hope fans adjust their expectations accordingly and analyse the progress not based on results but on the performances that might come slowly but if it does head in the right direction, will come surely.
Having said all that, I hope the transition is smooth and ETH and the club adapt quickly to each other because I do believe it’s a change that’s required and I do believe he is a manager that can transform. Fingers crossed.
And sorry for the long post.
It’s a system which is not easy to employ especially to a team or a club which is alien to it completely. Along with the astute signings which would take time, the current crop of players may take even longer time to adapt to the intricacies and nuances of the system and until then and make no mistake the football will look boring, hopeless, clunky and ineffective abit like Van Gaal’s. And fans suffering from PTSD from his football might have to think twice because that’s the kind of compromise we have to make here. My fear is that fans would be patient to a point but if it takes abit longer say even after a season the football is dull, the patience would evaporate quickly and given that ETH doesn’t have the glittering CV to fall upon there would be no mercy.
It’s a high risk high reward transaction. Whist fans are excited by the rewards and rightly so they do have to analyse and realise the risks also and whether they are prepared to suffer maybe for a while. It took pep one full season to implement his football and city had everything for him from top to bottom to implement his style and that’s not even a good example. For us it would be much much longer and I hope fans adjust their expectations accordingly and analyse the progress not based on results but on the performances that might come slowly but if it does head in the right direction, will come surely.
Having said all that, I hope the transition is smooth and ETH and the club adapt quickly to each other because I do believe it’s a change that’s required and I do believe he is a manager that can transform. Fingers crossed.
And sorry for the long post.
He totally had.
Rangnick is not a great coach. There’s a reason LVG got all those top jobs and Rangnick did not. Simple. RR it appears is more of a club builder than a coach.
This is just lies Jose spent nearly as much as Ole, he just kept buying defenders and then wanting more defenders Jose profligacy in the market is why we still need center backs and right backs now.
Look back on his time here and we wasted a lot of money Pogba, Mkthyrian, Dalot, Bailly, Fred, Lukaku, Matic all shite transfers and thats about £340 million down the drain
Bbbbbbbbut mates FC??! Am I right? Or is that tagline exclusive for the British players?
No, it's exclusive to dumb decisions and self-imposed strawman arguments by people like you.
Fans will complain so you might as well take your worry off to place on something that's actually avoidable. People still yell "shooot" anytime the ball drops to anyone 25 yards from goal. System football will always look boring to some and tbf I guess there's no right or wrong way to be entertained.
Lvg is/was a world class coach and one of best ever tactically wise. That guy, in 90s, built one of best teams in history of football. And not with huge spending like Pep or Klopp are doing.
This is not popular opinion and i am risking dozen angry replies but LVG was perfect choice when we hired him and if he had freedom on transfer market like we gave to Solskjaer, things would have been much different.
Excellent post, let’s hope Ralf has kind of started that implementation so it’s not a complete standing start for Ten Hag.
Ten Hag and Jaap Stam. Like Phil and Grant walking into carrington.
Stam is going to sprain his mind trying to sort our defence out, mind.
Stam is going to sprain his mind trying to sort our defence out, mind.
To be fair, I was originally trying to point out that all of the key decision makers behind the scenes are yes men rather than the managers. Then I remembered we had hired Ole. The club had openly said they would do a thorough search process for the new permanent manager then as you say, they rode the wave of euphoria and Woody got a woody and hired him. I do believe it was a lazy and easy appointment for the board to make, I think there were other forces at play as well such as nostalgia and Fergie. I will agree though, we can’t prove that he was a yes man, if anything it was more nepotism.
Yeah there was certainly no extensive search
As you say, time will tell. I think the reassuring thing for us is that they won’t be given another 9 years if we keep operating the same way. Fans are at breaking point and the board will have to turn things around quickly this time.
He making zero sense.
I absolutely despise the glazer's, but the yes man and the whole cheap angle doesn't exactly weigh up at the moment. The wastage, of the club's money I must say, has been immense and they hired LVG and Jose, defo not yes men
Knickers well and truly twisted.
Likely scenario, he finishes after the World Cup then takes over from Guardiola in the summer when he leaves
Are we still saying Jose didn't get the backing ? Seriously guys ? Guy signed Bailly, Lindelof and still asked for Maguire. WTF ?
Fred was the only exception that he didn't want and we signed.
Fred was the only exception that he didn't want and we signed.
Also, you don't just mix and match Ajax and PSV staff. If Ole had set the world alight in the last 3 years and Real was poaching him off us this summer would anyone be expecting him to bring Jamie Carragher and John Terry along to be part of his coaching staff?
You make even less sense than the other guy. Expecting you to get another award for 2022.
If you read it again everything before "it doesn't make a lot of sense really, does it?" is their interpretation of the previous post.
Spain doesn't take kindly to NT managers signing contracts and making promises while still employed. So we are going to throw an entire season away and the summer transfer window on the off chance Enrique might choose to come here in 2023? Yeah, I don't think so.
Ten Hag will probably be a distant dream and nothing more. Its Uniteds board we are talking about here. They will probably wait for Poch and even pay PSG a compensation for him 
Yeah the whole Lopetegui incident pretty much rules out Enrique and Lopetegui can’t be a serious target if the 2 front runners are available.
Not sure why there is a need to interview Poch. If we know that ETH has what we are looking for then it’s not like a chat with Poch is gonna trump that. Think it’s quite indecisive again to be fair.
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