Next permanent manager | Poll updated

Who should be the next permanent manager?

  • Luis Enrique

    Votes: 113 7.4%
  • Erik ten Hag

    Votes: 1,300 84.7%
  • Julen Lopetegui

    Votes: 10 0.7%
  • Mauricio Pochettino

    Votes: 79 5.1%
  • None of the above

    Votes: 32 2.1%

  • Total voters
    1,534
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The story goes that back in 2019 when Fletcher was still a player and playing for Stoke alongside an 18 yr old Irish defender Nathan Collins who impressed Fletcher, he apparently recommended the club take a look at him.

Fairly standard stuff and hardly a black mark against his name. It's laughable this was brought up as a negative.
Oh ffs, get him out of the club!!! Mates FC.
 
My only concern with the above tweet is about recruitment. Will he not have a say on who comes into the club and who goes out? I agree about the Enrique he's told them no point to interview him.
 
So surely it’s a waste of time interviewing Enrique then

I'd interview him anyway. He could have some interesting ideas and offer some insight that they can use in discussions with other managers. At the very worst you've built up a relationship and it was just bad timing so you could come back for him later.
 
So what is the identity of these two other clubs in Europe who want to appoint ETH as manager and are 'Champions league clubs with chances to win their leagues this year' then?
 
Poch is behind Zidane in the polls here. If Zidane is not an option, where will those who prefer Zidane will shift?
 
No, I must admit I dont get an extensive knowledge about the club like you do, from bits here and there. Like when you read somewhere Fletcher recommended a player from Stoke so you got all you need to know about him and his job at the club.

That’s nice. But what do you do??

Where do you get your information from. For instance someone says Fletcher is rubbish. You say why should I believe you?

Where does the why should I believe you confidence come from considering you don’t know anything.

I mean I knew about the Stoke defender at the time it was mentioned. But it was still blurry as to did I remember it correctly. But just for you.. I did a quick Google search and what do you know articles on articles… Maybe it’s just old University tactics. Did you ever do a dissertation?
 
That’s nice. But what do you do??

Where do you get your information from. For instance someone says Fletcher is rubbish. You say why should I believe you?

Where does the why should I believe you confidence come from considering you don’t know anything.

I mean I knew about the Stoke defender at the time it was mentioned. But it was still blurry as to did I remember it correctly. But just for you.. I did a quick Google search and what do you know articles on articles… Maybe it’s just old University tactics. Did you ever do a dissertation?
'Quick google search.'

:lol: :lol: :lol:

You're so over the place. I thought left wing caf stuff from yesterday was a pinnacle but you go on. Next thing you'll ask to allow you.
 

So recruitment will be left to the same people that thought it was okay to spend 150m on AWB and Maguire. Oh lord, we get to look forward to watching donkeys try to play tiki taka. Everyone who sat at those meetings need to be marginalised going forward. They have no clue how to recruit for an attacking team with a highly technical playstyle. Will end up looking like stoke trying to emulate Barca and said committee will blame ETH thinking they gave him good tools to work with.
 
So recruitment will be left to the same people that thought it was okay to spend 150m on AWB and Maguire. Oh lord, we get to look forward to watching donkeys try to play tiki taka. Everyone who sat at those meetings need to be marginalised going forward. They have no clue how to recruit for an attacking team with a highly technical playstyle.
Ole is no longer here who had full control of transfers and Murtough wasn't the football director then. Different chief executive too.
 
Ole is no longer here who had full control of transfers and Murtough wasn't the football director then. Different chief executive too.

I was about to say there's been a fair bit of restructuring since then. Besides, it's a bit of an odd criticism given one of the problems back then was that the manager had too much of a say and had his own scout, independent of the club's.
 
I was about to say there's been a fair bit of restructuring since then. Besides, it's a bit of an odd criticism given one of the problems back then was that the manager had too much of a say and had his own scout, independent of the club's.
Exactly. We were criticized for years for having an outdated structure. That report should be seen as good news.
 
Ole is no longer here who had full control of transfers and Murtough wasn't the football director then. Different chief executive too.
I mentioned no names for a reason, It was a transfer committee therefore the right approach imo is to hold everyone jointly responsible not pick and choose which of our favourite actors to spare from accountability. Phelan for instance was reported to be a big part of our transfer strategy that summer so he too will bare responsibility, not just Ole. Not keen on getting into singular name blaming for decisions we already know were made by committee, especially because many now bizarrely want to exclude their favorite exec figure from responsibility for the last 3 years. They are all accountable.
 
So recruitment will be left to the same people that thought it was okay to spend 150m on AWB and Maguire. Oh lord, we get to look forward to watching donkeys try to play tiki taka. Everyone who sat at those meetings need to be marginalised going forward. They have no clue how to recruit for an attacking team with a highly technical playstyle. Will end up looking like stoke trying to emulate Barca and said committee will blame ETH thinking they gave him good tools to work with.

If everyone who sat at the meetings for Brendan Rodgers' awful purchases at Liverpool had been marginalised then they wouldn't have had the success they did with Klopp.

Tarring everyone with the same brush (including those who were only recently appointed to their roles) is immensely counter-productive.
 
Could Enrique do a job share for 3 months? If you think he’s the right guy surely a compromise could be found?

Just keep Ralph in the managers job until after the world cup. I'm sure Enrique can let the club know which players he would like signed whilst he continues his job as national team coach. He is best candidate I think and worth waiting for.
 
Its strange people cant let go of their opinion they had 15 years ago though if that's the case.
As for frustration I get it but even when there's something positive happening and its not a lot it gets buried under pile of negative stuff and simply bashing of ex player, Fletcher being an example.
Absolutely!
Woodward no longer being involved and his replacements making a conscious effort to do stuff in a non-Woodward way is sufficient for me to feel at least a little bit more positive :)
 
Allow me!! :lol::lol:

I told you Ole would undo all his good work the longer he stayed. I’m like a stupid genius.

You did :lol:

I'm still not sure what the Fletcher hullabaloo is all about. He's got a good reputation from what I've seen and heard and the club obviously see something in him. I know it's likely that because of all of the other crap that's gone on, this is seen as more of the same (nepotism/mates fc blah blah) but I don't believe he's done anything to warrant the stick he's getting. Once the new manager comes in, he can go back to the day job and something else can boil piss on match day.

(The famous Stoke player is still only a 20yr old CB now. He's in the PL and just breaking into the Burnley team. Although, this was around the time of the Giggs/Dan James thing so it could well have been the mail putting two and two together and coming up with 5).

Anyway, who are we interviewing next?
 
If everyone who sat at the meetings for Brendan Rodgers' awful purchases at Liverpool had been marginalised then they wouldn't have had the success they did with Klopp.

Tarring everyone with the same brush (including those who were only recently appointed to their roles) is immensely counter-productive.
This is just dodging what was said in that post. We're not talking about the tea lady who was brought in yesterday or someone who walked into the room to adjust the AC. This is about the people involved in the transfer committee being discredited over an egregiously terrible transfer policy.
 
You did :lol:

I'm still not sure what the Fletcher hullabaloo is all about. He's got a good reputation from what I've seen and heard and the club obviously see something in him. I know it's likely that because of all of the other crap that's gone on, this is seen as more of the same (nepotism/mates fc blah blah) but I don't believe he's done anything to warrant the stick he's getting. Once the new manager comes in, he can go back to the day job and something else can boil piss on match day.

(The famous Stoke player is still only a 20yr old CB now. He's in the PL and just breaking into the Burnley team. Although, this was around the time of the Giggs/Dan James thing so it could well have been the mail putting two and two together and coming up with 5).

Anyway, who are we interviewing next?
Impossible! He's an ex United player. :nono:

It will be interesting to see if Fletcher continues in the technical director role beyond next season. There were some rumours that long term he wanted to get into coaching.
 
This is just dodging what was said in that post. We're not talking about the tea lady who was brought in yesterday or someone who walked into the room to adjust the AC. This is about the people involved in the transfer committee being discredited over an egregiously terrible transfer policy.

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

Liverpool had a much-derided transfer committee during Rodgers' reign. And the people who formed that comittee were subsequently the architects of their success under Klopp, from appointing him to recruiting for him. If they had marginalised the entire committee, that wouldn't have happened.
 
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If everyone who sat at the meetings for Brendan Rodgers' awful purchases at Liverpool had been marginalised then they wouldn't have had the success they did with Klopp.

Tarring everyone with the same brush (including those who were only recently appointed to their roles) is immensely counter-productive.

It's feckin insane is what it is.
 
So what is the identity of these two other clubs in Europe who want to appoint ETH as manager and are 'Champions league clubs with chances to win their leagues this year' then?

Inter? Juventus? Would think they're quite happy with their managers. PSG if Poch goes.
 
That's exactly what I'm talking about.

Liverpool had a much-derided transfer committe during Rodgers' reign. And the people who formed that comittee were subsequently the architects of their success under Klopp, from appointing him to recruiting for him. If they had marginalised the entire committe, that wouldn't have happened.
I get what you're saying because it ultimately boils down to anyone who has made bad decisions can redeem themselves later. I get that, so what about Woodward? Should we also have extended that policy to him? No one knows who's going to redeem themselves later but that doesn't mean backing everyone who has screwed up to turn good. Sometimes the scale of a screw up tells you all you need to know about its decision maker. Redemption is actually very very rare.
 
You aren't even making any sense no more.

The hell with Murtough :lol:

You literally haven't a clue what his Job or role is or has been, or his past achievements, but he a yes man and political mouthpiece......literally just making it up at the moment.

Basically anyon employed at the club is a yes man going by your logic here

To be fair to the poster, he has a right to be skeptical. Murtough was an internal promotion despite having a good track record.

Who have the Glazers appointed that isn’t a yes man? Ralf is the first visible one I think and I don’t think he counts because he hasn’t been given any decision making power.

Woodward, the Glazers banker was allowed to facilitate the total decline of our club for 9 years. We have then replaced him with Arnold another internal appointment who may have his own ideas but will very much tow the line for the Glazers if required.

It worries me the club is so scared of allowing external candidates into the club, it seems the right person for them isn’t who has the best CV but rather who will follow their instructions.
 
To be fair to the poster, he has a right to be skeptical. Murtough was an internal promotion despite having a good track record.

Who have the Glazers appointed that isn’t a yes man? Ralf is the first visible one I think and I don’t think he counts because he hasn’t been given any decision making power.

Woodward, the Glazers banker was allowed to facilitate the total decline of our club for 9 years. We have then replaced him with Arnold another internal appointment who may have his own ideas but will very much tow the line for the Glazers if required.

It worries me the club is so scared of allowing external candidates into the club, it seems the right person for them isn’t who has the best CV but rather who will follow their instructions.

Mourinho and LVG
 
Mourinho and LVG

Good points but look what happened, they regretted that as both managers complained about transfers and funds. They then reverted back to a yes man. They hired Ole who wouldn’t be given a job by any other premier league club, he was so thankful and would never speak against them.

I hope they have learnt their lesson and realise that whilst they can have a few yes man, they need a healthy balance of people who can actually do the job
 
Indeed that’s how it’s gonna be, they use the ball rotation to create openings. That’s how the Dutch and more so Ajax philosophy is. I just hope he is able to sign the right players for his system unlike LVG. Van Gaal philosophy was correct but his mistake was not able to sign the right players for his style. Wingers are very crucial IMO to take on the defender, beat a man and creating spaces. Also the fullbacks are very important to overlap, decoy runs, and openings for it to work. If not then it’s gonna seem boring and it would be just pass, pass and pass. But to be totally honest I wouldn’t mind that even if it seems boring. I’m sick of us being totally outplayed, not able to control a game, playing like underdogs and panicking when we have keep the ball.

If we do hire ETH then the first thing the club should do is to get some good fullbacks and wingers. Shaw and telles maybe fine but Awb and dalot just won’t work. Same goes for the RW position. I hope we sign a good RB and either Raphinha or Antony for RW. Ironically for the striker position I think ten hag would love Ronaldo not because he is Ronaldo but because of his runs, finishing and creating spaces for others to exploit.

You're describing exactly what happened at Atlanta United during Frank De Boer's brief time there after he lost stock among European clubs. The possession based football he brought was slow and absolutely tumescent
 
Good points but look what happened, they regretted that as both managers complained about transfers and funds. They then reverted back to a yes man. They hired Ole who wouldn’t be given a job by any other premier league club, he was so thankful and would never speak against them.

I hope they have learnt their lesson and realise that whilst they can have a few yes man, they need a healthy balance of people who can actually do the job

they hired Mourinho and told him to get fecked when he asked for more money to spend

so they hired Ole instead, because he was yes man, and backed him to the hilt

it doesn't make a lot of sense really, does it?

this idea that they hire managers based on whether they are yes men or not is just silly mate

they own the club, they have all the power no matter what.. and they hire managers based on whether they think they'll be good managers or not
 
Good points but look what happened, they regretted that as both managers complained about transfers and funds. They then reverted back to a yes man. They hired Ole who wouldn’t be given a job by any other premier league club, he was so thankful and would never speak against them.

I hope they have learnt their lesson and realise that whilst they can have a few yes man, they need a healthy balance of people who can actually do the job

I'm finding your Yes man/No man theory quite a shallow analysis of what went on. LVG and Mourinho didn't fail because they weren't yes men. They were over the hill and passed it as managers. They didn't or weren't going to make top 4 so they were fired like everyone else. Also Ole wasn't hired for that reason either. Everyone got giddy after his initial run and Ed jumped onboard the PR train. Hopefully with Ed gone and a proper structure, decisions like that should be a thing of the past.

I'm choosing to believe we've learned our lessons, for now.
 
Zidane seems to have disappeared from the Earth. He was a favorite at some point.
 
they hired Mourinho and told him to get fecked when he asked for more money to spend

so they hired Ole instead, because he was yes man, and backed him to the hilt

it doesn't make a lot of sense really, does it?

this idea that they hire managers based on whether they are yes men or not is just silly mate

they own the club, they have all the power no matter what.. and they hire managers based on whether they think they'll be good managers or not
You’re wrong. Joel Glazer totally told Woodward that he wants a manager who when asked if we should spend 130m on Harry Maguire and AWB they say yes.
 
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