Next permanent manager | Poll updated

Who should be the next permanent manager?

  • Luis Enrique

    Votes: 113 7.4%
  • Erik ten Hag

    Votes: 1,300 84.7%
  • Julen Lopetegui

    Votes: 10 0.7%
  • Mauricio Pochettino

    Votes: 79 5.1%
  • None of the above

    Votes: 32 2.1%

  • Total voters
    1,534
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I can't see PSG allowing us permission to interview their manager. They've made it clear he won't be leaving.

I suspect we are just saying the process will continue to give ETH and Rangnick some time to finish the season without questions every week.
 
I can't see PSG allowing us permission to interview their manager. They've made it clear he won't be leaving.

I suspect we are just saying the process will continue to give ETH and Rangnick some time to finish the season without questions every week.

This is what I choose to believe too.
 
I think potchettino has a few negatives against him, he isn't that type of coach with a high enough reputation that he can draw players in to coming to his club to play under him and the other issue is I think he needs his clubs that he manages to have a well laid out footballing structure going on behind the scenes like he did seem to have at Southampton and spurs.

You could argue ten hag is the same in that he has been blessed to be at club like ajax that have a great footballing structure at club, something united do not have. But I can imagine ten hag would have that ability to draw players into wanting to play for him because he is currently seen as the next potential world class manager that plays style that players enjoy being a involved in
 
I can't see PSG allowing us permission to interview their manager. They've made it clear he won't be leaving.

I suspect we are just saying the process will continue to give ETH and Rangnick some time to finish the season without questions every week.
Very good point, although would PSG need to give permission?
 
Mate, I enjoy your write ups. Keep it up! But you are wasting your time here. You are talking to Amadeus' alt account most likely.
Thanks for the kind words mate, but I just thought I'd try to reason with the poster in question because he/she is fairly new on the forum and unlike others who have decided to die on the hill, the poster in question might be someone I can reason with.

I have no issues with anyone that's sceptical about the club, because paranoia has taken a grip of many fans who are now attacking anything and everyone associated to the club. There's some posters on this forum that have been on here for almost two decades, but the amount of nonsense they consistently spew about the club couldn't be further from the truth. These are the same posters who had AWB in their all time EPL squads and I see the same posters now attack the club for signing AWB. These are the same posters who know very little about how a football structure operates in a holistic way and can't look past the rise of the DoF at the sugar daddy club. The likes of Liverpool and Bayern would never have reached the heights that they've reached with Edwards and Salihamidzic if some of the opinions shared on here were to go by.
 
The interview was definitely done with Ajax's permission



Helps to keep a good relationship with clubs

I do wonder if Enrique will entertain this and I also imagine PSG will play hardball in us trying to approach Poch too. I imagine Lopetegui will be spoken too but can anyone seriously see him being our manager, even if he does impress at an interview?

I think it will be similar to appointing Rangnick, going through the formalities to appoint the guy we always wanted (ETH in this case).
 
It couldn't be more obvious that the board want Poch and are just waiting to see if PSG sack him so they can swoop and save money.
 
One thing I will say is that all young players benefit enormously from having a standardized system to stick to. The reason I imagine is when you are making a step up, there is a huge difference between reserves/first team. As such, most players have 0 experience and 0 mental clarity as to what they are supposed to do on a bigger stage. Having a proven system will make this transition a lot easier as it eliminates the uncertainty that comes from lack of experience at the top level. It's a lot easier when you constantly know what to do, as opposed to constantly making decisions on how to progress the play.

That's why LVG was so good with youth. He had a "system" where the likes of McNair, Blacket, Varela all looked decent for a good amount of time.

Now imagine how players like Amad, Pellistri, Laird, Hannibal, Shoretire, Elanga and even Savage would benefit by being coached by ETH.
I completely agree, and it creates a stability on the pitch, which can only help a young player, rather than the chaos we've experienced for far too long at United.

But the difference is that attacking football can be developed in a few different ways. We can go the high energy route where we look to fast transition via the wide receivers and hence by-pass the midfield and use our midfielders to win the ball back high up the pitch. In such a approach, players with high energy like the McFred duo are important due to their energy levels in midfield and playing through or around the opposition isn't of paramount importance. Pochettino had Wanyama and Sissoko in midfield for that exact reason.

Then on the other hand one can approach the game by looking to control the defensive transitions and offensive transitions by implementing positional play both in and out of possession. But it's what this approach requires in possession, which is important. And if you look at our best youth players both still in the reserves/academy or out on loan, then it's very clear that they're players of potentially a high technical level. And these players are more suited to a coach who looks to implement positional play on the ball, rather than a coach who looks to by-pass the midfield with two high energy players in deeper midfield areas. It's why Rangnick prefers playing Elanga and hasn't yet introduced Hannibal, because Hannibal even though he's someone of a high work rate, is a player of a technical profile. And Rangnick placing heavy emphasis on counter pressing has shown that he prefers his deeper midfielders to be of the high energy variety, like we saw at RB Leipzig, where under him they had the likes of Laimer, Demme and Sabitzer as the players who weren't there to necessarily create in possession but to help the team win the ball back quickly via the counter press .

And according to reports, the 4 candidates for the role are EtH, Enrique, Pochettino and Lopetegui. But who is the odd one out in this reported list, stylistically? The odd one out is Pochettino, because unlike the other 3 coaches who adhere to the positional play principles whilst not sacrificing the counter press. Pochettino doesn't adhere to the positional play principles on the ball and hence like Rangnick, prefers his teams to get from A-Z without placing heavy emphasis on controlling the build up phase.

And it's for that reason I believe someone like a Erik ten Hag would potentially be a better fit for us if the mid to long-term is also factored into our thinking. And I personally prefer watching football that promotes technical play without sacrificing the high intensity, rather than sacrificing the technical aspects for a approach centred around winning the ball back quickly.
 
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In your opinion. I rate Pochettino solely on the work done at Tottenham and Southampton, what happens at PSG is another sport, it’s showbiz. Ferguson wouldn’t last there for three weeks, he’d be sick and tired of everything. Ten Hag is a manager for a superior team in a semi-professional league, huge question-marks over his true ability to do the same in the biggest league in the world. Going from easy to extremely difficult and ten times the pressure from media, everyone, as well as moving to a new country and culture.. again, nothing is certain with ETH.

Pep’s only managerial experience was with Barca B before he got the Barca job. That’s an even bigger step than Ajax to us.
From what we’ve seen from Xavi, he looks to have steered Barca in the right direction, with his only previous experience with a club in Qatar.
We had proven managers in Mourinho and LvG, and we cant say they were successes.
So nothing is a guarantee until one is given the opportunity.
 
This seems a bit premature. The club are evidently briefing that ETH is just one of four possible candidates and that there are no front runners at this stage. They also appear to be intent on conducting a proper selection process and interviewing all four (one down, three still to go).

Ten Hag may well get it, but there's nothing to indicate that he has already got it.

Looks to me like the club are worried that the press are getting a sense he has the job so are trying to throw them off the scent by talking up other candidates
 
In your opinion. I rate Pochettino solely on the work done at Tottenham and Southampton, what happens at PSG is another sport, it’s showbiz. Ferguson wouldn’t last there for three weeks, he’d be sick and tired of everything. Ten Hag is a manager for a superior team in a semi-professional league, huge question-marks over his true ability to do the same in the biggest league in the world. Going from easy to extremely difficult and ten times the pressure from media, everyone, as well as moving to a new country and culture.. again, nothing is certain with ETH.

You're completely correct that it's only my opinion. No question about that whatsoever.

Yet it cannot be denied that Pochettino manages a club in a Mickey Mouse league, but look at the mess he's made of a squad with names like Neymar, Mbappe and Verratti...with Messi for icing on the cake. Sorry, but his work at PSG does not inspire a lot of confidence.

It's fair to argue that Ten Hag has not won a major trophy in a top league but the work he has done at Ajax blows away the work Poch has done at PSG. But what about the work Poch did in the PL? Spurs ran him out of town, did it not? His work at Southampton was impressive, but Southampton does not aspire to the same level of greatness as Manchester United.

Nothing is certain with any new manager. As everyone here knows, even Ferguson was on extremely thin ice at one point. But looking at the state of being of these two managers we would be out of out minds to pass up on Ten Hag. That's not to say that he will guarantee success...but apart from the two foot putt he'll deliver in about six weeks, what success has Pochettino ever delivered?
 
The only thing that should give anyone at the club pause for thought over hiring ETH is if Luis Enrique said he wanted to come and manage us after the world cup.

But even then I think I'd take the bigger gamble on ETH, and if it doesnt work out a couple of years down the line hope Enrique is available.

Like that way of thinking
 
It couldn't be more obvious that the board want Poch and are just waiting to see if PSG sack him so they can swoop and save money.

The thought of him becoming available on the market gives me nightmares, especially with Fergie probably involved
 
I just hope it doesn’t turn out like Van Gaal.

He was obsessed with getting his team to pass pass pass, that they forgot how to even shoot and score, in the end!
 
I can’t honestly explain the specifics of Fletchers role or how influential he is or has been since he got the job. My only concern with him is that RR doesn’t know what he does. The man being paid to restructure the club.

If a regular business hires auditors to begin a restructure, the one thing a manager would be worrying about is proving their worth and what they do is worth keeping.

So being seen to put cones out at training (I believe is what he said) as a senior (titled) position should really send alarm bells. But the structure of the club itself hasn’t been great since Gill was replaced by Woodward.

If you want a close comparison in the premier league, Cech has a job title of “Technical Director” similar to that of Fletcher. He works with the first team and the boardroom, getting involved in club politics. Even temporarily un retiring to support the team. Yet there’s never been a question mark on what he does or doesn’t do.
Not this again. Rangnick as well as journalists have all said he's only spent his time at the club so far dealing with the first team. Fletcher's job includes both the first team and the youth teams. Rangnick was exactly right to not know what Fletcher does outside of assisting him in the first team because he quite literally hasn't involved himself in any other aspect of the club. His entire focus so far has been trying to get the club to top 4.

And he didn't say Fletcher puts out the cones. It was a more general answer about him being another coach for him which he said he's glad for. He appreciates Fletcher being there for him.
 
RVP is a coach too I think. Can't think of anyone else who'd fit the bill.
Id say RVN has more experience as a coach but is arguably closer to the top position at PSV and is likely to get it because Schmidt is leaving at the end of the season so I wonder if RVN will drop that to come to United. I’d say RVP is much more likely but would love to see Ruud back here as a coach
 
The below from the Paul Hirst article is very important imo. And should be among the criterion for the next appointment.

Paul Hirst: "Ten Hag has made a good start in stating his case, however. The 52-year-old Dutchman is said to have spoken well during his interview and United think the fact that Ajax’s system, which leaves the manager to coach the team rather than be responsible for recruitment and other matters, would suit Ten Hag if appointed"

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...w-for-manchester-united-manager-job-gn0v2hk5c
 
I'd be happy with either Poch or Ten Hagg but think I'd prefer Pochettino.

I just think ten Hag is a bigger gamble.
I know he's done great at Ajax but the step up from the Dutch league to Premier League and in particular to Utd is just enormous.
Completly different ball game managing this Utd team and club compared to Ajax which is so well run, organised and has a great structure which suited him.
 
Pep’s only managerial experience was with Barca B before he got the Barca job. That’s an even bigger step than Ajax to us.
From what we’ve seen from Xavi, he looks to have steered Barca in the right direction, with his only previous experience with a club in Qatar.
We had proven managers in Mourinho and LvG, and we cant say they were successes.
So nothing is a guarantee until one is given the opportunity.

Pep was already exposed to the scrutiny and massive pressure of playing for Barcelona and facing it as a manager was a natural progression. It wasn't so much a big step, he was surrounded by massive support as he was already imbedded in the system.

It's almost like a son of a CEO or business owner learning the trade as he grows and finally getting the chance to show what he has. It wasn't the same as Pep getting a job abroad in unfamiliar settings. It's the same for Xavi. Like Pep he was a student of the game and learned a lot from Van Gaal and is already at home at Barcelona. It's in his blood. Unfortunately it didn't work for our former players because they simply lacked the caliber and proper football education (in my opinion) that former players at clubs with deeper footballing cultures like Barcelona and Ajax are privy to.

It's actually the same for many former Ajax players who go back there to coach. Winston Borgarde and Michael Reiziger are both assistant coaches there, and if Kluivert gets the nod for the position in the event Hag leaves his knowledge of the club and culture will put him in good stead to lead as he'll be among former teammates and friends in various positions at the club.

Mourinho and LVG were wrong appointments. LVG was at the end of an illustrious career and united failed to recognize his ways were dated as others like Pep learned from him but added layers that brought him success in the modern game. Same with Mourinho, he was damaged goods when United desperately signed him
 
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The below from the Paul Hirst article is very important imo. And should be among the criterion for the next appointment.

Paul Hirst: "Ten Hag has made a good start in stating his case, however. The 52-year-old Dutchman is said to have spoken well during his interview and United think the fact that Ajax’s system, which leaves the manager to coach the team rather than be responsible for recruitment and other matters, would suit Ten Hag if appointed"

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...w-for-manchester-united-manager-job-gn0v2hk5c

I don't see how Hag focusing on being a head coach and entrusting the club to source his staff and handle everything else will put him at an advantage. I say this simply because as stated before I'm not yet sold on the club's commitment to showcase it's intentions on moving in a progressive direction. But we shall see. I really hope Hag gets the full support he needs. These are unprecedented times for both club and manager. If he gets the job.

I'd have more confidence in Pochettino or Enrique coming in with their own established group of staff even if it be a small group that will give him the immediate support they can count on. Hag will be starting over with complete strangers who he can't even vouch for outside of viewing their resumes and hoping they'll deliver. Pep and Klopp for instance didn't walk into their positions on their own. City had former colleagues of Pep help pave the way for his smooth transition.
 
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RVN or RVP, or hey why not both.

Probably also actually know how to coach strikers properly, unlike a certain other ex-forward manager we could mention.
 
I don't see how Hag focusing on being a head coach and entrusting the club to source his staff and handle everything else will put him at an advantage. I say this simply because as stayed before I'm not yet sold on the club's commitment to showcase it's intentions on moving in a progressive direction. But we shall see. I really hope Hag gets the full support he needs. These are unprecedented times for both club and manager. If he gets the job.

I'd have more confidence in Pochettino or Enrique coming in with their own established group of staff even if it be a small group that will give him the immediate support they can count on. Hag will be starting over with complete strangers who he can't even vouch for outside of viewing their resumes and hoping they'll deliver. Pep and Klopp for instance didn't walk into their positions on their own. City had former colleagues of Pep help pave the way for his smooth transition.
That is because we've now got a huge team dedicated to recruitment. We have the likes of Henny de Regt and Marcel Bout who are both Dutch and understand the way ten Hag will want to implement his plan. And that can only be a advantage for someone like a ten Hag or Enrique who are both coaches who follow similar principles. But in reality, it's a advantage for any coach who understands his role as the head coach and not manager.

At Ajax the recruitment structure was simple. Erik ten Hag concentrated on coaching the team, whilst having input on recruitment. But the recruitment was led by the below people with the exception of Huntelaar who Ajax have appointed from summer 2022, due to his interest in becoming a technical director in the long-term, so Ajax are providing a platform for him to gain experience in the role.

Marc Overmars (DoF)
Gerry Hamstra (assistant DoF)
Henk Veldmate (Head of recruitment)
Vosse de Boode (Head of data science)
Klaas Jan Huntelaar

The only difference between what Ajax do and what we've been doing, is that their recruitment department controls the decision making process, when it comes to recruitment throughout the club. And we've allowed the manager to control the recruitment, whilst affording him the luxury of having his own recruitment staff.
 
That is because we've now got a huge team dedicated to recruitment. We have the likes of Henny de Regt and Marcel Bout who are both Dutch and understand the way ten Hag will want to implement his plan. And that can only be a advantage for someone like a ten Hag or Enrique who are both coaches who follow similar principles. But in reality, it's a advantage for any coach who understands his role as the head coach and not manager.

At Ajax the recruitment structure was simple. Erik ten Hag concentrated on coaching the team, whilst having input on recruitment. But the recruitment was led by the below people with the exception of Huntelaar who Ajax have appointed from summer 2022, due to his interest in becoming a technical director in the long-term, so Ajax are providing a platform for him to gain experience in the role.

Marc Overmars (DoF)
Gerry Hamstra (assistant DoF)
Henk Veldmate (Head of recruitment)
Vosse de Boode (Head of data science)
Klaas Jan Huntelaar

The only difference between what Ajax do and what we've been doing, is that their recruitment department controls the decision making process, when it comes to recruitment throughout the club. And we've allowed the manager to control the recruitment, whilst affording him the luxury of having his own recruitment staff.

I thought we've changed all that and now operate more like how the Ajax system is described? Manager gets a vote on players but it's a collective decision.
 
That is because we've now got a huge team dedicated to recruitment. We have the likes of Henny de Regt and Marcel Bout who are both Dutch and understand the way ten Hag will want to implement his plan. And that can only be a advantage for someone like a ten Hag or Enrique who are both coaches who follow similar principles. But in reality, it's a advantage for any coach who understands his role as the head coach and not manager.

At Ajax the recruitment structure was simple. Erik ten Hag concentrated on coaching the team, whilst having input on recruitment. But the recruitment was led by the below people with the exception of Huntelaar who Ajax have appointed from summer 2022, due to his interest in becoming a technical director in the long-term, so Ajax are providing a platform for him to gain experience in the role.

Marc Overmars (DoF)
Gerry Hamstra (assistant DoF)
Henk Veldmate (Head of recruitment)
Vosse de Boode (Head of data science)
Klaas Jan Huntelaar

The only difference between what Ajax do and what we've been doing, is that their recruitment department controls the decision making process, when it comes to recruitment throughout the club. And we've allowed the manager to control the recruitment, whilst affording him the luxury of having his own recruitment staff.

How do you evaluate De Regts and Bouts performances at the club overall outside this structure? De Regts been here since 2016, and didn't Bout sign up with LVG? Genuinely asking
 
I thought we've changed all that and now operate more like how the Ajax system is described? Manager gets a vote on players but it's a collective decision.
We did what Liverpool did with Rodgers, and created a transfer committee but it was still the manager setting the directive at first team level. And unlike Liverpool who transitioned to a Sporting director/head coach model under Klopp, we carried on giving the manager control of recruitment, which tbf is very normalised in the UK and the British pundits can't understand any different.

But it does seem like that is about to change now, because John Murtough being the DoF gives the recruitment department power.
 
How do you evaluate De Regts and Bouts performances at the club overall outside this structure? De Regts been here since 2016, and didn't Bout sign up with LVG? Genuinely asking
I evaluate their performance by looking at recruitment at youth level. And for me they've done a good job considering they haven't been in the job too long and the structure is still somewhat in its infancy. Solskjaer and Mourinho had their own personal scouts to make recruitment decisions, so I don't blame the likes of Lawlor, Court, Bout and de Regt for their (managers) errors. Similar to what happened at Liverpool under Rodgers.

And with John Murtough being in a position of power, the team below him will now be judged in the next few years.
 
Should I get excited about all the Ten Hag rumors, or am I going to end up getting disappointed?
 
Should I get excited about all the Ten Hag rumors, or am I going to end up getting disappointed?

Depends on if your question is about excitement about him getting the job, in which case its looking positive. If you are asking about getting excited for the future with United under him, I would temper any expectations by pointing out how difficult a task managing United under the current ownership is.
 
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