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They were criminally bad before he came in. Yes there are faults, most Ajax fans point to lack of rotation and poor use of subs. However pretty much every one of them think he’s their best manager in eons.
You can say Poch is winning this Ligue 1 but they play awful football. Even his Spurs side weren’t that easy on the eye. Poch is damaged goods because his poor form as a manager stretches back quite a while. Whilst they got to the CL final they dropped off hugely from that January not wining an away league game for the pretty much for the rest of that season. In Ligue 1, they’ve been scraping to wins for the most part.
But why can’t you give him credit for developing two good Ajax sides (yes this one faltered against Benfica but every manager has a shithouse loss. Klopp against Atletico a few years ago springs to mind) with the 2019 side they were good youngsters he inherited but he still had to take them to a semi final. Are you going to argue that Pep didn’t develop that Barca side? He inherited it.
We should be looking at what Ten Hag did with that side in Europe. He will be at a club where he can buy that quality of player. We also do have some exceptional young players coming through. Perhaps he can inherit them and not get any credit for developing our side.
I liked the end bit about Robbie Fowler calling Neville out for championing Diego Simeone for the job due to his anti football methods. Fowler thinks the United faithful would turn on Simeone quickly due his anti football methods. I'm sure some will diagree with Fowler but I completely agree with him.
Have you seen PSGs goal difference on the Ligue 1 table? You can't tell me they've been 'scraping by', that's being disingenuous. How many of their matches have you actually watched in the league this season? What about Ajax?
For the parts in bold, most Ajax supporters were saying similar things about Frank De Boer when he won 4 titles in a row but Ten Hag has taken it a step further with his 2019 champions league run. By the way he hasn't replicated that CL run. Why is that? Pochetinno beat him to the final in case you forgot
If we're using what he achieved in Europe in 2018/19 as a metric then we might as well be considering others like Unai Emery who's a repeat European cup specialist, even if it's the EL, a trophy Ten Hag has failed to advance in after crashing out of the CL group stages two seasons straight since that feat in 2019
Besides the fact that he would never leave Atletico for United, all the fans who despised our football under LVG and Jose would get anti-football ptsd
Terrible fit culturally and tactically for United but it would never happen so not sure why people like Neville keep bringing him up.
This is not what people want to hear though. I have nothing against ETH and wish him the best for his new role.
Come on. Poch is already a damaged good.
So good luck with the new role!Using PSG's goal differential as evidence of the quality of their football is a bit odd when they don't even have the best goal differential in their league currently in spite of their unmatched advantages and are on pace for just about the same GD they had last season with an even more stacked squad this time.
The likes of Blanc (80+!) and Emery used to take the piss out of Ligue 1 with their GD but there's relatively little clamor for either to get a top job. Emery is a good manager mind you ut using differential as a barometer isn't the best metric for judging the quality of football being played.
The likes of Blanc (80+!) and Emery used to take the piss out of Ligue 1 with their GD but there's relatively little clamor for either to get a top job. Emery is a good manager mind you ut using differential as a barometer isn't the best metric for judging the quality of football being played.
Do tou think they've mostly 'scraped' by too? I don't watch Ligue one. I have every top league in my sports apps including Eredivisie which I can watch live or on demand but not ligue 1 so I won't pretend to say I've watched a single PSG league match outside highlights.
How many PSG matches have you watched this season? I merely used goal difference to dispell this crap that keeps getting repeated that PSG have mostly 'scraped' by
Come on. Poch is already a damaged good.
He's shattered, done and dusted at the top level at 48 haha
Poch is proven in EPL and he probably is not at the level of Pep and Klopp. Man Utd fans want a manager that is as good as them so Poch is out. They put their hope on ETH because he is unproven in EPL and had one good CL season. It is just another "in my eye his ceiling is higher". I can understand people want a top top manager that can challenge pep and Klopp right away, just like they think Rashford is as good as mbappe couple years ago, because his ceiling is higher. ETH may be is as good as Pep. We will find out soon .
Are you saying this season in CL is not good for Ajax?
I have nothing against ETH. I just said why Poch is out.
Yeah agreeing with one scouser in Carragher is bad enough but Fowler as well is really bad
What actually could have transpired:
A building janitor found a random printout from the shared printer in the office and saw it as a convenient money-earner.
A building janitor found a random printout from the shared printer in the office and saw it as a convenient money-earner.
she’s right here though
Erik ten Hag has overachieved at Ajax.
Before ten Hag's arrival, Ajax hadn't advanced out of the Champions League group stages since 2005/06 season. And ten Hag achieved that in his first full season at the club. Getting out of the group stages was a problem for Ajax for over a decade. And he didn't just achieve that, he guided Ajax to the semi final stage for the first time since 1996.
He then started losing his best players to other clubs in subsequent years and has remarkably maintained a standard of play, which has seen Ajax still advance out of the group stages, when it was clear to see they were struggling to do that before his arrival for over a decade. When you consistently lose key players to other clubs it's very difficult to maintain a level of stability, but remarkably he's achieved that, whilst maintaining control both in and out of possession with lesser players in comparison to what we see in the EPL. Frank de Boer hadn't shown anything remotely close to ten Hag in the UCL.
And whatever one says about the Dutch league, one thing is clear from watching the league. And that is that the Eredivisie is closely contested. With the exception of last season when Ajax won the title by 16 points and PSV winning it by 17 points about 7/8 years ago, the league itself has been closely contested. Ajax won the league by only 3 points in the 18/19 season and on goal difference the following year. Teams like PSV and to a lesser extent Feyenoord and AZ in recent years are more than capable of winning against the so called lesser teams. The league is competive at the top. And then if you take in to account that Ajax have consistently lost their best players in the last 2/3 years, then that can only help PSV, because it's difficult to maintain a stability when you have to replace those top players that have been lost.
My personal preference was Luis Enrique due to his imposing style of play and experience at the top level. But after him, Erik ten Hag is a easy choice for me, because his ideas on the game are superior to the other candidates. Erik ten Hag is a coach that implements a zonal positional game via a vertical axis that not only has the potential to control the game with the ball, but also without the ball via the counter press.
And if you're a fan like me that wants to see your club potentially play a imposing game in the opponents half whilst promoting technical play, without compromising on work rate and intensity,then ten Hag is the easy choice. And ten Hag's ideas will help the likes of Hannibal, Isak Hansen, Mainoo etc because he wants to dominate possession with a purpose.
Before ten Hag's arrival, Ajax hadn't advanced out of the Champions League group stages since 2005/06 season. And ten Hag achieved that in his first full season at the club. Getting out of the group stages was a problem for Ajax for over a decade. And he didn't just achieve that, he guided Ajax to the semi final stage for the first time since 1996.
He then started losing his best players to other clubs in subsequent years and has remarkably maintained a standard of play, which has seen Ajax still advance out of the group stages, when it was clear to see they were struggling to do that before his arrival for over a decade. When you consistently lose key players to other clubs it's very difficult to maintain a level of stability, but remarkably he's achieved that, whilst maintaining control both in and out of possession with lesser players in comparison to what we see in the EPL. Frank de Boer hadn't shown anything remotely close to ten Hag in the UCL.
And whatever one says about the Dutch league, one thing is clear from watching the league. And that is that the Eredivisie is closely contested. With the exception of last season when Ajax won the title by 16 points and PSV winning it by 17 points about 7/8 years ago, the league itself has been closely contested. Ajax won the league by only 3 points in the 18/19 season and on goal difference the following year. Teams like PSV and to a lesser extent Feyenoord and AZ in recent years are more than capable of winning against the so called lesser teams. The league is competive at the top. And then if you take in to account that Ajax have consistently lost their best players in the last 2/3 years, then that can only help PSV, because it's difficult to maintain a stability when you have to replace those top players that have been lost.
My personal preference was Luis Enrique due to his imposing style of play and experience at the top level. But after him, Erik ten Hag is a easy choice for me, because his ideas on the game are superior to the other candidates. Erik ten Hag is a coach that implements a zonal positional game via a vertical axis that not only has the potential to control the game with the ball, but also without the ball via the counter press.
And if you're a fan like me that wants to see your club potentially play a imposing game in the opponents half whilst promoting technical play, without compromising on work rate and intensity,then ten Hag is the easy choice. And ten Hag's ideas will help the likes of Hannibal, Isak Hansen, Mainoo etc because he wants to dominate possession with a purpose.
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So you trust the Sun? Just asking not judging
Its not the publication that matters but the journalist. He's had a decent track record regarding united recently.
She didn't say anything wrong or biased
Don't think he does
The amount of games PSG have won by one goal margins is quite amazing. Their performances have been terrible apart from the game here or there where the front 3 finally pull their fingers out. I mean you can ask if I've watched a game, have you not read a thing about how poorly they are doing currently? They are getting roundly booed by their fans. PSG fans en masse do not rate him and have not rated him once.
If you want to use goal difference look at Ajax in comparison 80 goals for, 13 against. The group stage they won every single game and took Dortmund to the cleaners.
And no we're using 18/19 because it was in the CL. Their run was actually phenomonal. They matched Bayer punch for punch, destroyed Real, beat Juve and then yes they fell apart in the second half. Yes Poch beat them, and it was a bottling. But in reality Spurs were favourites for that tie. They were a top 4 Premier League side who had just beaten City.
After 2019 he lost his two best players in De Ligt and De Jong. They lost the spine of that side. They went out of the group stage due to that crazy game at Stamford Bridge where they 4-1 up and then had 2 men sent off. The following year they lost their next two best players in Ziyech and Van De Beek and went out of a group containing Liverpool and Atalanta. Has he replicated that run? No. This was the year to do it as they finally seemed to have filled the holes. But they had one of those ties. The thing is, why should we be expecting him to match that run again? They're Ajax.
If you want Poch, then that's fine, I mean its weird, but it's fine. I don't think ETH will be the saviour, but whilst you say you're trying to provide balance it more seems you're immediately trying to discredit him. However because I like to enjoy football somehow I’m going to choose to believe the mountain of Ajax fans who all absolutely love him, than the United fan who has decided he doesn’t. Even if I’m totally wrong I’d like to fantasise.
Ten Haag for me. The facts are our club has been on hold and in limbo since the end of Jose’s second season.
We haven’t had a proper manager or any constructive plan since. Hit & hope with our management choices just like our style football.
We haven’t had a proper manager or any constructive plan since. Hit & hope with our management choices just like our style football.
Firstly proving yourself at smaller clubs in the PL isn't quite the sure shot thing people make it out to be purely because most clubs in the PL do not compare to the pressure, resources, media scrutiny etc at Manchester United. Moyes was PL proven both with Everton and now at WH. He's objectively a good football manager but not cut out for United.
Secondly the bolded is just strange. Rashford never had a higher ceiling than Mbappe. He never had a higher anything. It was just a bunch of over zealous fans which every club had, making ridiculous claims. Like yours have often done in the past overrating your mediocre or merely good players all the fricking time.
And finally, we don't really know how good ETH is. But I think most fans feel the next manager has to have footballing ideas which are expansive and ambitious and that definitely plays a part in how big clubs hire. Barcelona didn't just hire Xavi due to his name but also his vision of how Barcelona should play. Is he qualified to manage one of the biggest clubs on the planet ? Nope but they seem to rate his vision highly. With ETH although he is obviously quite proven given he has transformed Ajax completely, it's fair for people to give weight age to the fact that Ajax play an exciting brand of football. With Pochettino its more of a case of people having seen his football and not being particularly excited by it.
In the end there's no obvious choices and feck knows who is ready or good enough for a club Uniteds size. But going for the more ambitious choice is fine by many. If anything, even if we aren't successful maybe it'll set us up in terms of tactics and system for the future?
I won't believe ETH news until I actually see him at Old Trafford.
PSG have scored 59 goals in 29 matches, same as Real Madrid who are leading La Liga and two more than Chelsea at the same juncture in their respective leagues. Milan in serie A have 56 goals also at the same point of the season and are league leaders, just one game more played. Barcelona have scored 54
PSG are on par with the top clubs bar Liverpool, City and Bayern who are monsters. Dortmund and Leverkusen have scored a bucket load of goals (67 and 66 respectively) but that's the nature of the Bundesliga, free scoring.
Tuchel endured boos at the hands of the PSG faithful as well, and polls showed they wanted him out for failing to deliver the CL, something Pep for instance has failed to deliver in 6 seasons at city. PSG fans are fickle and spoiled as fvck and you should know this.
You can use Ajax's goal difference but it's expected for them to walk that league. That's not even taking anything from Ten Hag's obvious talent, he was the first manager to have them scoring over a 100 in one season in 2019 for the first time since 2009/10 and they scored more back then (106) and still lost the title to FC Twente before De Boer began his four year dominance.
PSV and Feynoord can only do so much against the combination of Hag's talent and Ajax's financial muscle and organizanial brilliance. PSV made their record signing in 2001! Ajax are worth more than what PSV and Feynoord are worth collectively.
They're Ajax yes but they lost to Benfica at home man. The weakest team in the knock out phases! Unai Emery knocked out Juventus. That was another bottling after the Spurs bottling you admit to. What's Pochettino commonly and constantly criticized for again? Ten Hag has constantly had great squad depth to draw from and he's hardly rotated as I've previously mentioned. It's one criticism he hasn't escaped.
I don't dislike Ten Hag, in fact I admire his brand of football. I do watch the odd Ajax game on my ESPN plus subscription, live and on demand. I have access to the majority of their matches until such a time they expire and it's usually after the season ends. I've seen enough blitzes of wins/lopsided matches in their favor to know their pedigree, without having to watch full games.
I still think Hag is a massive, massive risk and Ive merely outlined the reasons why I think so. This isn't an echo chamber, it's not weird for me to pick another manager as my personal first choice just because it's not the popular thing to do
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Let’s say Simeone gets the job and gets some good results. I would still not want to watch us play, being defensively strong and only play on the counter only. As a football fan, I want to be entertained too. We’ve been accustomed to boring displays for far too long. Simeone would only continue on that path.
That second half against Atletico was ugly. We weren't asking them questions and they were just booting the ball forward at every chance. Horrible stuff that even Mourinho couldn't stomach I'm sure
I think people forget the fundamental of it all. At the end of the day, as a spectator and a fan of the game, it’s all about the entertainment value.
In that respect, Ten Hag and Luis Enrique would bring that wow factor back, the beauty of the game, the positive vibes and emotions.
Watching us play for the past decade, it was more the feeling of frustration, of should I watch the game and hope for something positive, or just going back to sleep.
Last night, watching El Clasico and see how Barca outplayed Real in a beautiful way brought me back to those positive vibes. I envy how Barca got back to their ways with Xavi, and made watching football fun again. A football purist, a tactical genius and an artist would have all enjoyed that game together.
When is the last time we dominated a top tier club without sitting back and hitting them on the counter?
In that respect, Ten Hag and Luis Enrique would bring that wow factor back, the beauty of the game, the positive vibes and emotions.
Watching us play for the past decade, it was more the feeling of frustration, of should I watch the game and hope for something positive, or just going back to sleep.
Last night, watching El Clasico and see how Barca outplayed Real in a beautiful way brought me back to those positive vibes. I envy how Barca got back to their ways with Xavi, and made watching football fun again. A football purist, a tactical genius and an artist would have all enjoyed that game together.
When is the last time we dominated a top tier club without sitting back and hitting them on the counter?
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The amount of hate that Poch gets here is unbelievable. I cannot imagine the meltdown if he is named as next manager.
One thing I wonder though is if we're trying to be City with fewer resources / worse people.
Ten Hag isn't Guardiola.
Murtough isn't Txiki.
The Glazers most certainly aren't the sheikhs.
So in what possible universe (other than of course Pep leaving and City declining) would we be better than them? Don't we need a different way to approach the game?
I agree that a system that emphasizes vertical positional play is the way to go. Regardless of how the Ten Hag experiment goes (this Rangnick stint has taught me that it's not all about the tactics, ego management, dressing room cohesion / influence etc. is important), I hope we retain that at our core and move forward.
I can't stand another flip-flop where we go Ten Hag and we fail to get CL and we then flip-flop immediately to someone like Conte / Simeone.
Pochetinno is Satan and the congregation in the church of Hag have made that clear.
That is true but they are the same teams we will probably face in cups.
The chances of meeting these teams in the CL, and domestic cups games are very high. We need a manager that will give us a chance in those two legged or final games.
When Klopp and Pep finally leave, I can see City and Pool getting in good replacements, their level will drop a bit but they will still be good teams.
We need a manager who will blow everyone out of the water the moment Klopp and Pep leave the league and I don’t think Poch is that guy.
When LVG was in charge?
If the plan is to implement possession based/positioning football, the philosophy, then LVG tried that in Man Utd already and he is fired because his football is too boring, and I am not going to repeat what I had said in another thread. May be this time ETH will succeed, even he doesn't have the experience and status like LVG in the industry. I don't even want to get into debate whether ETH has more knowledge than LVG or if LVG is past it. ETH is definitely the preferred choice in redcafe, and my guess is he will get the job.
So is LVG's football the only way to play possession based football?
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