Holy shit that’s an awful record. I think that’s worse than Moyes at Everton.
Is she actually dating Mane? Well I’d fecking discount anything she says then
Is she actually dating Mane? Well I’d fecking discount anything she says then
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Pochetinno is winning Ligue 1 handily this season. Oh wait, it's a farmers league from what I'm told and PSG should be winning it anyway. What does that make the Eredivisie?
Getting Ten Hag at this point seems like a tap in. So now I’m convinced the board will feck this up and hire Pochettino.
I still think they are waiting to see if Poch gets sacked.
To be fair we need the home record as well although I suspect it’s average.Yeah, definitely stacked well Melissa...
Kind of in the same sort of boat. Pochettino is a decent enough manager but I don't think he has anything about him to suggest he can better Tuchel, Klopp, and Pep over 38 games in a season. Ten Hag has some level of novelty, at the very least.
If you want the full picture home and away (against the original top 4 of City, Liverpool, United and Chelsea) - Played 67 times, won 19 games. That gives him a win percentage of 28% and a staggering goal difference of -26.
Stacked up well to the top teams my arse, the guy is as average as they come.
Finishing in the top 3 three seasons on the bounce and challenging for the title in the third season (2016/17) while outscoring the rest of the league is something united have failed to achieve in the post Fergie era while blowing billions. Poch did it without spending
You don't win titles by only beating the top 6 anyway. LVG did well against our big rivals. Pochetinno's record against the big teams isn't great so that tweet is BS if that's what the club are looking at. That's not something to fault Pochettino
He finished ahead of City, United, Liverpool and Chelsea several times in the league, ultimately, the league position is what matters the most.
Very much this
"Pochettino has played a total of 67 games against these four big teams but has only won 19 times in these matches.
This puts the Argentine with a win percentage of only 28%"
In Holland. Poch has built 2 excellent teams in England. So if there is an answer to your question it has to be yes. Not that Poch has the perfect CV either.
No, but its a good start. A 6% win away record isn't going to make you a contender. How many managers in the PL have won a title with a record that shocking? The title challenge he managed to lose was against Leicester of all teams, and even then he found a way to finish 3rd in that two horse race.
Ole managed to finish ahead of Liverpool once, and Chelsea twice in the three seasons he was here. Yet like Poch he's managed to win feck all and ended up getting sacked. Do you want to bring him back?
But he didn't win it, did he? You won't win it with such an abysmal record against the top teams. He played underdog mentality against them
He still does at PSG too. The man is a destined loser, even with all the resources at this disposal.
I hope PSG sack Leonardo and keep Pochettino because Zidane doesn't fancy it.
But we might actually have to beat the top 6 or not lose to them at the very least.
The current leaders have only lost 3 times this season, the previous 3 seasons the leaders lost 6,3 and 4 times.
So we have to win against the top 6 to win the league
I do get the hype around Ten Hag but some of you are completely blinkered by the idea of him when the practical argument is actually very thin. The fact Poch even has a couple of years PL experience (never mind achieving way over the odds with two different teams) puts him as more qualified. Previous Ajax managers have been binned after less than a month in the PL.
I would be wary if we appointed him, but also hold out the hope he is the magical answer to all our problems.
I would be wary if we appointed him, but also hold out the hope he is the magical answer to all our problems.
You seem really invested in Poch.
You refuse to see that he might be a busted flush. Confidence can't be high after sacked from spurs, and nearly about to get sacked from PSG currently being there worse performing manager since they hit the jackpot.
These are massive red flags for me, as well as his big match performance in the premier League.
The reason I don't want Poch is because he is a no risk no reward type of manager. He will probably play good football, reach top 4 sometimes and that will be it. Ten hag may be a big risk, but given the difference with the top 3, this is a necessary risk worth taking. But I feel the board will sign Poch if he is released by PSG.
It will be a bumpy year regardless of who we appoint to be honest. Seem's like the winds of change are blowing with the new structure on the footballing side which could see some sort of squad overhaul or clear out. I'm on the fence with Ten Hag for obvious reasons but I've never been a fan of Potchettino since his Tottenham days, I think his ability to get a team over the line is lacking in a big way, but if he is appointed here I'll obviously get behind him, once I've moaned about it of course...
For those wondering why Reddy is commenting.. she’s just been unveiled as Sky’s latest signing
As a rule, I don’t trust a word that any colleague of Kaveh Solhekol says.
As a rule, I don’t trust a word that any colleague of Kaveh Solhekol says.
How I see it.
He's on the up, might have X factor......defo seems to have the winning mentality......
I think that's where we want to be going, where as Poch is just solid, or was solid, not even sure the personality to go in and sort this mess out. Keep thinking back to his crying. Not sure he has the right personality for this job.
I remember reading he wasn't even strict on the players at spurs regarding being late etc for training, seemed to like the players to have freedom. Certainly not what this squad needs.
Don't want to get into the game of shooting someone down to big another manager up, but only reason I'm arguing against Poch is because he not even close to the manager I would like. Their would be more managers along with Hag ahead of him in my eyes TV
No wonder the players want him
For those wondering why Reddy is commenting.. she’s just been unveiled as Sky’s latest signing
As a rule, I don’t trust a word that any colleague of Kaveh Solhekol says.
She's got contacts at Liverpool and that's it, she's not reputable on United at all.
Very generous to say he built anything at Southampton when he only managed them for one season.
I can`t talk much about Ultrecht but its blasphemy suggesting he didn`t build a team at Ajax. If your logic is correct Poch didn`t "build" Spurs.
Lloris, Walker, Rose, Vertonghen, Kane, Winks and Eriksen are the starting 11 players he found there thats more than half the team, could probably add Lamela. Credit where it`s due developing Kane and to some extent Winks but everyone else was proven at a decent or high level so he didn`t really build them rather inherited a strong foundation he built on using your logic.
I`ve done some digging looking up Ajax`s team from the EL Final in 2017 and Onana is the ONLY player currently that was part of that team who`s still at Ajax whereas Ziyech, De Ligt, De Jong, Van De Beek, Veltman, Schone, Dolberg and Neres are players he found at Ajax and either improved or promoted from the Academy and he added Tagliafico, Blind and Tadic.
That`s a number of starting 11 players he may have inherited but between 2019-2021 De Ligt, Veltman, De Jong, Schone, Van De Beek, Ziyech, Dolberg and recently Neres have all been sold and he`s replaced them with Lisandro Martinez, promoted Mazaroui/Dest(Dest got sold too) promoted Gravenberch, Edson Alvarez, Haller, Antony, Klaassen and Berghuis. In addition he`s recently promoted Timber who`s one of the most promising CBs in the world. As you can see yes you`re right he did inherit a lot of players that lead to his good run in 18/19(as did Poch) however a lot of those players have been sold in a short space of time and replaced mostly with players of lower quality and Ajax are still punching above their weight. Don`t question Ten Hag`s team building ability.
In that period ETH has had to rebuild Ajax Poch ONLY lost Walker prior to 2019 who was replaced by Trippier(signed a season earlier) and Aurier. He kept the rest of his players and added Alderweireld, Wanyama, Dier, Sissoko, Alli and Son to his starting 11 discounting the "squad players" he signed and while he did a solid job in the PL it`s disappointing he didn`t win an FA Cup or Carling Cup as he had a genuinely top squad.
Pochettino in the one and a half seasons he was at Southampton never lost any key players but added Osvaldo, Chambers, Lovern and Wanyama in addition to Lallana, Clyne, Shaw, Ward Prowse, Gaston Ramirez, Gazzaniga, Fonte, Schneiderlin, Lambert and Jay Rodriguez amongst his other key players who were already there. Yes he did a solid job improving and promoting the players there but if you compare and contrast Pochettino and ETH`s team building stints the latter wins this one hands on since the former never faced the challenge of losing a lot of key players from the existing core he inherited and having to replace them in a short space of time.If he ever did that and STILL maintained the same levels yes you could argue Poch`s team building is better.
Ten Hag on the other hand has never had the luck of keeping his key players for a short space of time but he`s still managed to do a similar impressive if not more impressive job than Poch. Most smart clubs would gamble with the man who`s shown he can do it regardless of the team he has with the possibility of hitting elite levels with his own team over a man who`s had the luck of keeping his players and recently managed a super team but still fallen short in one way or another.
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Where were the big spending clubs? Including united with our more experienced managers and lavishly assembled squads? Poch was in a club he apparently didn't have the credentials to belong to buy he busted the doors down. Even Renieri was a more accomplished manager when he finally won the title with Liecester. Liecester winning was a shock but it was long overdue for a manager of Renieri's background
His squad didn't compare to theirs but his final table finishes were impressive. At united he'd be working with a squad with more overall quality. He's walking the league with PSG in his first full season there. I know, farmers league, big stars, expected of them and all that
Pep and Klopp have raised the bar. I don't see anyone challenging them in the next few seasons or until one of them leaves the PL. That's reality. We could get Tuchel or Zidane in and they wouldn't stop City and Liverpool in the immediate future. Hag is certainly not challenging them for the title. Thinking about the title is a pipe dream. We need to refocus on building a team and going back to making good football a priority. The rest will follow in due time
Good managers bounce back from adversity and Poch doesn't seem like the type to run away from a challenge. These experiences will either make it break him and none of us can foresee his reaction. I'm betting on him.
I'm no more invested in Poch than the multitudes of United supporters invested in Ten Hag. Many of them are blindly backing him and misrepresenting Pochettino in the process.
I'm balancing things out, there's a lot of BS spouted in here, lots of double standards and changing of goalposts in order to fit this narrative that Ten Hag is the messiah that will bring back uniteds glory days. I think I'm being fair with my views. A lot of questions are not being asked by those who see success under Hag as a foregone conclusion. Many know precious little about how he even operates or his coaching history. Many haven't seen a full Ajax game in the Eredivisie. I'm not against Hag, he's just not my first choice and presents a big risk for me.
He was there for 18 months and took them from being in a very precarious position in the table to finishing 7th in the league and playing some of the best football.
Tottenham and Levy build Spurs more than their managers. Lloris, Walker, Vertongen, Dier, Davies, Rose, Dembele, Eriksen, Lamela, Kane were the core players before and during the summer following Pochettino's appointment.
Both managers have built teams, but Poch's influence at Spurs over player recruitment and building a squad is getting a bit overblown. He and EtH have done wonderful jobs at developing players, young and old, for the benefit of the team.
Ten Hag, Pochettino or Tuchel.
It simply has to be one of these with a director of football and massive off field support too. All are risks but all are undeniably good coaches too
It simply has to be one of these with a director of football and massive off field support too. All are risks but all are undeniably good coaches too
Which goes to show how heavy his influence was. No he didn't build Southampton but he had them playing fantastic football and raised the games of average players like Lambert, Clyne, Jay Rodriguez, Lallana, (all got England call-ups) and Morgan Schneirdelin. All of them got moved to bigger clubs, mostly Liverpool, and national team call-ups after their 16 months with Poch. Mad influence. Poch also helped develop youngsters at Southampton like Callum Chambers, Luke Shaw and Ward-Prawse
Poch was doing it consistently with half the budget present for Ole at United. He didn't buy an 80m defender or 50m fullback.
In all honesty, Luis Enrique will be my first choice if he was available.
I get what your saying but after his spell at psg it seems poch is on his way down where as ten Hag is on the up. PSG don’t have a recognisable style of play under poch where as Ajax clearly do. Poch seems like he does well at outsider teams, like he can over achieve with the likes of spurs and Southampton but when it comes to managing the big clubs does he have what it takes? I don’t think he can handle pressure at big clubs. Not saying ten Hag can or will but we will never know the answer to that because ten Hag has never had the chance to manage a big club.
Yeah, he'd be a great choice. Just a shame our search happened to fall in a world cup year.
I read that whole article on the Sky sports website tonight and the one part that really stood out for me was the final bit.
“Uniteds new manager will be derived from the 4 man shortlist unless there is a massive change in circumstance and a top manager that fits the long term direction suddenly becomes available”
That just says to me it’s still going to be run in the same clusterfeck way it has always been run ever since the Glazers took over.
“Uniteds new manager will be derived from the 4 man shortlist unless there is a massive change in circumstance and a top manager that fits the long term direction suddenly becomes available”
That just says to me it’s still going to be run in the same clusterfeck way it has always been run ever since the Glazers took over.
Mine as well. Looks a long shot.
I highly doubt this is the full picture if you don't take the resource available to these clubs in your consideration.
Same here
Ten Hag or Graham Potter for me. Attacking managers who develop talent, of course that would mean an entire overhaul of the current squad which means we'll 100% go for Pochettino instead.
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