Next permanent manager | Poll updated

Who should be the next permanent manager?

  • Luis Enrique

    Votes: 113 7.4%

  • Erik ten Hag

    Votes: 1,300 84.7%

  • Julen Lopetegui

    Votes: 10 0.7%

  • Mauricio Pochettino

    Votes: 79 5.1%

  • None of the above

    Votes: 32 2.1%
  • Total voters
    1,534
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RiqCantona said:
I think post SAF we've literally tried everything with managers. Have a look at our appointments since:

1. Moyes - picked by SAF which is why nobody questioned that decision. But he was clearly out of his depth at United. Never had the ability to challenge for trophies and titles, and manage big dressing rooms. By March we realised, "oops... we might have made a mistake" - reset please.
2. LvG - a different direction from Moyes. The idea was to have an experienced manager who can give stability to the club. But unfortunately, his ideas were old and he was incapable of adapting to the league. Bought and sold too many players - and thus breaking the spine of the team. This was when the culture started to change. By the 2nd year, this was a lost cause.
3. Mourinho - Screw philosophy lets get the proven winner. We thought, "Ok, so we messed up on the previous 2 appointments. Let's get the one who knows how to win". But Mourinho is Mourinho, and as well as he did in his 2nd season and winning the UEL in his 1st - he started spreading a lot of negativity. He was never going to be a long term appointment, we all knew that. The only difference is, he didn't win the league. By this time, the culture of United was ruined. The dressing room became toxic. "We messed up again didn't we?"
4. Ole - rewind. Get the old culture back. He stabilised the ship somewhat, but was always going to be challenged from a tactical point of view. Even till the end of last season, he was on the path to getting us back before it all went to shit. Had a lot of positives, but still wasn't THE ONE to get us back.
5. RR - very temporary and more like an SOS for the club. To steady the ship and fix problems at the core of the club. We've already messed way too many times.

Now, the reason for saying all this is that - we've already tried several options. We went with a British manager to repeat what SAF did, we went for the experienced hardman in Lvg, we went with the experienced proven winner in Mou, and we went with the club legend who understands the club. None of them worked. This is why Conte wouldn't have worked. This is exactly why I feel Poch might not work either.

We need something different. We need a shift in our strategy. We need the next Klopp or Pep or Tuchel. And there are only a handful of managers who are available and has that potential. ETH is at the top of that list.
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THis is crazy over analysis. The decisions were made by Woodward on the whole. Fergie chose Moyes as he thought he could mentor his clone and Glazers loved the idea of another manager who could do well on minimum spend. Then the board panicked and Woodward brought in LVG. He had no understanding of what LVG did or his football philosophy, but he was cheap and available. Then yes he panicked again and got Mourinho, a manger who by that point was clearly going downhill with shorter shelf lives. FInally Ole, he was meant to be a short fix but Woodward is so dumb he thought the Molde manager could challenge with teh big boys. We were never near competing.

So we havent actually tried 'options', we have had an idiot making incoherent and panicked decisions. The one thing we have not done, which all top teams now have is to build a strong and coherent football structure and get a manager to work in that. Then you avoid having the most bloated and dysfunctional squad in the premier league, and you may actualyl challenge.
 
I won't believe the Ten Hag news until I actually see him outside Old Trafford pointing upwards and complaining about the leak.
 
Wasn't it Custis who said that we'd made approaches for Rodgers and Poch around the time Ole was sacked?

As I've said before they'll keep spinning stories for weeks while knowing nothing.
 
Gordon Godot said:
THis is crazy over analysis. The decisions were made by Woodward on the whole. Fergie chose Moyes as he thought he could mentor his clone and Glazers loved the idea of another manager who could do well on minimum spend. Then the board panicked and Woodward brought in LVG. He had no understanding of what LVG did or his football philosophy, but he was cheap and available. Then yes he panicked again and got Mourinho, a manger who by that point was clearly going downhill with shorter shelf lives. FInally Ole, he was meant to be a short fix but Woodward is so dumb he thought the Molde manager could challenge with teh big boys. We were never near competing.

So we havent actually tried 'options', we have had an idiot making incoherent and panicked decisions. The one thing we have not done, which all top teams now have is to build a strong and coherent football structure and get a manager to work in that. Then you avoid having the most bloated and dysfunctional squad in the premier league, and you may actualyl challenge.
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Haha, yes 100%

I have pointed it out in a previous post and on many other occassions that the football structures at Liverpool and City were set in place before they appointed Klopp and Pep (that those manager didn't appoint themselves) and that those descisions to appoint those guys were made by football men and not an investment banker. That comment got challenged by a few members even though the evidence to support that is literally right in front of everyone. Woodward literally put forth the pitch to Klopp that United was like an adult disneyland. He rightly chose to stay at Dortmund. Who'd want to work with an investment banker on the football side of the club.
I really don't understand why people view this as rocket science because it's not.

The result of poor performances over the years stops at Ed Woodwards door. We're only now waking up from that decade long hangover. And the only way to fix this mess is to get footballing men in to make the big decisions which is only starting to happen now.
 
Adnan said:
Erik ten Hag has overachieved at Ajax.

Before ten Hag's arrival, Ajax hadn't advanced out of the Champions League group stages since 2005/06 season. And ten Hag achieved that in his first full season at the club. Getting out of the group stages was a problem for Ajax for over a decade. And he didn't just achieve that, he guided Ajax to the semi final stage for the first time since 1996.

He then started losing his best players to other clubs in subsequent years and has remarkably maintained a standard of play, which has seen Ajax still advance out of the group stages, when it was clear to see they were struggling to do that before his arrival for over a decade. When you consistently lose key players to other clubs it's very difficult to maintain a level of stability, but remarkably he's achieved that, whilst maintaining control both in and out of possession with lesser players in comparison to what we see in the EPL. Frank de Boer hadn't shown anything remotely close to ten Hag in the UCL.

And whatever one says about the Dutch league, one thing is clear from watching the league. And that is that the Eredivisie is closely contested. With the exception of last season when Ajax won the title by 16 points and PSV winning it by 17 points about 7/8 years ago, the league itself has been closely contested. Ajax won the league by only 3 points in the 18/19 season and on goal difference the following year. Teams like PSV and to a lesser extent Feyenoord and AZ in recent years are more than capable of winning against the so called lesser teams. The league is competive at the top. And then if you take in to account that Ajax have consistently lost their best players in the last 2/3 years, then that can only help PSV, because it's difficult to maintain a stability when you have to replace those top players that have been lost.

My personal preference was Luis Enrique due to his imposing style of play and experience at the top level. But after him, Erik ten Hag is a easy choice for me, because his ideas on the game are superior to the other candidates. Erik ten Hag is a coach that implements a zonal positional game via a vertical axis that not only has the potential to control the game with the ball, but also without the ball via the counter press.

And if you're a fan like me that wants to see your club potentially play a imposing game in the opponents half whilst promoting technical play, without compromising on work rate and intensity,then ten Hag is the easy choice. And ten Hag's ideas will help the likes of Hannibal, Isak Hansen, Mainoo etc because he wants to dominate possession with a purpose.
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well said
 
United in sin said:
PSG have scored 59 goals in 29 matches, same as Real Madrid who are leading La Liga and two more than Chelsea at the same juncture in their respective leagues. Milan in serie A have 56 goals also at the same point of the season and are league leaders, just one game more played. Barcelona have scored 54

PSG are on par with the top clubs bar Liverpool, City and Bayern who are monsters. Dortmund and Leverkusen have scored a bucket load of goals (67 and 66 respectively) but that's the nature of the Bundesliga, free scoring.

Tuchel endured boos at the hands of the PSG faithful as well, and polls showed they wanted him out for failing to deliver the CL, something Pep for instance has failed to deliver in 6 seasons at city. PSG fans are fickle and spoiled as fvck and you should know this.

You can use Ajax's goal difference but it's expected for them to walk that league. That's not even taking anything from Ten Hag's obvious talent, he was the first manager to have them scoring over a 100 in one season in 2019 for the first time since 2009/10 and they scored more back then (106) and still lost the title to FC Twente before De Boer began his four year dominance.

PSV and Feynoord can only do so much against the combination of Hag's talent and Ajax's financial muscle and organizanial brilliance. PSV made their record signing in 2001! Ajax are worth more than what PSV and Feynoord are worth collectively.

They're Ajax yes but they lost to Benfica at home man. The weakest team in the knock out phases! Unai Emery knocked out Juventus. That was another bottling after the Spurs bottling you admit to. What's Pochettino commonly and constantly criticized for again? Ten Hag has constantly had great squad depth to draw from and he's hardly rotated as I've previously mentioned. It's one criticism he hasn't escaped.

I don't dislike Ten Hag, in fact I admire his brand of football. I do watch the odd Ajax game on my ESPN plus subscription, live and on demand. I have access to the majority of their matches until such a time they expire and it's usually after the season ends. I've seen enough blitzes of wins/lopsided matches in their favor to know their pedigree, without having to watch full games.

I still think Hag is a massive, massive risk and Ive merely outlined the reasons why I think so. This isn't an echo chamber, it's not weird for me to pick another manager as my personal first choice just because it's not the popular thing to do
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PSG are expected to walk their league. I don’t know why you are using their goals scored as proof of their performances. They’ll have the occasional 4-0 and then draw against a bottom placed team. Lose and then scrape a win against a shit side. They have been incredibly inconsistent. And weird that you use Real (not having a fantastic season, but other clubs are having worse), AC (in a tight title race bolstered by being defensively very good), Barca (who started the season terribly) and Chelsea (incredibly inconsistent season with an awful winter period) as proof.

The financial gap between PSG and the rest of the league is the same as between Ajax and the rest of their league. They have fewer points in more games than Ajax. But the team in second in Ligue 1 has been far worse. I mean Rennes have a better goal difference, does that mean they’re on par with the top clubs in Europe? PSG are underperfoming in their league and there’s no one to challenge, none of the teams who finished round them last year are even in the top 4 this year. They underperforming based on previous seasons. Before their season was cut short in 2020 they had more points and a higher GD in fewer games. Poch came in last year and lost the league. This year, whilst they are now winning it their performances are awful.

Prior to PSG I wanted Poch. Even when we sacked Ole, I wanted Poch. But his form is atrocious. He shouldn’t be available. He’s at a top club and he’s underperforming, why would that be any different here. I think his football is a bit behind the times now. When he came to the prem his pressing style was a breath of fresh air. But the styles of Liverpool, City, even Ajax are more modern.

ETH is definitely a risk. Every manager bar Klopp and Pep would be. But I’d much rather go for a manager who looks on the up and plays a style of football akin to our rivals than one who’s been off the pace for the last 2/3 years of his career.
 
Just give ETH the job, but allow him the option to rebuild, and not get overly anxious if results remain as they have been for the next few months.

From what we’ve been told so far, Ten Hag is only only likely to bring an assistant with him? Therefore leave some of those decisions with Mr Rangnick, the board shouldn’t really have anything to do with it other than finalising contracts.
 
Adnan said:
I liked the end bit about Robbie Fowler calling Neville out for championing Diego Simeone for the job due to his anti football methods. Fowler thinks the United faithful would turn on Simeone quickly due his anti football methods. I'm sure some will diagree with Fowler but I completely agree with him.
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Watching Atletico the other night, no way I would want my team to encouraged to cheat like that. That was on a different level.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Watching Atletico the other night, no way I would want my team to encouraged to cheat like that. That was on a different level.
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Neville says some sensible stuff, calling out Joel Glazer for never coming to OT is a good one, shame the other old boys dont join and expose these leaches for what they are. But Simeone is about as far from a United manager as I can imagine. Madness
 
I've long given up on us being anywhere near as good as we used to be, but if ETH gets the job and is backed fully, it'll give me some hope for us.

Damn it. That Michael Corleone line comes to mind.
 
Ahmer Baig said:
The amount of hate that Poch gets here is unbelievable. I cannot imagine the meltdown if he is named as next manager.
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I want ETH, but I wouldn't weep if it was Poch, however I would be angry if they used a Poch appointment to keep the players onside. The same players who should be nowhere near picking a manager. I want big changes in style and personnel. This club needs a massive shaking up. I do not want to watch players looking clueless and lethargic. If they are unfit then get them fit and the ones who shirk that, ship them out. I want people who will run and run all the game.
 
Gordon Godot said:
THis is crazy over analysis. The decisions were made by Woodward on the whole. Fergie chose Moyes as he thought he could mentor his clone and Glazers loved the idea of another manager who could do well on minimum spend. Then the board panicked and Woodward brought in LVG. He had no understanding of what LVG did or his football philosophy, but he was cheap and available. Then yes he panicked again and got Mourinho, a manger who by that point was clearly going downhill with shorter shelf lives. FInally Ole, he was meant to be a short fix but Woodward is so dumb he thought the Molde manager could challenge with teh big boys. We were never near competing.

So we havent actually tried 'options', we have had an idiot making incoherent and panicked decisions. The one thing we have not done, which all top teams now have is to build a strong and coherent football structure and get a manager to work in that. Then you avoid having the most bloated and dysfunctional squad in the premier league, and you may actualyl challenge.
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United is a corporate like any other big football club. Decisions aren't taken at a whim at corporates. Sadly for us, most of our decisions regarding managers have been bad. They were not well thought out obviously and we have been going back to the drawing board ever since.

My point was, we've already tried all these various ideas for whatever reason.
 
Apparently Nagelsmann would be our ideal choice but we know he wouldn't come here and will probably end up at Liverpool or City at some stage.

The period where we mindlessly watched good managers go elsewhere, whilst blindly sticking by Ole, has really bit us in the backside and I think/hope the club now realises how stupid we were.
 
The Defence of Poch is embarrassing.

ETH doing what is expected of him in the Eredivisie is no great achievement but Poch's PSG leading Ligue 1 is Poch meeting the minimum standard, forgetting they finished 2nd last year.

Poch has 2 good seasons between 15/16 & 16/17 but as soon as the pressure was on his Spurs team buckled as finishing 3rd in a 2 horse race.

The 18/19 season they got to the CL Final yes he beat ETH's Ajax but once the new year came around his Spurs team were awful only just scraped Top 4, they got away with the obvious Handball against City, for his final 9 months Spurs league form was relegation standard.
 
We Need Another Rebuild said:
The Defence of Poch is embarrassing.

ETH doing what is expected of him in the Eredivisie is no great achievement but Poch's PSG leading Ligue 1 is Poch meeting the minimum standard, forgetting they finished 2nd last year.

Poch has 2 good seasons between 15/16 & 16/17 but as soon as the pressure was on his Spurs team buckled as finishing 3rd in a 2 horse race.

The 18/19 season they got to the CL Final yes he beat ETH's Ajax but once the new year came around his Spurs team were awful only just scraped Top 4, they got away with the obvious Handball against City, for his final 9 months Spurs league form was relegation standard.
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Be someone in too tell you opposite of this. And try and run down Hag.


So much evidence around of Poch not being the man for us at this moment in time. No real need to debate it, it's quite clear.
 
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