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Who should be the next permanent manager?

  • Luis Enrique

    Votes: 113 7.4%
  • Erik ten Hag

    Votes: 1,300 84.7%
  • Julen Lopetegui

    Votes: 10 0.7%
  • Mauricio Pochettino

    Votes: 79 5.1%
  • None of the above

    Votes: 32 2.1%

  • Total voters
    1,534
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Poch has built 2 excellent teams in England.
Were Southampton “excellent”?Plenty of very ordinary teams finished 8th and went on to achieve nothing. The manner in which they played was nothing spectacular at all in fact.

At Spurs the guy spent money, built a good side, closest to getting to Pep or Klopp with more than just counterattacks but even still...never looked like they had any long term stability and some of his signings were appalling.

Poch is a good manager but I feel we need to just try something new. Poch feels familiar. There will be no taking the game to City or Pool- say... the way Inter did this season. It will be very much 3 more years of hoping we can score one of our 3 chances we get over 90 minutes.

ETH, like RR has an idea and a way of playing- and seeks to enforce our way of playing on the other team....whether or not ETH can implement it is another question. RR has found this bunch quite limited thus far.
 
Poch is a good manager but I feel we need to just try something new.
Exactly the vibes people want ETH on. Because he’s never managed in the PL we’ve never seen him fail so the mystery around him makes people believe in the possibility he’s some kind of genius and magical solution to our issues. In practice, he’s definitely not the best choice.

However, he has shown what a great coach he is at Ajax and maybe he is an absolute genius, who knows. I’d still rather go with Poch who knows the PL inside out.
 
Pochetinno is winning Ligue 1 handily this season. Oh wait, it's a farmers league from what I'm told and PSG should be winning it anyway. What does that make the Eredivisie?
There is relatively more competition in the Eredivisie than Ligue 1. Though the Ligue 1 is of higher quality. PSV is a very worthy rival at the very least. PSG has nothing like that bar freak seasons.
 
Exactly the vibes people want ETH on. Because he’s never managed in the PL we’ve never seen him fail so the mystery around him makes people believe in the possibility he’s some kind of genius and magical solution to our issues. In practice, he’s definitely not the best choice.

However, he has shown what a great coach he is at Ajax and maybe he is an absolute genius, who knows. I’d still rather go with Poch who knows the PL inside out.
You rather Poch who showed that he ultimately wasnt good enough in his proven PL stint?
 
Exactly the vibes people want ETH on. Because he’s never managed in the PL we’ve never seen him fail so the mystery around him makes people believe in the possibility he’s some kind of genius and magical solution to our issues. In practice, he’s definitely not the best choice.

However, he has shown what a great coach he is at Ajax and maybe he is an absolute genius, who knows. I’d still rather go with Poch who knows the PL inside out.
if you are the management, would you go for Poch when your fan base want ETH? Change the football culture of a club and also its fans is a big task, and even LVG failed.
 
if you are the management, would you go for Poch when your fan base want ETH? Change the football culture of a club and also its fans is a big task, and even LVG failed.


What fanbase? The vast majority of people who want Ten Hag know absolutely nothing about him other than he is the hipster choice.

Whenever their arguement mostly includes the words klopp worked you know know how little insight they have of him or the dutch league.

I would sincerely hope that whoever is making the decision are listening to people who know Ten Hag inside and out
 
What fanbase? The vast majority of people who want Ten Hag know absolutely nothing about him other than he is the hipster choice.

Whenever their arguement mostly includes the words klopp worked you know know how little insight they have of him or the dutch league.

I would sincerely hope that whoever is making the decision are listening to people who know Ten Hag inside and out
To me, if a legendary manager like LVG with his deep knowledge of possession based football who did exact that in Bayern Munich failed in Man Utd, I would not under estimate the difficulty of the task at all. A young manager with not enough success on his CV is difficult to earn respect and get the "buy in" from senior players. Just looked at André Villas-Boas at chelsea back then. Basically no one listened to him. Or Benitez in Real Madrid. You can say the same for Arteta in Arsenal as well, so he had to kick them all out for free.
 
What fanbase? The vast majority of people who want Ten Hag know absolutely nothing about him other than he is the hipster choice.

Whenever their arguement mostly includes the words klopp worked you know know how little insight they have of him or the dutch league.

I would sincerely hope that whoever is making the decision are listening to people who know Ten Hag inside and out
True but do you think we know less than the United hierarchy? The ones who got in Moyes, then LVG who changed everything to only bring Jose to undo all that work. Then they though Ole was the oracle. What were the decision making for all of those choices? Honestly LVG and Jose just seemed to be the best available when we were looking. Plus on top of that, when a top manager does come available we don’t bother because we’re doing okay. Rather than being ambitious and making a change early we dilly dally.

Let the fans make the decision on Hag rather than the board having a hard on with Poch, who we’ve all see fail on several attempts!
 
I get what your saying but after his spell at psg it seems poch is on his way down where as ten Hag is on the up. PSG don’t have a recognisable style of play under poch where as Ajax clearly do. Poch seems like he does well at outsider teams, like he can over achieve with the likes of spurs and Southampton but when it comes to managing the big clubs does he have what it takes? I don’t think he can handle pressure at big clubs. Not saying ten Hag can or will but we will never know the answer to that because ten Hag has never had the chance to manage a big club.


PSG don't have a recognisable style of play because they are very unbalanced and they certainly don't suit Pochs high intensity style, 3 very talented but ultimately not hard working forwards a workmanlike but lacking true quality midfield and an above average defence don't really constitute a particular style. They didn't have a particular style under tuchel either if anything that sat deeper and were a little more pragmatic. Poch is trying to be braver but trying to be braver with a forward line that is basically non essistent in a defensive fashion is hard and it is not really working for him.

Don't think it's fair to judge Poch on 2 half seasons at PSG, we have seen what he can do the question is can he do it again? And can he take it to the next level if given the chance to. There is only one way we will find out, and like any manager appointment oy carries a risk of failure.

ETH isn't without risk by the way, coming from the echo chamber of Ajax into one of the top clubs in the PL being expected to take that club back to the top, noone knows weather he will be able to handle the rigours of managing in England let alone weather he can live up to expectation and weather he can get his style of football to work outside of Ajax.

I would be quite happy with either to be honest and it probably is between those two. There are far worse candidates and not many better in all honesty.
 
What fanbase? The vast majority of people who want Ten Hag know absolutely nothing about him other than he is the hipster choice.

Whenever their arguement mostly includes the words klopp worked you know know how little insight they have of him or the dutch league.

I would sincerely hope that whoever is making the decision are listening to people who know Ten Hag inside and out
Don’t like this “hipster” phrase. ETH worked with Pep at Bayern and was recognised enough for his improvement of Utrecht to be given the Ajax job to start with.loads of top coaches wax lyrical about him - Klopp and Pep included and you can’t be a manager of a CL semi finalist and really be considered a “hipster” choice. It’s not like he coached some Romanian minnows to the Liga 1 title playing counterpressingtikataka with inverted double goalkeepers.
 
Both ETH and Poch are risky appointments. Its weird to air this opinion only for ETH and not for Poch.
 
At this point, wake me up when we're even close to appointing someone. I'm already feeling myself being uninterested in anything beyond the games themselves.

I couldn't care less about transfers because I just don't believe the people in charge of United are able to tie their shoelaces at this point.
 
This season, Poch hasn't won an away game against the top 7 teams in Ligue 1 and didn't win an away game in the Champions League.
 
Every time I see "club sources" talk about Poch I just assume it's some squad player that wants to set the media narrative.

These hopeless fools must be desperate for poch now, considering the embarrassment this season has turned into.
 
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I can`t talk much about Ultrecht but its blasphemy suggesting he didn`t build a team at Ajax. If your logic is correct Poch didn`t "build" Spurs.
Lloris, Walker, Rose, Vertonghen, Kane, Winks and Eriksen are the starting 11 players he found there thats more than half the team, could probably add Lamela. Credit where it`s due developing Kane and to some extent Winks but everyone else was proven at a decent or high level so he didn`t really build them rather inherited a strong foundation he built on using your logic.

I`ve done some digging looking up Ajax`s team from the EL Final in 2017 and Onana is the ONLY player currently that was part of that team who`s still at Ajax whereas Ziyech, De Ligt, De Jong, Van De Beek, Veltman, Schone, Dolberg and Neres are players he found at Ajax and either improved or promoted from the Academy and he added Tagliafico, Blind and Tadic.

That`s a number of starting 11 players he may have inherited but between 2019-2021 De Ligt, Veltman, De Jong, Schone, Van De Beek, Ziyech, Dolberg and recently Neres have all been sold and he`s replaced them with Lisandro Martinez, promoted Mazaroui/Dest(Dest got sold too) promoted Gravenberch, Edson Alvarez, Haller, Antony, Klaassen and Berghuis. In addition he`s recently promoted Timber who`s one of the most promising CBs in the world. As you can see yes you`re right he did inherit a lot of players that lead to his good run in 18/19(as did Poch) however a lot of those players have been sold in a short space of time and replaced mostly with players of lower quality and Ajax are still punching above their weight. Don`t question Ten Hag`s team building ability.

In that period ETH has had to rebuild Ajax Poch ONLY lost Walker prior to 2019 who was replaced by Trippier(signed a season earlier) and Aurier. He kept the rest of his players and added Alderweireld, Wanyama, Dier, Sissoko, Alli and Son to his starting 11 discounting the "squad players" he signed and while he did a solid job in the PL it`s disappointing he didn`t win an FA Cup or Carling Cup as he had a genuinely top squad.

Pochettino in the one and a half seasons he was at Southampton never lost any key players but added Osvaldo, Chambers, Lovern and Wanyama in addition to Lallana, Clyne, Shaw, Ward Prowse, Gaston Ramirez, Gazzaniga, Fonte, Schneiderlin, Lambert and Jay Rodriguez amongst his other key players who were already there. Yes he did a solid job improving and promoting the players there but if you compare and contrast Pochettino and ETH`s team building stints the latter wins this one hands on since the former never faced the challenge of losing a lot of key players from the existing core he inherited and having to replace them in a short space of time.If he ever did that and STILL maintained the same levels yes you could argue Poch`s team building is better.

Ten Hag on the other hand has never had the luck of keeping his key players for a short space of time but he`s still managed to do a similar impressive if not more impressive job than Poch. Most smart clubs would gamble with the man who`s shown he can do it regardless of the team he has with the possibility of hitting elite levels with his own team over a man who`s had the luck of keeping his players and recently managed a super team but still fallen short in one way or another.

You're giving him too much credit for 'building' that Ajax team. Playing youth and selling players at the right price comes with the job and Hag knew it walking through the door. It has been reported recently that he's getting a tad frustrated with the frequency in which he has to work with new squads, but that's understandable. He is aware it's the job.

https://talksport.com/football/1062673/manchester-united-eric-ten-hag-ajax-transfers-ralf-rangnick/


“The lifespan of our team has always been short in recent years.

“I understood – and still understand – the sale of players.

“But you can hardly cope with such bloodletting if you want to continue to play a significant role in the Champions League.
“You need giant players for that – and Ajax can not buy that calibre of players.”


Can you tell me what role he has in recruiting players and promoting youth from an already well established world famous youth system if he doesn't care much for rotation for instance? It would seem to me he enjoys promoting players the club develops but is slow to give them opportunities. Hag has also stated he wouldn't mind having a director of football on the bench with him like they do in Germany, so as to be a buffer for the noise. He needs a rigid well put together structure in front of him

Ten Hag is also very rigid with his starting 11. It's a criticism he's faced from a section of Ajax supporters

https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ws/ten-hag-united-manager-pochettino-23367035

The only time Ten Hag seems to rotate is when he feels the game is not important and then it is rotation on mass, with a number of players being changed.


https://www.allaboutajax.com/2021/12/back-to-the-top-the-transformation-of-afc-ajax/

In what was a special campaign three years ago, the starting XI was almost always the same for Ten Hag. Whilst a lack of rotation is the case this season, the quality in depth is much more significant this time around.

Ten Hag has bragged about the quality of depth in the Ajax squad, going back to his deep CL run in 2019

https://www.allaboutajax.com/2019/11/ten-hag-squad-depth-is-essential-for-success/

So he valued squad depth back in 2019 but always played the same teams, and now he has even more squad depth but does not rotate much. What part of team building is that in your opinion?

He has three assistants only one of which he chose apparently (Mitchell Van Der Gaag) and a team composed of several former Ajax players who are fixed in place. In all likelihood he's coming to united staff-light with Der Gaag. He only suggested one member of staff during his interview with Spurs and that caught them off guard as he expected Levy to source the rest of his staff, including goalkeeper coaches.

I've asked before, do you think united will give him the support he needs in this respect? If he expects a professionally run club here he might find himself performing more roles than he thinks he will. Ok, he did that at Utrecht, but this is united.

Tag hasn't improved on his 2019 CL run and has not had a deep run in the EL which his predecessor Bosz managed to in 2017. This season was the first since 2019 that Ajax made it out the group stages of the CL and he lost at home to the weakest team remaining in Benfica. Fine he has won 2 domestic league titles with Ajax and is on the verge of a third in tightly contested race, but that's to be expected considering his calibre which I recognize (I'm aware they didn't win it for five seasons before he came, and Frank De Boer won it four times in a row from 2010-2014) and with the incredible backing he gets from Ajax. The Dutch titles do not wow me. Poch is winning the Ligue 1 title easily in his first full season in charge after Tuchel's sacking. Is he damaged goods for failing to win the CL in his first full season? PSG failed with Tuchel. Pep hasn't won the CL since his Barcelona days and has been at City 6 years. The criticisms are not balanced, and Ten Hag gets too much credit for Ajax's team development in my opinion.
 
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I'm not usually one for theories, but Reddy rarely has info on United, and she's a known Scouse, so I wouldn't put it past her to champion Poch and dress it up as an exclusive.
This. She is a good reporter but I don't think she has cemented a United affiliated credibility.
 
Ten Hag gets too much credit for Ajax's team development in my opinion.
I don't think Ten Hag deserves any credit for that. There is a football director for that role, and he is just a head coach. Ajax being Ajax they will develop players with or without Ten Hag.
 
There is relatively more competition in the Eredivisie than Ligue 1. Though the Ligue 1 is of higher quality. PSV is a very worthy rival at the very least. PSG has nothing like that bar freak seasons.

That says a lot about PSV. Their record signing is still Mateja Kezman who they signed in 2001. The club is worth about 153M Euros compared to Ajax's 364M. They've always been worthy rivals and so have Fyenoord but the gulf in difference financial power wise is huge. Ajax should absolutely be dominating
 
I don't think Ten Hag deserves any credit for that. There is a football director for that role, and he is just a head coach. Ajax being Ajax they will develop players with or without Ten Hag.

I agree and this is what I've been saying. It's not the same as me suggesting he's not a talented coach. This thread needs balanced and factual contributions, thank you
 
That says a lot about PSV. Their record signing is still Mateja Kezman who they signed in 2001. The club is worth about 153M Euros compared to Ajax's 364M. They've always been worthy rivals and so have Fyenoord but the gulf in difference financial power wise is huge. Ajax should absolutely be dominating
It is just like saying Arsenal is worthy competition to Man Utd.
 
In other words the club still hasn't got a clue in which direction they want to go and are still just media briefing cnuts.
 
Will wait on other journos to report it, but from recent memory Neil Custis' record hasn't actually been that bad.
 
Fair play to Poch for going through PSG's worst run of form in 3 years just as the managerial search has been hotting up :lol:

In most circumstances, given the clubs hard-on for him, he would've been nailed on had they not choked epically against Madrid and all the subsequent blowback from that defeat
 
Don’t like this “hipster” phrase. ETH worked with Pep at Bayern and was recognised enough for his improvement of Utrecht to be given the Ajax job to start with.loads of top coaches wax lyrical about him - Klopp and Pep included and you can’t be a manager of a CL semi finalist and really be considered a “hipster” choice. It’s not like he coached some Romanian minnows to the Liga 1 title playing counterpressingtikataka with inverted double goalkeepers.

He's the hipster choice because the majority of fans wanting his appointment go off social media buzz and have no idea about this information you're sharing. The wording may not apply to you
 
Checked Custis' Twitter, the only thing there is him calling out the aforementioned Melissa Reddy




Was the Ten Hag stuff in the Sun?
 
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