For them to be divided after this long between two managers is inexcusable.
They should have had a priority of one over the other months ago, and stuck to that plan of action. If true this suggests the club is still all over the place.
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For them to be divided after this long between two managers is inexcusable.
They should have had a priority of one over the other months ago, and stuck to that plan of action. If true this suggests the club is still all over the place.
I mean it’s mid-March not mid-May. Other than a deal with a free agent most transfers wouldn’t really get going until June.
A lot of these articles read as speculation or of one member of staff whose not in the loop talking to the papers. If it was say a random scout leaking this then what would they know about the next manager? We could have a signed contract in place and not tell that staff member out of respect for the managers current club.
PSG themselves are reported to have a bit of a reboot with employees above Poch. And I think they will scout the market for available options too before sacking him. The manager market is very bleak for them - no one is attainable + suitable + interested.
Ten Hag wouldn't be suitable, Zidane isn't interested and the other names or punts aren't attainable. It's one thing sacking him but then who do you replace with?
This is was possible/likely if we debated our club operations 6-8 years ago but it's only a plausible scenario now. We know how our club acts and operates and how divided the staff reportedly are. I find it highly unlikely they signed pre contracts with players with firm understandings that they'll suit the next manager. In no small part because they cant decide who the next manager is in the first place.
I think the club more than likely wanted Poch but with Woodward going, Murtough given more responsibility and Rangnick coming in. Ten Hag has emerged and there is disagreement between the new structure and the old decision makers.
I think I read somewhere they are seriously considering Conte for their cultural reboot. That, or he himself is interested and is using his agent to leak it.
Conte -> PSG
Poch -> Spurs
Ten Hag -> United
Seems like a solid plan to me.
Don't think that would ever happen!I think I read somewhere they are seriously considering Conte for their cultural reboot. That, or he himself is interested and is using his agent to leak it.
Conte -> PSG
Poch -> Spurs
Ten Hag -> United
Seems like a solid plan to me.
I wouldnt mind bringing in Bielsa. The football would be exciting and I think hes a great manager to initiate a rebuild...which is what we need. I doubt the likes of Tuchel and Zidane would be interested in coming here to risk their reputations (considering how awful we are).
Talk is now turning to Conte, Tuchel . We missed the bus on both when they were Available. I said when PSG sacked Tuchel, UTD should have immediately sacked Ole and Got him. Then Conte is available for ages, turns Spurs down then takes it, couple of weeks later UTD sack ole and appoint a Interim?? Ffs the board arnt decided on who to try and get. They gave a nice guy in Ole way to long in the job. Next guy has to be the right guy .
I think people are more in favour of ten Hag because his football is really good, has a clear style of play, and it’s an exciting appointment… people think they know what we’ll get with pochettino… he’s a top 4 manager at best. Ten Hag will come in and want to prove himself in the best league, he’ll strive to be the best manager, he’s got a winners mentality. Poch doesn’t seem to have that and knows that he’ll never become the best manager. Ten Hag will relish the chance to compete against pep and klopp, it could go either way with him though, could surprise everyone and bring success back or he could be a massive flop… aslong as ten hag gets us competing and improving all the time with a clear style, then that in itself is a success. No manager has yet come in and had us playing good football whilst still being organised. I feel ten hag will give us that, his style of play being a possession based style will help us control matches a lot more.
Yes but he can’t organise a defence to save his life. It’s alright being very attack minded but if your leaving spaces open at the back every game then your gonna get sliced open and concede a lot.
Unfortunately it's clearly going to be Poch and we're just attempting to appease fans with putting ten Hag name in there.
If United appoint Poch will somebody wake me up in 2025 for the next round of the circus looking for a new ringmaster?
No doubt we'll appoint Ten Hag then after he's failed at PSG.
No doubt we'll appoint Ten Hag then after he's failed at PSG.
Longer we go without solid confirmation the more unrest it will cause with the fans and speculation will always be around with us.
It's concerning but not surprising the board/dof etc can't come to a solid agreement as we are lacking in solid decision makers at board level.
What worries me the most is the longer we wait, the less time we will have to sort out transfers, both outgoings and incomings.
We have a lot of movement needed and while a lot of the outgoings could be done regardless of manager, who comes in and certain fringe players future surely rest on the vision/style of the new manager?
The usual names are being branded but it's hard to see what would be best.
Ten hag - looks to be the part, but he'd be coming from a weaker league into a much bigger club. Would the pressure of the utd job be too much for him?
Poch - Crumbled in the end at Spurs and hasn't set the world on fire at PSG. I've watched a few of his press conferences lately and to me he looks worn out. Would he have the motivation and hunger to dive straight into a project like ours?
Conte - Recently joined Spurs. Not a chance
Zidane - Turned us down twice apparently. It's never happening. He inherited an absolute world class team in Madrid, no suggestion at all he could helm a rebuild as big as ours
Tuchel - Proven winner, great in Europe, knows the premier league. Would he jump ship? If there's ever a benefit as having Ralf as an advisor??
Clearly our next appointment has to be a smart one. We've made some stinking choices, Moyes was never the man to replace Fergie. LVG and Mourinho we're never the right fit for us and Ole probably had the job too long and wasn't quite up to it.
It's a tough job ours, we have high expectations, demanding fans and despite our fall from dominance i'd still say it's the most high profile job in the country.
Given the demand against the actual squad, it's a near impossible job to be frank. How can we demand instant success with the troubles with the squad and the way we are run? Who on earth could get us back on track under our board?
I think someone like a Potter or a Rodgers would do well, given the time. Ten Hag/Poch/Tuchel too of course, it's whether we allow them time and be patient for whatever they want to implement to work.
I've no faith in us at all until we have a major overhaul of the squad. This current group have failed under Jose, Ole and now Ralf. The chance of this group suddenly playing well for another manager is slim to none. We need a cultural re-boot from top to bottom.
My bet is Tuchel, he's the best candidate by far for me. Connections with Ralf, who is staying with us. Them two as a pair could implement the kind of change we need
It's concerning but not surprising the board/dof etc can't come to a solid agreement as we are lacking in solid decision makers at board level.
What worries me the most is the longer we wait, the less time we will have to sort out transfers, both outgoings and incomings.
We have a lot of movement needed and while a lot of the outgoings could be done regardless of manager, who comes in and certain fringe players future surely rest on the vision/style of the new manager?
The usual names are being branded but it's hard to see what would be best.
Ten hag - looks to be the part, but he'd be coming from a weaker league into a much bigger club. Would the pressure of the utd job be too much for him?
Poch - Crumbled in the end at Spurs and hasn't set the world on fire at PSG. I've watched a few of his press conferences lately and to me he looks worn out. Would he have the motivation and hunger to dive straight into a project like ours?
Conte - Recently joined Spurs. Not a chance
Zidane - Turned us down twice apparently. It's never happening. He inherited an absolute world class team in Madrid, no suggestion at all he could helm a rebuild as big as ours
Tuchel - Proven winner, great in Europe, knows the premier league. Would he jump ship? If there's ever a benefit as having Ralf as an advisor??
Clearly our next appointment has to be a smart one. We've made some stinking choices, Moyes was never the man to replace Fergie. LVG and Mourinho we're never the right fit for us and Ole probably had the job too long and wasn't quite up to it.
It's a tough job ours, we have high expectations, demanding fans and despite our fall from dominance i'd still say it's the most high profile job in the country.
Given the demand against the actual squad, it's a near impossible job to be frank. How can we demand instant success with the troubles with the squad and the way we are run? Who on earth could get us back on track under our board?
I think someone like a Potter or a Rodgers would do well, given the time. Ten Hag/Poch/Tuchel too of course, it's whether we allow them time and be patient for whatever they want to implement to work.
I've no faith in us at all until we have a major overhaul of the squad. This current group have failed under Jose, Ole and now Ralf. The chance of this group suddenly playing well for another manager is slim to none. We need a cultural re-boot from top to bottom.
My bet is Tuchel, he's the best candidate by far for me. Connections with Ralf, who is staying with us. Them two as a pair could implement the kind of change we need
You make it sound like all United have to do is click their fingers and any manager would come running. Zidane definitely isn't coming. Flick has only been in his job less than a year. If Germany do well under him why would he leave? Enrique could possibly be the next City boss as everything about the club is set up for him if Pep is still set on leaving and of course if Enrique decides to leave himself.
So who does that leave? ETH I think could be persuaded because United manager is a lot bigger than the Ajax job, with all respect to Ajax and would be a big step up for him and I've always felt that Poch would love the United job and the club are definite admirers and has proved himself capable of holding his own in the PL.
United are an absolute mess at the minute. It's not as an attractive prospect as you might think and frankly if either Poch or ETH came in I'd be delighted.
I agree that United would need a manager in place soon to avoid a Moyes Summer - he wasn't officially in position until July 1st, we clearly hadn't planned ahead, other clubs knew it too and we got taken for a ride all Summer. A lot of our current issues can still be traced back to that summer.
However, what can United realistically do to avoid a late appointment? Your opinions will obviously differ, but for me the only candidates I believe are about the level of Klopp/Guardiola are treble winner Luis Enrique or coach of the year Thomas Tuchel. Tuchel. Even if they were both interested they are both contracted. I think ten Hag has the potential to reach that level, but again isn't available for another 2 months at least. If Pochettino is the one they want, same story.
If we want the better managers, we have to accept they're going to be contracted. I'd personally rather wait until January and get the man I believe is the very best for the job who'll seriously challenge Liverpool and City, than get someone lesser just to get them in quicker.
But it's a serious question, what would you do? Unlikely they'll be bought out a couple of months before the end of the season
This was the whole point of hiring an interim manager in the first place to give the board ample time to find the right manager. The process should’ve been started the minute Ralf was appointed, we’re now a few months in and they seem as clueless as ever.
What I would do is get an agreement in place with a manager, yes lets say they won’t come until seasons end but that doesn’t mean you can’t do something behind the scenes and get their thoughts on players and such surely
In theory it should work, but with both Moyes and Van Gaal we knew they were the next manager months before they officially came. And yet both later complained in interviews about a lack of preparation in their first Summers.
For me the best thing would be to have a situation like when we hired Mourinho, where an hour after the full time whistle of our final game we knew he was coming in and then it was official within the week I believe. That was a good Summer window at the time too, and lead to winning the Europa League the following season. (our last trophy)
Others, especially Chelsea fans, will disagree but I'm certain in my mind that if United made Tuchel their number 1 target, put the others to one side and focused 100% on getting Tuchel, that they'd be able to have him in place by the end of May
If Ajax would of already won the league with a few games left in the season it might of been possible to announce ten Hag earlier, if of course he’s our number 1 target. The way it’s looking though is that we’re waiting for psg to sack pochettino and then we’ll be all over that. We need psg to keep pochettino and then we’ll most likely get ten Hag as his buy out clause will be much cheaper then pochettino.
Ten Hag seems like the frontrunner to me.
That's fine, at this stage I've stopped having a preference between the two candidates and just want us to be sure of it.
I don't like the "as it stands" bollocks though. If we want Poch, get Poch. If we want Ten Hag, get Ten Hag.
Illustrious offer. By gum.
Gary Neville retweeted the Luckhurst tweet
Best managers won’t be interested without CL football unless they’re out of a job. That’s why I think Poch is inevitable.
United is still the biggest job in world football. Every manager wants this job.
Top managers also have egos, that is why they would love to be the one who turns our fortunes round.
I expect us to appoint Ten Hag now.. but I can see it causing a lot of problems over the next year or so.. expect to see players attempting to throw him under a bus because they can’t get their heads around modern attacking football, or tactical discipline.. Rangnick has already given up on this lot.
clear out needed, starting with defense, then work forward.. we’ll just have to accept the fact that the attack do whatever the hell they like for a season and hope to nick some good results,
I hate Europa but it’s a fair reflection of where we’re at currently, we can’t keep leaking goals in the manner we do and expect to be taken seriously.. a season playing against some random minnows might do us and the new manager the world of good tbh.
clear out needed, starting with defense, then work forward.. we’ll just have to accept the fact that the attack do whatever the hell they like for a season and hope to nick some good results,
I hate Europa but it’s a fair reflection of where we’re at currently, we can’t keep leaking goals in the manner we do and expect to be taken seriously.. a season playing against some random minnows might do us and the new manager the world of good tbh.
Sorry, no it isn't.
Neither the biggest, most powerful club right now (probably City), nor the most prestigious or historically famed (win another 10 CLs and then you might be on par with Real Madrid).
What if Chelsea are sold before the end of May, what then for us? Go back to Poch or ETH with our tails between our legs having wasted how many months of possible preparations? If Chelsea get a buyer their whole situation changes dramatically so we should stay well away from him for now because I think that their situation won't take long to resolve.
If they feel Tuchel is the guy to triumph over Klopp and Guardiola.. why not?
Better to risk everything to get the best guy for the job and fail than to go for someone lesser because you don't want to take the risk for better. Fans would understand and the job would be no less appealing to potential managers.
Since I ignore pretty much everything he says, this isn't good news.
City is a place to go if you want to lay low. Think of it as a witness protection program for football.
United is still the biggest job in world football don't kid yourself. Nowhere else do you get the power you get in United, Madrid included. That might change now with the new structure, but managers will still line up to take the job.
Sure, I just don’t believe the papers. I think they now it riles us up and that gets clicks.
Or its no news!
I meant we could have a signed contract with the new manager already. We wouldn't tel the staff about it out of respect to the team he’s currently at.
That's very difficult to keep under the wraps and not sure how that would work operationally whilst they are in a contract with other clubs.
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