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Ok, I see your point. Yes, managing a top club without a proper structure around the manager is possibly the biggest job, but surely not the best if you care about your chances of winning stuff. Nonetheless it's definitely something interesting to get United back on track, albeit it's not a title guarantee like some other clubs.
Probably, but no news is good news.
Well he does say ETH is the first choicePoch, Tuchel, Ten Hag… well done Sam, we call that hedging your bets
And you make it sound like United is West Ham United. If City got Mancini and Pep, Man United can get top managers too; it's about having a proper plan in place and the willingness to do it. Managers and players will go almost anywhere that provides an environment for future success. If that environment is not going to be there, then it's fairly irrelevant who we get anyway and we are wasting our time debating on managers.
Wow shocked, surprised, that the club hasn’t started any preparations in the transfer market. I mean Murtough was here to change things wasn’t he?
The “as it stands” could be alluding to us watching the Chelsea situation re Tuchel?
Murtough is not that sort of Director or Football
What i find odd is the notion that we are in such bad shape that we absolutely have to get the next appointment right otherwise we may as well give up. But for the last 10 years the club has done everything apart from the one thing that might get us back competing which is appointing a currently world class tactically modern manager. And yes i know that the correct structure is needed upstairs as well but i think such a manager can do a good job irregardless. But would do even better with the right structure in place.
It sounds so simple yet i'm incredulous that we haven't tried it yet, we've had Moyes (not good enough), Van Gaal (could argue he was past it and his style didn't fit the league), Mourinho (his best days were behind him) and Ole (not good enough). Now if we'd spent the last 10 years appointing genuinely good managers who liked to play good football then i'm certain we wouldn't be in this situation now as one of them would have clicked. And i'm certain appointing one of ETH or Poch would set us in the right direction. I favor ETH as i feel Poch wouldn't get us close enough to Liverpool or City but either would put us in the right direction to start the process of closing the gap.
It sounds so simple yet i'm incredulous that we haven't tried it yet, we've had Moyes (not good enough), Van Gaal (could argue he was past it and his style didn't fit the league), Mourinho (his best days were behind him) and Ole (not good enough). Now if we'd spent the last 10 years appointing genuinely good managers who liked to play good football then i'm certain we wouldn't be in this situation now as one of them would have clicked. And i'm certain appointing one of ETH or Poch would set us in the right direction. I favor ETH as i feel Poch wouldn't get us close enough to Liverpool or City but either would put us in the right direction to start the process of closing the gap.
Bielsa is a fraud. Ain’t been a top class manager since Racing in the 90’s.
I feel so too. It should be simple thought.
Ask them both what’s there plans for Harry Maguire. Whoever says get rid. Go with him.
The only "fan" that would understand is you. Majority of the people even outside Utd will see it as the same type of foolishness that made us chase Fabregas all summer just to end up with Fellaini when we could have gotten Thiago.
So with your analogy Tuchel is Fabregas, ETH is Thiago and Poch Fellaini?
Am I right in thinking that Chelsea aren't allowed to make money?
If so, how are we supposed to get Tuchel when we wouldn't be able to buy him out of his contract? Total non-starter for me, don't know where all the hype has come from
If so, how are we supposed to get Tuchel when we wouldn't be able to buy him out of his contract? Total non-starter for me, don't know where all the hype has come from
Thiago was never joining us. He wanted to reunite with Pep at Bayern. We were simply not appealing to top players during that window.
Luckhurst got a few exclusives for us on the summer I seem to remember. Certainly first on Varane and was solid with Sancho news too. I think this is good news for ETH fans
I really hope the club realise how crucial it is to Manutd for them to make a decision on the manager asap. We cannot afford to wait till the end of the season.
- Manager needs to be identified, approached, hired.
- We have question marks over every player at the moment, starting from DDG to CR7. The only 2 players I feel are secure are Varane and Sancho
A manager is required asap so we can prepare, the manager can let our "board" know what players he wants to keep, where he wants to improve as a priority.
It is a very weird situation we are in, I would be happy to see the back of alot of these players, which is why it is imperative we get a manager in asap.
- Manager needs to be identified, approached, hired.
- We have question marks over every player at the moment, starting from DDG to CR7. The only 2 players I feel are secure are Varane and Sancho
A manager is required asap so we can prepare, the manager can let our "board" know what players he wants to keep, where he wants to improve as a priority.
It is a very weird situation we are in, I would be happy to see the back of alot of these players, which is why it is imperative we get a manager in asap.
Bang on the money
He was keen but we dithered till Bayern showed interest and of course it was going one way from there. If we struck a deal early in the window when we had no competition he'd have joined us
It was widely reported that Thiago was lined up for OT by Fergie and Moyes said no. Rio said publicly that Thiago even called him to talk about the move and ask him to push for it. How Moyes ever got the job will remain one of the great mysteries of this century.
Great news
My choices are as follows: 1) Conte, I don't care what anyone else says...the guy is a winner and sort of guy that our touchy players need.
2) Tuchel: Proven and I like him
3) ETH: Always question mark on it someone from Ajax can take the step forward but would be happy with him
4) Poch: Enough said......
2) Tuchel: Proven and I like him
3) ETH: Always question mark on it someone from Ajax can take the step forward but would be happy with him
4) Poch: Enough said......
Would I be right in thinking that if you were looking for a candidate to work amicably and without friction within a DOF set-up, ETH would be the guy more so than someone like Poch?
The hate for Luckhurst by some is strange. He’s been spot on recently and is not afraid to voice his displeasure at the way the club operates.
It's not strange - he's an known to be a bit of a dick if I'm not mistaken.
His news is spot on more times than not though.
Europeans or South Americans will always have Real as No1 and Barca No2. Good thing Barca look like they’re a couple of year away from sorting out their finances though.
Oh for sure, it’s a poisoned chalice if it goes badly but whoever can get us back to challenging for the league will be seen as a miracle worker given the recent issues. That said, we obviously couldn’t attract Zidane and there will be some managers who are hesitant until they know we have CL football and what the budget is given how many players we are losing.
Exactly, he regularly reports with his opinion being the centre of his articles, rather than the facts he's reporting on.
I don't agree with you. Firstly i'm not the only one who would understand United trying to go for the best manager they believe is obtainable. If you really think that, it's hard to see that I'll get much in the way of sense from this.
And your analogy is completely unrelated. I could counter by saying they shouldn't have just got Van De Beek because he was available, and they should have gone for Grealish and risked it being Grealish or nobody.
I think more dicks are needed in light of the aholes running the club.
I'm leaning towards ETH myself, now it's almost crunch time. I just feel that, ultimately, he's potentially very good and I'd like us to roll the dice. I was for Jose being given a chance when we hired him/when Fergie retired, but in hindsight I always feel like we just made the wrong appointments at the wrong time and that's why it's been a catastrophe. When I ask myself what is potentially the 'wrong' appointment right now then it is going to be somebody like Poch, Ancelotti or Lopetegui. I think ETH is the one thst has potentially the biggest upside and probably is the one that we won't be sat here in 18 months time saying 'we should have known this would happen', because he's on an upwards trajectory. I'm not saying any of these would definitely fail, but I feel they fall more into the same bracket as our previous failed appointments.
Ultimately our fanbase needs to be united behind a decision for once. Given a manager that everybody will back and trust their decisions, not stirring up hate on social media and forums.
Ultimately our fanbase needs to be united behind a decision for once. Given a manager that everybody will back and trust their decisions, not stirring up hate on social media and forums.
If the facts are that the club is incompetent, how else would you like him to report?
That's an impossible task. You'd even get people moaning if we signed Haaland this summer.
We can't tell the future. If we announced Pochettino tomorrow, I think the reaction would be extremely negative. If in a year from today, he has us top of the league then he'll be a hero and Argentina flags will float around the stands. On the flip side, getting Tuchel would have extremely positive reactions but people would soon want him sacked in December if we were 6th and 20 points off city again. So what I'm saying is that the initial reaction to an appointment isn't important, United just need to get it right for once and the attitude will change based on performance
6 months to make the decision this time, no excuses.
Not sure I agree. A negative atmosphere around the fanbase is not good business for the owners. The threshold for being patient with Poch will be very low, and if or when things start going south, the negativity around the club will amplify, and it won't be long till the protests start gathering momentum again. I also feel that a Poch appointment would kill any buzz for next season, with a lot of fans checking out or just feeling apathetic. Won't be good for business either.
If he reported it well enough, it would be obvious to everyone who read it. You don't need a diatribe alongside everything, which he tends to do.
I agree and I've had many arguments on here over Poch and how people downplay his abilities. I think that what you are saying will be the true reality for any manager, but this is why my head is telling me Ten Hag is the right choice now. I think there is no quick fix for us and any manager that comes in and tries to implement their style, which they all ultimately will, is going to struggle. I think the first 6 months will be troublesome for whoever we get and there will be grumblings amongst the supporters and media because they haven't fixed us immediately. But I think because so many are for Ten Hag, this will buy him that little bit more time. He's as good a chance as any of them of being the man to sort us out, so why not? That's my logic upon reflecting on our situation after the Atletico game.
The other thing, like I mentioned, is that he hasn't really failed yet and is generally on an upwards trajectory. Something we have bemoaned us failing to account for when hiring managers in the past. I think he will be the first one, post Fergie, to fall into this bracked. Perhaps that will be the key to changing our fortunes and bringing more positivity to the club.
Yes you wouldn't be the only one that would understand but you and those selected few would be in the minority. Majority would simply have another field day bashing Utd for "dithering" and being slow rightly or wrongly
The difference between your analogy and the current reality is Grealish was gettable albeit for a steep fee but I personally think he'd be a misfit wouldn't have started over Bruno, Rashford or Pogba a DM is what we should have signed that summer. Tuchel's availability will need A LOT consecutive financial and political misfortunes to happen to Chelsea in other words his availability is extremely circumstancial and it's not wise to gamble with circumstances when Ten Hag is right there with potential to be the next great manager. If they get sold to a rich owner in the next few weeks which is likely he's not coming here no matter how much money we throw at him or Chelsea
Just out of curosity, imagine if either Poch or Ten Haag fail at Man Utd
Who is the next poster child?
Who is the next poster child?
This is what I think is happening.
We should buy a manager who has won titles, no matter how small it is. We have players in the squad who are flashy and skillful , but none of them are winners. They need to have that mentality.
I think it is really important that we win something in a season or two.
Can believe we are at the same stage or worse after we sacked Mou, and that too after spending huge amounts of money. We can't afford to go for likes of pocchetino who did not win the title with PSG with that squad and in that league. At this point, our club does not need style it needs the winning mentality.
I think it is really important that we win something in a season or two.
Can believe we are at the same stage or worse after we sacked Mou, and that too after spending huge amounts of money. We can't afford to go for likes of pocchetino who did not win the title with PSG with that squad and in that league. At this point, our club does not need style it needs the winning mentality.
You want Sam Luckhurst to run the club? I'm confused.
You may well be right. Ten Hag, with his 'German pressing - Dutch possession' hybrid style is much more likely to appeal to Rangnick than Pochettino.
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