Fergie's opinion about managers had us bringing Moyes in.
Fergir's opinion about players had us bringing Ronaldo back.
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Fergir's opinion about players had us bringing Ronaldo back.
Totally agree but it's just a gut feeling
Fergie could piss into a cup and say this is football’s next greatest mind and I’d still listen to him, he may have got Moyes wrong but he is the undisputed greatest football mind that has ever existed and if he tells you something about football you tie your shoelaces and you bloody listen.
Maybe so but still think he needs to see sense and push for Ten Hag over Pochettino
Fergie said no one is bigger than the club. He's right, and that includes him as well.
If United plans to have a structure in place (to fix all the mess these previous years) with Rangnick, Murtough...etc then the plan made by "the structure" should be prioritized. Otherwise there would be no sense in creating that whole structure. Fergie did well for us, but I'd back "the structure" over him for now. Because it's the present and the future of our club.
Don't think so anymore. Woody might have done that but its Arnold and Murtough now. The latter is reportedly keen on leveraging Rangnick on opinions.
I feel like if Murtough really listened to Ralf then surely Ten Hag would be bookies favourite for this job and not Pochettino
Bookies know feck all inside information though?
Hopefully you are right,honestly feel he could imprint a style on this team given time
Ah yeah I absolutely agree, Pochettino is a fantastic manager but I just think he’s a really safe option, Ten Hag screams to me the sort of risk our rivals would make who would then win them multiple titles, he’s the right level of risk vs reward for me.
Also, I don’t think there’s any harm with us attempting to strengthen the connection between Ajax and United in a similar way Barca have, as its benefitted them immensely over the years.
I suppose in a way you’re actually very much right mate, I just happen to think we shouldn’t disregard what Fergie thinks on the matter just because of the Moyes debacle, and to be fair he was a last resort option after many of the initial choices turned us down for various reasons.
In all honesty we don’t actually know what he thinks we’ve only really got tabloid speculation to go off, we don’t know who he rates or endorses so in fairness it’s basically all speculation what Sir Alex thinks at this point.
Been a Potter hoper because I want another long-term type since I think we spend enough to be good if we're not being generally idiotic, even with the Glazers stealing money, but I gotta say watching Ajax a few times was enough to convince me that Ten Hag can turn us into a Guardiola style team and I still think that's a safer bet to being consistently good than trying to turn us into a Klopp team and I don't think we're smart enough to come up with a 3rd way.
I personally don't care if Ten Hag is a "winner or not" -
I'm just excited to have a tactically interesting manager to watch football of at United after a long time.
Success is not the most important to me now; it feels like that would just be more like the cherry on the top.
I'm just excited to have a tactically interesting manager to watch football of at United after a long time.
Success is not the most important to me now; it feels like that would just be more like the cherry on the top.
it's not just one man though
the club have been modernising the structure for a couple of years now, and have shown a willingness to give power on footballing decisions to football people for a change
the situation has changed drastically from our last few appointments, most notably with Woody gone but in other ways too (such as a DoF, and also giving Rangnick an advisory role)
chances are if we approached someone like ETH at the same time Jose took over with Woody meddling in the background, he'd have turned us down (like Klopp reportedly did at one point)
No you don't. You acknowledge that he's the greatest manager the game has seen but do what's best for the football club instead. That we do stupid things like that is why we are in this predicament.
Yeah, I don't know why people have to be so binary about this stuff. You can listen to an extremely experienced person without absolutely having to do everything they say. It's free advice.
Depends though. We shouldn't listen if he's out of touch with current trends in football.
Even as a United fan I would perhaps rate Michels above Sir Alex for talking about the undisputed greatest ever.
His tactical impact on the game just hasn’t been felt as much as the Dutch master throughout history. Pep could also be a name thrown in there or even Sacchi as people who were more revolutionary and reached higher peaks with their teams / tactical approach.
Seeing how Rangnick has performed and the players he is picking I'd take him on a permanent basis over Ten Hag, Pochettino and Ancelotti.
He's strong enough to get the CB, CDM, CM and ST that we need and offload the players we don't need.
Why waste his months of evaluating the squad. I'd rather we have him 2 years and 4 transfer budgets.
He's strong enough to get the CB, CDM, CM and ST that we need and offload the players we don't need.
Why waste his months of evaluating the squad. I'd rather we have him 2 years and 4 transfer budgets.
Rangnick said yesterday that he's had no conversations with the club regarding the next manager.
It's absolutely crazy that the board are not seeking the recommendation of Rangnick when choosing the next manager. We've got a guy with incredible football connections all over Europe, someone who understands the current trends in football, someone who knows who the best and up-and-coming managers are, someone who's had a track record of literally building entire clubs and making them successful, someone's who's literally been our manager for the last few months and knows exactly what type of manager we need. Instead, let's ignore that and let an accountant and a 80 year old SAF (who's been retired almost 10 years) decide our future. If the club ignore Rangnick (despite offering him a consultancy role) and appoint their favourite instead, we literally deserve everything we get.
It's absolutely crazy that the board are not seeking the recommendation of Rangnick when choosing the next manager. We've got a guy with incredible football connections all over Europe, someone who understands the current trends in football, someone who knows who the best and up-and-coming managers are, someone who's had a track record of literally building entire clubs and making them successful, someone's who's literally been our manager for the last few months and knows exactly what type of manager we need. Instead, let's ignore that and let an accountant and a 80 year old SAF (who's been retired almost 10 years) decide our future. If the club ignore Rangnick (despite offering him a consultancy role) and appoint their favourite instead, we literally deserve everything we get.
This fecking club.
They have the opportunity to bring in one of the most promising and well thought of managers in the game, and they seem intent on going against what the majority of what our supporters want.
Yet another manager they'll bring in that's not been good enough for clubs that are below us.
They have the opportunity to bring in one of the most promising and well thought of managers in the game, and they seem intent on going against what the majority of what our supporters want.
Yet another manager they'll bring in that's not been good enough for clubs that are below us.
Short term I think this is one of the realistic options we have especially if we have the caveat of getting someone like Enrique afterwards. I rate Ten Hag but I think this team is so far off what a possession based coach would want that the work needed to get his team going will be too much. I just feel Pochettino isn't all that and Ancelloti is not a builder of teams.
Rangnick, if he was to get a few decent coaches in has the ability and networks to help us rebuild in a more efficient way. Whilst the results haven't come like we hoped they would the positives are there to see and that's considering where he found this team in terms of confidence, harmony and morale.
He is the kind of guy that could get us an effective team for 25% or 50% of what we planned to spend originally and on the training ground you just know that he'd work to improve the players he has. He won't get the job but I think not considering him for the next two or so years will another misstep because in one window he could revolutionarize this squad.
They were too invested in Ole's cultural reboot and would want someone as pragmatic as him so that they don't have to start all over again. Ten Hag or any other serious manager won't accept shite like Maguire, AWB or the recent post Ole slump Rashford dragging the team downwards so they will settle for a manager who is more likely to accommodate our deadwood.
The Athletic article.
Ralf Rangnick walked into the Jimmy Murphy Centre for the first press conference at Carrington in two years and made a point of starting with a smile. “Hello everybody,” he said cheerily before taking his seat.
Soon, the questions revealed the complex situation he finds himself in, beginning with whether he would be a contender for the manager’s position at Manchester United on a permanent basis now that a “thorough process” has begun.
“I have no idea, I haven’t made any thoughts about that,” he said. “There is no time for me to think about anything else other than the upcoming games.”
His words at his unveiling in November, when he proposed he might ultimately prove to be United’s managerial solution, were raised. “No, no, no, I know exactly what I said,” he replied. “I said, with a twinkle in my eye, maybe at one stage at the end of the season, I might recommend myself to the club, in my role as an advisor.” Rangnick’s point appeared to be that his initial statement had been in jest.
But in a week where football director John Murtough announced the search had started in earnest, it felt pertinent to seriously ask the extent to which Rangnick will be involved. He has a two-year consultancy with United after his spell as manager, but the club have so far kept talks to “one or two meetings” about potential signings with head of recruitment Steve Brown.
“I think you will understand that I will not speak about that in detail,” he said in reference to the scouting conversations. “But about the possible new manager, we haven’t spoken as yet.”
Coming from anyone else such an answer might be deemed a diplomatic guarding of the truth. But Rangnick speaks with a streak of candour, so it can be read as a fair reflection on the situation.
As Rangnick focuses on the first team, with the Manchester derby looming large, United are beginning to make the moves on his replacement.
Richard Arnold, the new chief executive, is being kept abreast of developments. He is said to want exhaustive research into candidates and a round of reconnaissance has been carried out.
Now, with a shortlist drawn up, contact is being made with relevant intermediaries to establish interest and potential costs. United are also understood to have met with candidates and are believed to be working towards making a decision in the next few weeks. They do not want to wait until the summer for the appointment as they would like the new man to be fully involved in constructing the squad for next season and beyond.
Conversations have been held over Mauricio Pochettino and Erik ten Hag. It is believed there is dialogue regarding other managers too.
As with player transfers, it is anticipated United will pursue various options before arrowing in on one preferred candidate.
Rangnick was the No 1 choice for an interim appointment but Murtough and technical director Darren Fletcher still spoke to others, including Ernesto Valverde, Rudi Garcia and Lucien Favre. At least one impressed more than expected. But none of those are thought to be in contention this time. That was a tailored situation and United now want a younger manager to guide the club for several years.
Multiple sources close to the club see Pochettino as a top target. Sir Alex Ferguson has a long-held admiration for the Argentine, having enjoyed a lunch with him at Scott’s restaurant in Mayfair in 2016, and the view of United’s former manager has been sought. It is not believed Ferguson will offer anything more than a light touch, however.
Pochettino, of course, has a contract at Paris Saint-Germain until 2023 and this week sporting director Leonardo reiterated the club’s stance. “You can see his progression, even if a lot of things have happened,” Leonardo told L’Equipe. “I see him as being increasingly committed, because over time you become more familiar with your surroundings. I think he had a few moments of doubt, but he’s never asked to leave.”
Leonardo would of course not want any doubt over Pochettino’s position with the second leg of a Champions League last-16 tie against Real Madrid around the corner. Failure in that competition might cost Pochettino, however, with Zinedine Zidane’s availability a constant murmur in the background. Leonardo has denied any contact with Zidane.
PSG would of course be entitled to millions in compensation were United to hire Pochettino while under contract. By contrast Ten Hag, who often leads many of his Ajax training sessions in English already due to the multi-national make-up of his squad, may have an advantage over Pochettino in that there is a relatively low release clause in the Dutchman’s contract.
Ten Hag has his own Champions League date against Benfica on March 15, the same night United host Atletico Madrid. Ajax’s progress in Europe’s elite competition may yet influence United’s decision.
The same can be said for Rangnick, whose status at the club could be shaped by results on the pitch in these remaining three months of the season. It is said that a positive finish would strengthen his hand for offering advice.
His consultancy has not been defined exactly. The agreement was originally reached to compensate for the contract he had at Lokomotiv Moscow, which ran to 2024. It is thought Rangnick would not have come without the guarantee of equivalent engagement at least. But there was no definitive work schedule mapped out for after his time in the dugout.
Rangnick has seen much at United already in his 12 weeks so far and, with his vast experience building Hoffenheim and RB Leipzig, clearly feels in a position to offer advice on squad dynamics, recruitment, and aspects at Carrington.
Someone of his background might also expect to offer counsel on the selection of the next manager, although there are people close to the club who have queried the wisdom of an incumbent influencing the decision over his successor. (Ferguson was a special exception, with the results not altogether prosperous to say the least.)
Rangnick’s continued presence at Old Trafford, having been the one to pick the team and face the media for six months, might also present an interesting dynamic for the next man in the hot seat.
He clearly has thoughts. “Manchester City and Liverpool have continuity with the position of their manager,” Rangnick said when asked about England’s best teams. “They have a very clear identity, a clear idea of how they want to play. This is something that I think also needs to be developed at Manchester United.”
That task falls to Murtough, who is leading United’s work on a new manager. He made his first appearance on United’s quarterly investor calls this week, a sign of his new status in the sporting hierarchy, and insisted the next appointment would be made with “the objective to get us back to challenging for those domestic and European titles”.
A look at the table, with United 19 points behind City, shows the challenge facing whoever is in charge come August.
Ralf Rangnick walked into the Jimmy Murphy Centre for the first press conference at Carrington in two years and made a point of starting with a smile. “Hello everybody,” he said cheerily before taking his seat.
Soon, the questions revealed the complex situation he finds himself in, beginning with whether he would be a contender for the manager’s position at Manchester United on a permanent basis now that a “thorough process” has begun.
“I have no idea, I haven’t made any thoughts about that,” he said. “There is no time for me to think about anything else other than the upcoming games.”
His words at his unveiling in November, when he proposed he might ultimately prove to be United’s managerial solution, were raised. “No, no, no, I know exactly what I said,” he replied. “I said, with a twinkle in my eye, maybe at one stage at the end of the season, I might recommend myself to the club, in my role as an advisor.” Rangnick’s point appeared to be that his initial statement had been in jest.
But in a week where football director John Murtough announced the search had started in earnest, it felt pertinent to seriously ask the extent to which Rangnick will be involved. He has a two-year consultancy with United after his spell as manager, but the club have so far kept talks to “one or two meetings” about potential signings with head of recruitment Steve Brown.
“I think you will understand that I will not speak about that in detail,” he said in reference to the scouting conversations. “But about the possible new manager, we haven’t spoken as yet.”
Coming from anyone else such an answer might be deemed a diplomatic guarding of the truth. But Rangnick speaks with a streak of candour, so it can be read as a fair reflection on the situation.
As Rangnick focuses on the first team, with the Manchester derby looming large, United are beginning to make the moves on his replacement.
Richard Arnold, the new chief executive, is being kept abreast of developments. He is said to want exhaustive research into candidates and a round of reconnaissance has been carried out.
Now, with a shortlist drawn up, contact is being made with relevant intermediaries to establish interest and potential costs. United are also understood to have met with candidates and are believed to be working towards making a decision in the next few weeks. They do not want to wait until the summer for the appointment as they would like the new man to be fully involved in constructing the squad for next season and beyond.
Conversations have been held over Mauricio Pochettino and Erik ten Hag. It is believed there is dialogue regarding other managers too.
As with player transfers, it is anticipated United will pursue various options before arrowing in on one preferred candidate.
Rangnick was the No 1 choice for an interim appointment but Murtough and technical director Darren Fletcher still spoke to others, including Ernesto Valverde, Rudi Garcia and Lucien Favre. At least one impressed more than expected. But none of those are thought to be in contention this time. That was a tailored situation and United now want a younger manager to guide the club for several years.
Multiple sources close to the club see Pochettino as a top target. Sir Alex Ferguson has a long-held admiration for the Argentine, having enjoyed a lunch with him at Scott’s restaurant in Mayfair in 2016, and the view of United’s former manager has been sought. It is not believed Ferguson will offer anything more than a light touch, however.
Pochettino, of course, has a contract at Paris Saint-Germain until 2023 and this week sporting director Leonardo reiterated the club’s stance. “You can see his progression, even if a lot of things have happened,” Leonardo told L’Equipe. “I see him as being increasingly committed, because over time you become more familiar with your surroundings. I think he had a few moments of doubt, but he’s never asked to leave.”
Leonardo would of course not want any doubt over Pochettino’s position with the second leg of a Champions League last-16 tie against Real Madrid around the corner. Failure in that competition might cost Pochettino, however, with Zinedine Zidane’s availability a constant murmur in the background. Leonardo has denied any contact with Zidane.
PSG would of course be entitled to millions in compensation were United to hire Pochettino while under contract. By contrast Ten Hag, who often leads many of his Ajax training sessions in English already due to the multi-national make-up of his squad, may have an advantage over Pochettino in that there is a relatively low release clause in the Dutchman’s contract.
Ten Hag has his own Champions League date against Benfica on March 15, the same night United host Atletico Madrid. Ajax’s progress in Europe’s elite competition may yet influence United’s decision.
The same can be said for Rangnick, whose status at the club could be shaped by results on the pitch in these remaining three months of the season. It is said that a positive finish would strengthen his hand for offering advice.
His consultancy has not been defined exactly. The agreement was originally reached to compensate for the contract he had at Lokomotiv Moscow, which ran to 2024. It is thought Rangnick would not have come without the guarantee of equivalent engagement at least. But there was no definitive work schedule mapped out for after his time in the dugout.
Rangnick has seen much at United already in his 12 weeks so far and, with his vast experience building Hoffenheim and RB Leipzig, clearly feels in a position to offer advice on squad dynamics, recruitment, and aspects at Carrington.
Someone of his background might also expect to offer counsel on the selection of the next manager, although there are people close to the club who have queried the wisdom of an incumbent influencing the decision over his successor. (Ferguson was a special exception, with the results not altogether prosperous to say the least.)
Rangnick’s continued presence at Old Trafford, having been the one to pick the team and face the media for six months, might also present an interesting dynamic for the next man in the hot seat.
He clearly has thoughts. “Manchester City and Liverpool have continuity with the position of their manager,” Rangnick said when asked about England’s best teams. “They have a very clear identity, a clear idea of how they want to play. This is something that I think also needs to be developed at Manchester United.”
That task falls to Murtough, who is leading United’s work on a new manager. He made his first appearance on United’s quarterly investor calls this week, a sign of his new status in the sporting hierarchy, and insisted the next appointment would be made with “the objective to get us back to challenging for those domestic and European titles”.
A look at the table, with United 19 points behind City, shows the challenge facing whoever is in charge come August.
All respect to the big man, but Fergie should have zero contribution over this appointment.
Football had already started to move on when he retired, let alone 10 years later by the time next season comes along.
Football had already started to move on when he retired, let alone 10 years later by the time next season comes along.
Just stop it with the Poch links! 
No!
No!To be fair to RR the club wouldn't sanction his request for 1 or 2 midfielders, so has had to pick the same midfielders as Ole.
I agree with everything you said, but look again at the post I was replying to. Kinda feels like you missed the point a bit.
Mourinho wasn’t the saviour, Ole wasn’t the saviour, Bruno was the saviour till he wasn’t then he needs benching and is crap. Cavani wasn’t the saviour now he’s old, absent and crap, and Ronnie was the saviour until it dawned on some that he isn’t 2008 vintage anymore and again he is crap. People (not just a few either) keep putting a Single man on a pedestal when it’s absolutely clear the correct structure, with the right person in every position on and off the pitch and like Rangnick said yesterday stability and continuity are all important to future success.
The same is happening with ETH. So hiring Poch would be an absolute disaster (it wouldn’t, he’s a very good coach) and if ETH doesn’t immediately win a European treble then he will be crap too and people will be calling for his head mid next season, Which is silly tbh.
Agree. Fergies time has come and gone. Football has moved on. He knew 2013 was his last hurrah.
Whitwell is very credible. As I said earlier contacting Ten Hag is non material. It means nothing.
The substantial take is that we have our first credible inclination of preference from the club as it stands :
Poch, then Ten Hag.
Football had already started to move on from what? good managers? You make it sound like he retired before he was booted out.
I can only see it being Poch, which will be a shame. I don't want a manager that was sacked by Tottenham.
I do think, with a bit of time and backing, ETH would get us challenging again.
I just think the clowns on our board will make the wrong choice again and give in to the players wish of who they want as next manager, if you believe that story and with the bunch of f*ckwits that play for us, I do.
I do think, with a bit of time and backing, ETH would get us challenging again.
I just think the clowns on our board will make the wrong choice again and give in to the players wish of who they want as next manager, if you believe that story and with the bunch of f*ckwits that play for us, I do.
Not too sure if that is what he said. Difference between a top target and the top target, right?
If it’s poch coming in, again we’re committing a Mourinho-esque appointment mistake by getting a manager who is on decline. He’ll come in and surely get us 1 FA or 1 carabao League cup over 2-3 seasons, that’s his potential.
But if we are ever thought about dominating for years and set a goal like getting champions league trophy or premier league trophy, we need to do more assessments to analyze the club situation and future managers.
I’m okay with anyone as long as our vision is CL or PL trophy.
But if we are ever thought about dominating for years and set a goal like getting champions league trophy or premier league trophy, we need to do more assessments to analyze the club situation and future managers.
I’m okay with anyone as long as our vision is CL or PL trophy.
Reading the odd comment. Since when did clubs base their hiring decisions on what the fans want? I've heard and read people coming out with this recently, like it's actually a thing, and it has honestly got me puzzled because I don't recall this being the case before.
I know we all have our preferences and are able to discuss them. But why would the club weigh that into their decision?
I know we all have our preferences and are able to discuss them. But why would the club weigh that into their decision?
Zip them back up again lads
Same people that say we're not a serious club but want the club to make an appointment based on fan opinion.
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