Bringing ETH just sounds too good to be true. Then again our board surprised us with Ragnick who many wanted so it might happen, who knows.
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You are absolutely right. It’s weird that people believe one man will solve all our woes.
People are welcome to do as they wish with their genitalia, although I doubt it’ll have too much bearing on the future of our club.
You see you contradicting fans are the problem. You want a DOF you want structure at the club then a soon as it doesn’t bring success you want to do it the way you didn’t like originally and make the manager control everything. Unless he turns out like Jose that is and then you want structure back.
Your happy to listen to managers you like tell us they aren’t interested in trophies (Ole) and back them with give them time, we finished second. But all of a sudden memory loss kicks in when it’s the new guy feeding the same things even though he’s clearly better than the last guy.
I’d rather you just said you don’t like the sound of Poch but the hype around ETH interests you and you’d rather go that route. Quite honestly all the rest of the stuff you said. No body believes you.
Whether it’s Poch or ETH they will be managers going in the right direction. But there’s nothing wrong with having a preference at the minute I’m undecided.
Basically, the thing is:
People here have seen and know too much they don't like about Poch already. They can easily analyze every flaw the guy has.
On the other hand, they don't know half as much about ETH and are willing to take the gamble because he might turn out to be what they want.
Won't be surprised if people backtrack on the ETH love-in 1 month into his United tenure.
Ofcourse not. If ETH was good enough to compete with Pep and Klopp he'd not be managing Ajax at this point. Big clubs would have snapped him up; there were ample number of vacancies in that time frame.
The thing is he has a clear philosophy and progressive gameplan. Currently United fans have low expectations and they just want to take this gamble as it'll bring positive, vibrant Football and the club might progress in the "right way".
This is a pretty weird criticism. Most managers don't have an ounce of charisma. Infact, Pep seems more psychotic and weird than anything else with his personality.
Might as well get Mourinho back to turn on the charm then?
People here have seen and know too much they don't like about Poch already. They can easily analyze every flaw the guy has.
On the other hand, they don't know half as much about ETH and are willing to take the gamble because he might turn out to be what they want.
Won't be surprised if people backtrack on the ETH love-in 1 month into his United tenure.
Ofcourse not. If ETH was good enough to compete with Pep and Klopp he'd not be managing Ajax at this point. Big clubs would have snapped him up; there were ample number of vacancies in that time frame.
The thing is he has a clear philosophy and progressive gameplan. Currently United fans have low expectations and they just want to take this gamble as it'll bring positive, vibrant Football and the club might progress in the "right way".
Watch us interview him and still end up going for the charisma black hole that is Poch
This is a pretty weird criticism. Most managers don't have an ounce of charisma. Infact, Pep seems more psychotic and weird than anything else with his personality.
Might as well get Mourinho back to turn on the charm then?
This is clear made up junk/your own opinion. You can’t possibly know why the players favour Poch, or even if they really do (just because a tabloid reported it).
With regards to ETH I feel it’s unlikely he will sweep in and revolutionise the playing staff as you describe. I fully expect our usual 3/4 signings drawn out across the summer window whilst the media get into a tailspin and link us with the world and his wife.
What the hell are you on about?
Ole was never good enough for this club, so please do show me where I've endorsed him as a manager and swallowed any of his nonsense?
And how is any of the other reservations I have about him nonsense? Everything is spot on. He has a shit record against top teams. His win percentage is no-where near what it should be. And he couldn't get his team over the line last season. So please do enlighten me.
There is a lot in your post that I don't agree with and while I am loathe to defend Pochettino as while I do think he's clearly one of the top 2/3 candidates for the role, he's not a manager I particularly wanted even when his stock was high, but did I feel this particular bullet point deserved a reply.
You have set out a number of previous managers win percentages, fine. But then you'd gone on to list Neymar, Messi & Mbappe as if that is some kind of assurance that his win percentage should be higher and this is where I disagree.
He has three players he basically has to pick when they are available, that is outside of his hands. Neymar and Messi are the owners darlings and they are doing all they can to keep Mbappe, so they are undroppable. None of them play a fixed position and pop up in any of the attacking positions and none of them do any defensive work whatsoever, whether that be pressing high up the pitch or dropping in to assist the midfield. This means they are easily bypassed out of possession and can be outnumbered when counter attacked on.
They're incredibly talented players and can win games on their own but in reality more often than not every front 3 needs at least one player who drops in and supports defensively - regardless of whether that is high up the pitch or by dropping deep.
You could get away with two of them but not three and he doesn't have the power at the club to drop one.
So for those that do want Poch, they want to hire another yes man?
I think calling him a yes-man is somewhat harsh again. It's a job no out of work manager in the world is going to turn down, even more so a manager who previously played for the club, but like with Tuchel before him, it took less than 12 months in the role for stories of his unhappiness to emerge. Whats he supposed to do? Come out like Conte or Mourinho against the club, which very quickly gains you a toxic reputation within football, or remain professional and do the job to the best of his ability for the remainder of the season? Which in fairness, is 15 points clear at the top of the league and taking at lead to the Bernebeu in the Champions League.
What makes you say Poch is any more of a yes man than ETH
What makes a manager yes man?
How do you decide if someone is a yes man or not? I guess you know ETH personally then to decide he isnt one?
I don't think 'yes man' is the apt way to describe it, but for me its the whole idea of not kicking up a fuss or complaining when they felt they haven't been supported by the club or owners. An archetypal anti 'yes-man' would be someone like Conte who isn't afraid to publicly make it known that he's not being backed by the club to bring in the players he needs and/or feels the current players at his disposal aren't up to the task. Mourinho is another one I suppose.
The insinuation is that a more timid personality like Poch would choose not to rock the boat, and simply agree to continue picking the "undroppables" (e.g. Maguire, Ronaldo, etc) based on marketing pressures from the club. It certainly seems that way in PSG.
No matter which names United will hire. If that person dont fix and cover the big hole Paul Scholes were leaving. That person will not succed. Include Ralf. To be honest. I found it so boring to watch United under Ralf. We start with :
- David Moyes without Scholes. Used Carrick, Fellaini.
- LVGaal. Schneiderlin & Schweinsteiger = FA cup as best success
- Mourinho : Pobga & Matic = UEFA cup with the help of Zlatan presence at the club
- Ole : McFred = no conistent and top creative from the cm midfield
- Ralf : Still use Ole regular CM duo = McFred + sometime switching Pobga and Matic + McFred = Not reasons and ingredients to success
Conclusion and recomendation to Manchester United and United new manager: Find a world class nr.8. A world class CB, A stop RW and a super quick and clinical CF. 4 positions where United can improve and strenght a lot. To get closer to winning the premier leauge in the future.
A world class CB + A world class nr.8 + A top or really really good RW + A super quick and clinical CF of a sniper upfront. 4 big step stones and puzzles to create the last end product = the big picture = winning premier league or ch.league.
And in the end. "No top guts = no glory. Passion, determination, hard working, lady luck on your side, top guts, right focus, willing to win and top figthing spirit. All others puzzles to be there and demanded to create the big picture you want.
- David Moyes without Scholes. Used Carrick, Fellaini.
- LVGaal. Schneiderlin & Schweinsteiger = FA cup as best success
- Mourinho : Pobga & Matic = UEFA cup with the help of Zlatan presence at the club
- Ole : McFred = no conistent and top creative from the cm midfield
- Ralf : Still use Ole regular CM duo = McFred + sometime switching Pobga and Matic + McFred = Not reasons and ingredients to success
Conclusion and recomendation to Manchester United and United new manager: Find a world class nr.8. A world class CB, A stop RW and a super quick and clinical CF. 4 positions where United can improve and strenght a lot. To get closer to winning the premier leauge in the future.
A world class CB + A world class nr.8 + A top or really really good RW + A super quick and clinical CF of a sniper upfront. 4 big step stones and puzzles to create the last end product = the big picture = winning premier league or ch.league.
And in the end. "No top guts = no glory. Passion, determination, hard working, lady luck on your side, top guts, right focus, willing to win and top figthing spirit. All others puzzles to be there and demanded to create the big picture you want.
This place is really toxic. It's either extreme ETH or Poch. The way people condemn Poch, it sounds like he is managing Molde. FFS, he is managing PSG, one of the world richest club. Has very good track records in PL.
For me, both Poch and ETH are top candidates. It's really very little difference between them. Both come with certain pros and cons.
For me, both Poch and ETH are top candidates. It's really very little difference between them. Both come with certain pros and cons.
At least Southampton manager have more guts then United manager. Ralph Hasenhüttl likes all others managers. Need world class players to work for them too. And Southampton current players are not world class or top 4 level.
Ralph Hasenhüttl would win the premier league with current City or Liverpool squad too.
Hasenhüttl is matching Klopp and Pep coaching and mentality part. Top guts and go out to the attack and dominate.
But like Klopp and Pep sometimes : They stand to high with theirs back line with not super fast CBs against super quick CF like Watkins. Liverpool and Klopp match against Aston Villa and Watkins. So lately. As poor as Southampton 9-0 to Leicester and United. Southampton got red card really early against United. That red card did play a big part in 9-0.
But one of world best team lost that way against Aston Villa. 7-1 or 7-2? Champion and premier league winning. Southampton under Ralph Hasenhüttl is midtable team in premier league. Loosing 9-0 on a bad day at work. It can happen. But after 9-0 and the man is still on job and get contract to 2024. He has something to keep him on the job. He is definitely a good coach. Seeing the young talents in Livramento and Broja.
So its 3-4 months left until the end of season.
If Hag knock one of the giants out. Liverpool, City, PSG or Bayern out of ch.league. Then he definitely up there with the top managers.
And if Ralph Hasenhüttl and Southampton beat Liverpool, City or Chelsea in the league or FA cup. He is up there with the best too.
So time will tell.
Ralph Hasenhüttl would win the premier league with current City or Liverpool squad too.
Hasenhüttl is matching Klopp and Pep coaching and mentality part. Top guts and go out to the attack and dominate.
But like Klopp and Pep sometimes : They stand to high with theirs back line with not super fast CBs against super quick CF like Watkins. Liverpool and Klopp match against Aston Villa and Watkins. So lately. As poor as Southampton 9-0 to Leicester and United. Southampton got red card really early against United. That red card did play a big part in 9-0.
But one of world best team lost that way against Aston Villa. 7-1 or 7-2? Champion and premier league winning. Southampton under Ralph Hasenhüttl is midtable team in premier league. Loosing 9-0 on a bad day at work. It can happen. But after 9-0 and the man is still on job and get contract to 2024. He has something to keep him on the job. He is definitely a good coach. Seeing the young talents in Livramento and Broja.
So its 3-4 months left until the end of season.
If Hag knock one of the giants out. Liverpool, City, PSG or Bayern out of ch.league. Then he definitely up there with the top managers.
And if Ralph Hasenhüttl and Southampton beat Liverpool, City or Chelsea in the league or FA cup. He is up there with the best too.
So time will tell.
I mean you might think its pressure from the club but do you think a coach would drop Messi, Neymar or Mbappe? These are match winners.
Also, I would rather have a "yes man" than a Conte or Jose who at every difficult turn, rock the boat and create a toxic environment.
This is how I see it.
I would be happy with either choice tbf. Neither is clear above the other, as their pro's and con's do kind of equal out imo.
First of all; i am delighted if it is only between Poch and ETH. We can't do wrong there and i am looking forward for next season.
But i find it amusing how all of sudden Poch is trash and wrong choice while year or two ago he was "perfect" choice.
Poch has his flaws but he is excellent coach. ETH looks great at first sight but he has question marks which Poch doesn't.
Anyway, we can't do wrong this time (if they are really only options). My only wish is that we do this soon as possible. At the end of this season we must know who is our manager.
But i find it amusing how all of sudden Poch is trash and wrong choice while year or two ago he was "perfect" choice.
Poch has his flaws but he is excellent coach. ETH looks great at first sight but he has question marks which Poch doesn't.
Anyway, we can't do wrong this time (if they are really only options). My only wish is that we do this soon as possible. At the end of this season we must know who is our manager.
Just find him boring. I don’t feel bad for wanting to be excited by our manager and actually enjoying hearing him waffle on.
I do wonder whether this pursuit of a Deputy Football Director is a hint as to who we’re getting. A Deputy on top of a technical director, football director and whatever Ralf is going to be seems a lot of structure.
Poch supposedly doesn’t like football directors above him. Paul Mitchell supposedly left Spurs when Poch got promoted from first team head coach to manager and as a result, Mitchell’s role as head of recruitment got marginalised as Poch wanted a bigger say on players which he got in the new contract at the time that made him manager.
And it’s been reported that ETH has issues over the club structure and wants assurances over it.
Poch supposedly doesn’t like football directors above him. Paul Mitchell supposedly left Spurs when Poch got promoted from first team head coach to manager and as a result, Mitchell’s role as head of recruitment got marginalised as Poch wanted a bigger say on players which he got in the new contract at the time that made him manager.
And it’s been reported that ETH has issues over the club structure and wants assurances over it.
Hiring someone like ETH would go a long way in regards to that
Everything is just a weird obsession of I don’t like this guy to be honest. You talk up this he didn’t win a title stuff like you will give him credit when he wins this season.
He has a crap record against top teams but yet has beaten the majority of them most recently Madrid. But again who cares about that.
Yes man Poch had the bottle to ruffle feather’s ?
Poch doesn't have question marks? What about being sacked by Spurs when they were 14th in the table? Why didn't he have the motivational skills to go one further with cup finals and get his team over the line in one? Same again, how come he never had the tactical nous to throw the game in Spurs' favour when going behind in a final?
There's three big ones right there which contribute towards being the calibre of manager we should be looking at.
From memories of what some Spurs mates told me (might be misremembering), Mitchell decided it wasn’t worth fighting the issue as Levy had a hard-on for Poch at the time after finishing 3rd in the league.
And then they noted that all of the transfers after Mitchell left and Poch was handed more authority, that most of the players they signed were duds. Its something like out of the 12 he signed in the period he was supposedly having a massive say on transfers, only Sanchez and Moura remain at the club and the other 10 have gone.
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Didnt Klopp continuously lose big finals. Didn’t his last season at Dortmund crash and burn. Where did he finish again?
Great post.
I have zero faith this board will do anything right before world war 3 starts.
Looks to me like United have their shortlist in place and are sounding them out to check on their availability/philosophy.
The fans clearly prefer Ten Hag and this will carry plenty of weight.
The fans clearly prefer Ten Hag and this will carry plenty of weight.
Another drawback about Poch is he actually cried getting to the champs league final..........he defo not the winner we need at this moment to go into the future and I don't think his style of management is what this squad and team needs.
Again all depends on the outgoing this summer.
Again all depends on the outgoing this summer.
We may not win a major trophy, but honestly I think the only thing we need in this team is a well built midfield. The attack is misfiring, but not bad and the defence has shown they can keep the door shut. Our lack of control is the issue. If we get ETH and he gets the right midfield duo to partner Bruno, I think we’re in for a good season.
He did all that with bloody Spurs. In competition with United, City, Chelsea and Liverpool. Look how Spurs are doing without him. The fact that he played in CL finals with bloody Spurs is something.
He failed to change games? Vs Ajax and City in Cl he did exactly that; from loss to win.
What do we know about ETH at biggest stage? Nothing.
As i said, i don't care who we will hire between those two (and i am leaning towards ETH, tbh) but all this "Poch is a fraud, ETH is a new Pep" is ridiculous. Both will do great in United (i think at least).
You are more right than you think. One Ten Hag's main weaknesses at Ajax has been his reluctance to rotate his starting XI. As such players eventually tire themselves out or get injured and the back ups aren't match sharp. That's what happened in the previous 2 season at Ajax. Though to be fair he didn't have the best of squads so you can say he just didn't trust his bench.
I think ETH might be in for surprise around Christmas/New Year's Eve with the insane amount of fixtures we have compared to say the Netherlands were they are on holidays. Just like Pep, might take him a season before he gets used to the PL rhytm.
I know this will sound crazy, but hopefully he can retain someone like Phelan for at least his first season or till his contract expires so he can advise him how to navigate the tricky fixtures in England.
TBF Spurs' downfall has to do more with recruitment than Poch. Once Mitchell fecked off and they delegated the recruitment to Poch (at his request btw) they were in a lot of trouble, something the Poch camp doesn't like to mention.
Plus it's worth mentioning that Poch was managing players entering/peaking while the likes of Mourinho/Conte are managing a squad of players on the decline while their talisman was looking for a way to get out during the summer.
There are more nuances to Poch's stint than just: "He was an amazing manager, look at how Spurs look without him now"
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Beat me to it, I wanted him when he was at PSG. Should have moved for him when they sacked him. But this lot were hell bent on giving more and more time to Ole. Great shout don't know what's happening at Chelski.
Sounds like Mourinho.
Still think Fergie's opinion will hold a lot of weight and we know he loves Pochettino
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