Wait, do you mean that he hasn’t successfully fulfilled the Director of Football role at other major clubs before being given that role at, arguably, the world's biggest club??
Next permanent manager | Poll updated
- Thread starter Untd55
- Start date
- Status
Realistically think it’ll be Poch, providing he’s willing to hold the poison challice.
Know him well do you?
Monchi and Mitchell say hello. Ridiculous suggesting Murtough was the best candidate for the role when he has no proven record of success running the football side of a club. Case in point, he brings in Rangnick not only as an interim manager but as a consultant who he reportedly ignored in January! He’s a yes man who won’t rock the boat. Fletcher with no experience whatsoever is given a technical director role. The club really has you duped if you believe things will change over the long term.
Well done! Truly spectacular response, and a perfect representation of you and your opinion of Murtough.
No I just have common sense and see better footballing people running clubs better elsewhere.
It's Pochettino, and this has been lined up for some time. Can't see it being the best appointment when ETH is available but we will have to hope it works. I can see another wasted 4 years with a couple of top 4 finishes and a cup if we're lucky.
This is what fecking annoys me with these nonsensical claims about Poch's supposed failure at PSG. They are blatantly false yet you see posters like the one you quoted pretend otherwise to try and manufacture failings of Pochettino that aren't there. With this place all hung up on ETH for some odd reasons, people just accept any negative BS said about Pochettino and run with it.
Poch has PSG 15 points clear in their league while Ajax are still fighting for theirs yet Poch is the one being called a suspect. People can be ridiculous sometimes. Because PSG aren't blowing every team by 10 nil, you see people come out of the woodwork and throw around ridiculous claims.
Same Monchi who actually become DOF of Sevilla without any Prior experience and when actually moved away he failed with Roma and returned to Sevilla once again and Mitchell isn't pulling up any trees either at Monoco .
Fact of the matter is most of the Big Clubs actually like to promote from within for these kind of positions nothing unusual about it . Let's give Murtough a chance before writing him off.
Here’s a question for you all who’ve had a meltdown over my opinion…do you think city, liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal or any big club in Europe would take Murtough and Fletcher as a DOF and their technical director? Yea, exactly.
The right candidate is one who is available.
The two you've mentioned no doubt are brilliant at their job, however a)they were/are not available and b) would have required a complete change of setup.
Not sure why you believe RR was ignored in January, United's statement was always that they wouldn't be signing anyone until a new manager was found.
Fletcher has footballing knowledge and has experience being at the club, not sure why we always need people that have been in jobs elsewhere to be honest, especially when United are trying to emulate the Bayern Munich method of promoting within.
Edu says hi,
Michael Edwards had a similar trajectory to Murtough,
So in answer to your question, yes I do believe they would have both as an option for the roles.
Also not sure why questioning your unfathomable beliefs is classified as a meltdown?
Does Michael Edwards ring a bell? Were Everton not successful at bringing through youth players when Murtough was there? Would he really be hired in a high level role at the Premier League if he was some novice?
What I find strange about the Glazers and Woodward is how they were resistant to a change that could have saved them money. The candidates who were prominent for the role before it was handed nepotistically to Murtough were Campo, Rangnick, Mitchell and Monchi all of whom are proven in their ability to build competitive teams on the cheap, something which should benefit the Glazers. I find it strange that they were resistant to it.
I think we have largely overlooked the silent ideological battle that's gone one within the club. Let's say Moyes was Sir Alex's pick and when Moyes failed SAF was frozen out. Woodward went on to appoint LVG and Moyes believing all we needed was a great manager who we would back and titles will soon follow. When they failed it was a chastening scenario for Woodward.
Ole, imo, was a compromise candidate that both sides could agree on. A fan favorite who would drive the commercial side for Woodward and an insider for Fergie and the legends - one of their own. This is why they had to be forced to fire him because no one within the club was calling for his head and both parties were invested in him, heavily.
Coming back to the DOF conversation, we know what Fergie thought about someone interfering with the manager's work and he wouldn't have wanted that for Ole. Woodward, I think, began to see appointing a DOF as admitting to failure hence when we finally got one he settled for an insider and during the summer he was briefing that Fletcher and Murtough weren't the ones driving the summer recruitment to grab all the credit to himself.
It's a shame that Woodward didn't see the wood for the trees because for all his incompetence I believe that he is the guy who had the Glazsrs' ear and was able to make them spend in ways contrary to their original business model.
Would be good to see such report. Because all I read was that Rangnick himself advised against short term fix winter transfers without perspective for the next manager, and Murtough followed his advice.
So long story short, you don't have the first clue then.
Sorry I didn't realise that Rangnick is confused to his roll, I thought he was going to be the DOF for two years after his interim managers job. Murtough may or may not be 'a yes man', who knows.
You are correct in the fact that the structure of the club has been awful, but they seem to be trying to sort that out to a certain extent with Rangnick going upstairs, but until the glazer's are out of the club, then the focus of the 'whole' club will be to create wealth.
The playing side will still be supported by the glazers, but I doubt it will be funded as much as the other 'big' clubs, they have to keep the club somewhere near the top to keep the sponsorship rolling in.
There is no definitive manager who could could take this club back to the heights of the 90's and 00's, every one of those mentioned is a gamble, ETH, Poch, Zidane, Potter even Conte. None of them have a magic wand, but one of them could just be the right fit for United.
Going for proven managers and a very raw manager has failed recently, so who can say if any of them are the right fit, or bound to fail.
@Adnan Had a fantastic post here a couple days ago, I'll post it below. It's highly detailed and gives thorough reasoning as to why Murtough is clearly the best candidate for the role. They also give detailled reasoning as to what a DoF is and it's probably far and wide as to what you may think it involves: "running the football side of the club"
If you have got 5 mins spare. I beg you, please read and then re-consider your Murtough opinion, because maybe it's not my posts that are deluded here.
@Adnan On Murtough:
On Fletcher as Technical Director for good measure and Rangnick
Really hoping Real Madrid crash out terribly next week and have their hand forced when it comes to their pursuit of Poch.
Feels like we'll be in the exact same position in 3 years if we end up with him. Reeks of the typical 'low risk' and comfortable United hiring that's easy to justify but won't actually move the needle much when it comes to our ambition of being back amongst Europe's elite on the pitch.
I wanted Poch after we sacked Mourinho but we decided on Ole impulsively and I don't believe he's proven anything more than he did at Spurs since then.
Nothing he's shown over the last few years makes me confident that he'll be able to properly match up with the Citehs and Liverpools of the league over a full season. Not going to give him the credit so many here seemingly want to give him for this season when he objectively has the most talented squad in Europe with an XI that any other club in the world could only dream of, even in the virtual realm.
Losing the league to Lille last season despite still having the best team in the land by a giant margin isn't easy to gloss over for me now just because they added 3 of the best players in the world at their positions last summer.
It would feel 2/3 years too late the same way that hiring Jose was a few years too late. We need an outside of the box hire for a change (one not based on nepotism), outside of the box for United at least, to really move the club forward into the current era and back into the mix for the highest honors.
I really struggle to see Poch being anything but more of the same that we've had and done post-Fergie...
Feels like we'll be in the exact same position in 3 years if we end up with him. Reeks of the typical 'low risk' and comfortable United hiring that's easy to justify but won't actually move the needle much when it comes to our ambition of being back amongst Europe's elite on the pitch.
I wanted Poch after we sacked Mourinho but we decided on Ole impulsively and I don't believe he's proven anything more than he did at Spurs since then.
Nothing he's shown over the last few years makes me confident that he'll be able to properly match up with the Citehs and Liverpools of the league over a full season. Not going to give him the credit so many here seemingly want to give him for this season when he objectively has the most talented squad in Europe with an XI that any other club in the world could only dream of, even in the virtual realm.
Losing the league to Lille last season despite still having the best team in the land by a giant margin isn't easy to gloss over for me now just because they added 3 of the best players in the world at their positions last summer.
It would feel 2/3 years too late the same way that hiring Jose was a few years too late. We need an outside of the box hire for a change (one not based on nepotism), outside of the box for United at least, to really move the club forward into the current era and back into the mix for the highest honors.
I really struggle to see Poch being anything but more of the same that we've had and done post-Fergie...
PSG have 62 points from 26 games and Ajax have 57 from 24. It isn't exactly the picture you're painting either.
One thing most of us are unanimous about in joining the best modern day managers in playing a certain brand of football, with an identifiable style and system. Poch doesn't have an identifiable style in the same way that ETH has. So nothing to do with whether they're hammering teams or how far ahead they are in the league.
ETH possession based pressing system is fantastic to watch. I'm sure you'll get your wish though and we'll see what Poch can do whilst ETH goes to City.
We absolutely will. He's not the kind of manager we need at all.
We need a system manager to compete at the highest level. This PSG team, despite the great players they have would get annihilated by City or Liverpool imo, and ultimately they're our competition on the domestic stage, or should be.
The club is too obsessed with the idea of bringing through young players, supplemented with a few star names and we wont deviate from that pattern as it brings commercial success.
ETH is just a fashionable name at the moment. Its funny to see these posters all cream over Ten Hag as if he is the next best thing yet critical of Poch who has done the same if not more than Ten Hag?
I seen people saying he got sacked by Spurs and PSG fans don't want him so we shouldn't. I bet 90% of fans have never watched 1 full Ajax game in their league this season, yet he is the man to transform us, with 0 evidence.
At least with Poch, there is evidence of him changing things. Southampton played a different brand once he joined, Spurs actually challenged for trophies under him on a regular basis, yes he didn't win anything but that doesn't mean the job he did was a very good one.
I'm sure it's been mentioned on this thread although I don't see it, but what if bringing in Pochettino helps us bring in Kane?
I'm still in the Ten Hag camp, but if it had to be Poch if bringing him in helped us bring in Kane I'd feel a lot less disappointed in missing out on Ten Hag. He'll still only be 29 next season and, unlike Rooney, Kane takes care of himself.
I'm still in the Ten Hag camp, but if it had to be Poch if bringing him in helped us bring in Kane I'd feel a lot less disappointed in missing out on Ten Hag. He'll still only be 29 next season and, unlike Rooney, Kane takes care of himself.
So we sign Kane then what? We still need a CM x2, RW, RB and CB.
What a ridiculous post.
The poster didn't claim signing Kane would be our saving grace and we wouldn't sign anyone else.
I would prefer us to make a move for a younger forward, especially now when you-know-who's career is likely and rightly fecked. Now, i'm not implying Kane's over the hill but we really need to move on from signing forwards who's best days are behind them, which I think Kane's are even though he's obviously still a very good forward. Also, his fee would just be mad.
It's not a ridiculous post though is it? Thinking about signing Kane is what's ridiculous. Kane will go for around 100mill minimum, you honestly expect us to spend 100mill on someone who will be 29 and then expect us to sign quality players in at least 3/4 other positions that we desperately need? It's ridiculous. This is the summer to really think about filling up the squad in positions of need, DM being the major one, rather than going every summer splurging on a star studded signing then leaving holes in the squad that desperately need filling, that's been half the problem with this team for years now, spending big in a position then not spending in a position we need.
Sorry but if you advocate for signings like Harry Kane then you clearly have no thought about our squad which is in desperate need of at least 2 midfielders, a rw and maybe a CB not to mention potentially FB and just think having a 1 star studded signing will make all the difference, basically Woodward thinking.
I find it interesting to see the why's and wherefore's of Poch, ETH and Potter, but what would you do if the club appointed a manager not to your liking?
Personally I would rather eat humble pie, and admit I'd got it wrong (if they were successful), than rejoice in my unquestionable knowledge of football managers, and that 'I always new x, y or z would fail'.
The bottom line is, we all think we know who is best for the club, and undoubtably, some of you will be right, but realistically none of us 'really' know, so let's hope the club get it right this time, and we can again look forward to challenging for the big prizes year in, year out.
Personally I would rather eat humble pie, and admit I'd got it wrong (if they were successful), than rejoice in my unquestionable knowledge of football managers, and that 'I always new x, y or z would fail'.
The bottom line is, we all think we know who is best for the club, and undoubtably, some of you will be right, but realistically none of us 'really' know, so let's hope the club get it right this time, and we can again look forward to challenging for the big prizes year in, year out.
Kane isn't going for 100M - no chance.
Plus we aren't solving all of those in one window.
I do believe we're spending BIG in the summer though, especially if Pogba goes.
ST (Maybe 2), CM and DM our priorities
So what the hell are we supposed to do once we’ve dropped off £100m on Kane. Drop another £200m on the rest.
Oh right we'll get him for 30m then - deal done. Levy surprisingly lowballing for us because we are a rival in the league, what a gentleman
So what the hell are we supposed to do once we’ve dropped off £100m on Kane. Drop another £200m on the rest.
I'd say £60-70M tops especially with 18months left on his contract in the summer.
Contract expires in 2024.
No way is he costing north of £100M
In dreamland sure, in the real world there's zero chance Levy rejected 150m from Citeh last season only to end up selling him for 100m less this summer when he still has 2 years left on his contract
Zero chance he goes for anywhere less than 100m and even 100m would be looked at as a loss for Spurs after someone like Lukaku went for that last summer.
£60-70m. It doesn’t really matter. It’s a waste of money on a position that will not flourish unless we fix our other gaping wholes. This isn’t the RVP go try win us a title era. The squad is lacking quality in a lot of key areas. Kane’s goals will have us exactly where Spurs are now. Fighting for nothing.
Don't get me wrong I don't particularly want Kane and agree with you that it won't really solve anything. But to think he'll go for £100M + is crazy talk in my opinion. He's 29 and has 18months left on his contract in the Summer. We'd be stupid to spend that much on him. When 100M could be better spent on Haaland if we really want him, that's what we should pay. Lets be honest, at least 4 clubs would match the release clause.
The more I read posts like this the more confident I am in my preference for Pochettino over Ten Hag for the role. Great post.
Great question. We're just not going to sign six players in one summer transfer window. Anything is possible I suppose but there's very little little chance of that happening.
Say we do bring in Pochettino. Then what?
Keepers. De Gea, all good there. Backups unknown at this point.
Defenders. We are not going to bring in any new defenders, full stop. Shaw/Telles have the LB spot buttoned down. We're not going to get rid of either Varane, Maguire or Lindelof. Bailly says probably bye-bye, possibly Phil Jones walks as well, if he doesn't injure himself first on the way out. Tuanzebe can serve as the fourth CB choice. Maybe bring up Mengi. As for RB, AWB and Dalot are going nowhere, one might argue metaphorically as well as literally, but however you look at it we're not going in for a massive RB buy this summer.
Central Midfielders. CM x2 for sure. There's a squad rebuild thread somewhere on the caf so I'll keep it brief. We need at least one proper central defensive midfielder, no question about it. The chorus for Rice grows louder every week, but whoever it is we need to bring in a proper CDM. Call that 60m minimum. I'd also bring up Garner...so, one massive purchase. We'll still have Fred and McTominay, who are suitable squad players for us. Matic may still be on the squad, but he's running on fumes now.
Attacking midfielders. It's anyone's guess as to where Pogba will be but if we does leave it will be a mixed blessing. Brilliant without question, but when have ever been able to truly count on him? In any event we have Bruno. Lingard, out. I happen to value Van De Beek but it is claimed here that he's shit in training, so he may have to go too. We do have Hannibal, but he'd be a throw of the dice. If Pogba, Lingard and VDB all walk we may need to bring in an attacking midfielder.
Forwards. I'm assuming there's zero chance of Haaland. Witj that behind us, if somehow brought in Kane (at 100m, right?) -- and it may be asked why Harry would want to join the shower at OT and not the Rolls Royce at the Etihad? -- that certainly answers a massive hole in the squad. It could be argued that Kane is past his peak though, but Kane at 29 would still be a massive addition to the squad. Cavani, gone. Ronaldo won't stand for being Kane's partner or cover man. And as hard as it is for me to agree, I've come around the conclusion that Ronaldo can no longer stand the rigors of the PL. So, then what? Elanga. Greenwood is gone (what a fecking waste of a life...and for what?). Sancho and Rashford. Surely Amad has to be given a chance. I would be open to welcoming Martial back, but the precondition to a return has to be an express commitment on his part to put in a proper shift every single game and no not sulk about the pitch before he's subbed off on grounds of indifference and uselessness.
Your point is well taken that we need to rebuild the squad, but it's not going to happen in one summer transfer. If we did in fact in fact bring in Pochettino (not my first pick, mind you) and Kane and Rice this summer we are suddenly a substantially superior side. And maybe, just maybe, if we did bring in Kane and Rice early in the transfer window that might just help tip the scales for Pogba to remain. What would we have?
De Gea
Dalot Varane Maguire Shaw
Rice Pogba
Sancho Bruno Rashford
Kane
That's actually a starting XI Pochettino could do some things with, maybe even beating Watford! But bringing in Kane and Rice would be a tall order.
- Status