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I think beaten "Man City" is a stretch because they lost 3/4 and fluked 1/4.
Likewise with Bayern. If you really think that 3-2 against Bayern was a good showing by PSG, I don't know what to say.
I have no idea when they played and beat Juve.
They seem to have outplayed RM in general, so I'll give him that, but I don't think they're more the brand than a coherent side ATM.
I understand fully with what you are saying and we improve as a team massively with those players and a good manager. But the thing is the balance is still wrong. Which is why I would rather get two CM’s for the price of 1 Declan Rice and two forwards for the price of 1 Harry Kane whilst also removing key members who just haven’t worked.
Maguire, Shaw and Rashford can no longer be first team footballers. It’s doesn’t work and our football suffers. Even though adding those players would improve us the football will still be disjointed and dire.
He might have the objective to challenge for titles but whether he has the funds is a whole different thing because let’s face it with the likes of Pogba, Bailey, Henderson, Lingard, Beek, Cavani, Greenwood and Ronaldo all possibly leaving, whoever comes in is going to have a tough job on their hands.
They better have a proper pair of bollocks because it feels like the poisoned chalice of football with the Glazers holding the wallet and running the show.
Mate, we've spent more than every one bar City, and you're telling me that the Glazers are penny pinching? Put that excuse to bed.
Our issue since Fergie retired has been recruitment. We buy all of these players that turn gash in 2-3 years.
What we need is someone who will responsible for the recruitment of the players, someone like Mitchell and we'll be in really good shape.
Did united fluke that CL win against Bayern in 99 in your eyes? I get it, Poch has struggled against Pep but tell me which coach hasn't. Solskjaer got a few good wins in (does that make him a better candidate?) but overall Pep outclassed him as well. Klopp is the only top manager in England with a good record against Pep.
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I’d argue they certainly could of spent more in comparison to what we make and spend to service their debt and pay their dividends.
But yeah I agree, we’re badly run and need the right structure in place to make better decisions with the recruitment but feck me it’s been a shit show for years and if you think this Mitchell fella or anyone else with so called pedigree in the recruitment field is going to come in wave a wand and it’ll all be tickety boo in a season or 2 I’d think again.
The original claim was basically that because Poch won against Bayern, City, Juve (?) and Madrid he should be considered a good coach. I'm just saying the manner in which you win should be the primary thing to assess. Anyone can fluke wins - we know how that movies goes - Ole "won" against PSG for example. Doesn't mean we should've given him the job.
I'd give him more credit for his work at Spurs than his "wins" against City and Bayern.
A good manager can do wonders. But the manager actually has to be a good manager for wonders to be done.
Maguire has had a horrifying season, but even if we semi-officially went with Lindelof over Maguire Lindelof is a pretty decent CB and Maguire is a pretty decent third choice CB. And if Harry ever found his form again he's actually a decent first choice CB.
I am a bit worried about Shaw too. But I think we're a season away from having a serious conversation about Shaw's future.
Rashford, what to do about him? There's a very decent footballer in him but he looks like a footballer who needs a mental break from the game and from his charitable work. A month off even right now would do great things for him. With the World Cup being moved to December, I have to assume he'll have the summer off to refresh the soul. If his soul can be refreshed I truly believe he can kick on to great things.
It's easy for me to go full muppet but if we did Kane and Rice, and brought up Amad Garner, Hannibal and Mengi -- some would add Levitt and Laird -- with the squad I framed above (assuming that this project would be interesting for Pogba and he committed to putting in a shift and assuming the same for Martial, which I realize is assuming a lot of things) a proper manager could make things interesting in our quest to hunt down City and Liverpool.
If Poch goes Madrid & Ten Hag wants to wait for another job.
Then I would be more than happy with Graham Potter.
He plays a great brand of football, even against the Big Clubs.
Yes he hasn't Champions League Experience, but he has coached in the Europa League with Ostersund, knocking out Galatasaray, finishing 2nd in group and beating Arsenal at the Emirates but ultimately lost the tie.
They are a proper ST short of competing for European places IMHO.
For the argument of the players won't respect him, it's quite simple we move them on, reason we need another new manager is the players.
Then I would be more than happy with Graham Potter.
He plays a great brand of football, even against the Big Clubs.
Yes he hasn't Champions League Experience, but he has coached in the Europa League with Ostersund, knocking out Galatasaray, finishing 2nd in group and beating Arsenal at the Emirates but ultimately lost the tie.
They are a proper ST short of competing for European places IMHO.
For the argument of the players won't respect him, it's quite simple we move them on, reason we need another new manager is the players.
Tier 1 Manager - Pep, Klopp
Tier 2 Manager - Nagelsmann, Tuchel, Enrique, ETH, Poch, Ancelotti, Conte, Simeone
Tier 3 Manager - Potter, Hassenhuttl, Rodgers, etc.
Both Poch and ETH are very close in term of capabilities (something like Pep vs Klopp) with different style of play. Crucially both play modern attacking football. Both are considered Tier 2 manager. Hence, I would be happy with either of them getting the job. Nobody knows for sure what is going to happen, time will tell. Football is not so simple and many factors may contribute to the success or failure of a manager here.
Another important point is that the manager must be supported with proper football structure and power over the players.
Tier 2 Manager - Nagelsmann, Tuchel, Enrique, ETH, Poch, Ancelotti, Conte, Simeone
Tier 3 Manager - Potter, Hassenhuttl, Rodgers, etc.
Both Poch and ETH are very close in term of capabilities (something like Pep vs Klopp) with different style of play. Crucially both play modern attacking football. Both are considered Tier 2 manager. Hence, I would be happy with either of them getting the job. Nobody knows for sure what is going to happen, time will tell. Football is not so simple and many factors may contribute to the success or failure of a manager here.
Another important point is that the manager must be supported with proper football structure and power over the players.
As much as we all love Fergie, recent history has probably proved we should steer clear of his hiring recommendations...
Ancelotti 
Good craic SAF.
Good craic SAF.
Ancelotti? Good Good, no!
The last manager SAF recommended did wonders for the club.
Briefing Ancelotti. Jesus. Why the hell would they be laying the ground for a short-term option? Ancelotti has been passed it for years. He’s exactly the kind of coach United need to steer clear of…
Part of the problem is that Fergie is even being listend to. He seems to have played an active role in bringing Ronnie home, which is a disaster in itself. Nostalgia FC. We need the right structure in place and a strong DoF to drive the decision. Sir Alex needs to enjoy his retirement. And we have heard all this crap about a 'thorough' process numerous times. Stop the PR rubbish and get on with it.
For those saying ETH or Poch, do you believe they will be granted the power to work as they have done when successful? I don't think they will be allowed to sell certain players, change captain or purchase certain players so you won't see the same replication of success. I want Zidane however unlikely as I think he's a man motivator and will get the best out of what he has.
Pushed for Moyes, Ole, jobs for the old boys etc.
He should continue to enjoy retirement but we deserve everything we've gotten if we're still giving him influence over the club decision making...
Ah yes, let's completely overreact to almost certainly completely made up reports that (a) we are interested in Ancelotti - who would absolutely jump at the chance to leave a 1st place Real Madrid, 6pts clear at the top of La Liga, for a struggling and shite Man Utd team who are going to be 6th in a few games and who's fans expect to challenge every year and (b) that Fergie is still involved, or has any say, in picking the next manager.
^Ancelotti was never a long term manager for Madrid and reports out of there from Perez mouthpieces have claimed his job is on the line depending on the outcome of the reverse leg against PSG.
The club higher ups were embarrassed by that performance in the first leg.
Fergie's respect for Poch has also been well documented for years
The club higher ups were embarrassed by that performance in the first leg.
Fergie's respect for Poch has also been well documented for years
Now, it's Ancelotti. A proper reality show, this. Coming up next, Lopetegui and Allegri.
Imagine if we hired Ancelotti in 2022. I thought I'd find Poch difficult to stomach, that would be another level.
David Moyes will be added to that list soon.
I would hope SAF is not even being consulted. This club needs to move on. What is the long-term vision footballing wise? If it is to play proactive attacking football, we are just going to have to accept a lot of players aren't fit for purpose. That Ancelotti has now been thrown in the discussion seems to me to be all about preserving what we have and see if yet another manager cannot get a tune out of this mismatch of players.
This is why I made that poll thread about Poch or Rangnick. It's not about Rangnick as a long-term manager, rather, it's about waiting for a suitable manager to become available, and meanwhile we have someone who is wise to the team's limitations and willing to shape the team for the future.
If ten Hag really does have reservations - which would be quite understandable - I'd hope we'd continue with Rangnick and see whether Enrique is in any way a plausible move following the World Cup.
The main issue here is long-term vision - what is it. If it's genuine, and there was a logical reason for hiring Rangnick in the first place, this team will be changed dramatically in the summer. It's of course understandable that most of us doubt there is any genuine long-term vision and that it's just going to be the same player power toxicity going forward, continuing to chase our losses.
This is why I made that poll thread about Poch or Rangnick. It's not about Rangnick as a long-term manager, rather, it's about waiting for a suitable manager to become available, and meanwhile we have someone who is wise to the team's limitations and willing to shape the team for the future.
If ten Hag really does have reservations - which would be quite understandable - I'd hope we'd continue with Rangnick and see whether Enrique is in any way a plausible move following the World Cup.
The main issue here is long-term vision - what is it. If it's genuine, and there was a logical reason for hiring Rangnick in the first place, this team will be changed dramatically in the summer. It's of course understandable that most of us doubt there is any genuine long-term vision and that it's just going to be the same player power toxicity going forward, continuing to chase our losses.
I think we should ignore the great mans recommendations as next manager. Although I do feel like we've already verbally agreed with Poch to become manager if he's sacked by PSG.
He's also the most realistic, our set up is nothing like that of Ajax and ten Hag might deem that too big of a risk, as reported.
Enrique will want to see through his project with Spain I'm sure with the WC around the corner.
Which leaves Poch, could be a free agent next weekend if the result goes against him vs Real, or he could be given a bumper new deal at the end of the season if he wins the CL. Poch himself might have reservations about our structure too, as its well known he flourished when working with Paul Mitchell.
Time for Murtough & co to prove their worth, this is a gigantic task at hand given we're in the crunch period of the season, I'm guessing a lot of leg work will be being done with intermediaries for these candidates.
I can't help but feel we're cornering ourselves with the managerial hunt again which will implicate our summer transfer business, as we did with Moyes and LvG.
He's also the most realistic, our set up is nothing like that of Ajax and ten Hag might deem that too big of a risk, as reported.
Enrique will want to see through his project with Spain I'm sure with the WC around the corner.
Which leaves Poch, could be a free agent next weekend if the result goes against him vs Real, or he could be given a bumper new deal at the end of the season if he wins the CL. Poch himself might have reservations about our structure too, as its well known he flourished when working with Paul Mitchell.
Time for Murtough & co to prove their worth, this is a gigantic task at hand given we're in the crunch period of the season, I'm guessing a lot of leg work will be being done with intermediaries for these candidates.
I can't help but feel we're cornering ourselves with the managerial hunt again which will implicate our summer transfer business, as we did with Moyes and LvG.
I'm not really sure why people are against Ralf. He's transforming the team, implementing a definite style of play that we've been asking for for years. Since he's come in mid season he's stopped us leaking goals and we've created more chances than anyone else in the entire league. Above both city and Liverpool (160). With a more clinical striker we'd be blowing a lot of teams away. What's more he's got more out of the likes of Dalot, Fred looks like the guy who plays for Brazil and he's integrated Elanga and Sancho whilst dropping the likes of Rashford and is actually using the squad depth. All whilst having zero backing in the transfer market.
Sure, the results aren't perfect yet but surely we can see this is the first time we've had a real upward trajectory in terms of the basis for a dominant team in the future.
It very much reminds me of when Klopp or Pep came in, you could see all the foundations they were putting in place and the stats back this up. Personally i'd very much like to give him more time and get players in that he actually wants, but maybe i'm in the minority.
Sure, the results aren't perfect yet but surely we can see this is the first time we've had a real upward trajectory in terms of the basis for a dominant team in the future.
It very much reminds me of when Klopp or Pep came in, you could see all the foundations they were putting in place and the stats back this up. Personally i'd very much like to give him more time and get players in that he actually wants, but maybe i'm in the minority.
The Ancelotti link is clearly bs.
well put
Ten Hag still has a contract for next year and is already planning for next season he said today. Ofcourse everything can happen in football. Ajax will do everything to keep him for at least one more season because they already lost Overmars as a technical man at the club. I think he will stay a bit longer at Ajax, his dream club to go to is Bayern, he could wait a couple of years for that.
The Ten Hag has reservation, probably hasn't been a secret for us we have probably been sounding him out for months.
This is probably why we are adamant of Ralph going upstairs.
Maybe the Assistant DOF is Mitchell and we are putting the same structure in place as Ajax.
Rob Dawson chats shit & hope someone believes him.
This is probably why we are adamant of Ralph going upstairs.
Maybe the Assistant DOF is Mitchell and we are putting the same structure in place as Ajax.
Rob Dawson chats shit & hope someone believes him.
There's a reason James Ducker is considered a far better journo for us than Rob Dawson. I wouldn't pay much attention to the likes of Ogden and Dawson over Stone, Ducker and Ornstein.
Assuming this is sarcasm, change 'The last' to 'Each' and your statement is still true.
I'd like to believe that the club would just keep Rangnick on as manager rather than go for an option like Ancelotti.
I think Enrique isn't viable at all and there is the possibility that ETH may not want to come to United for a number of reasons. Even though I'm sure Poch would happily come to United, if PSG can't get ETH or Zidane to replace him it wouldn't surprise me if they rebuff our attempts for Poch as well.
I think Enrique isn't viable at all and there is the possibility that ETH may not want to come to United for a number of reasons. Even though I'm sure Poch would happily come to United, if PSG can't get ETH or Zidane to replace him it wouldn't surprise me if they rebuff our attempts for Poch as well.
Ancelotti in 2013, sure. Ancelotti in 2022, no thanks.
Luckily it's a horseshit story.
Luckily it's a horseshit story.
Ducker mentioned Poch, ten Hag and Enrique this morning.
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