Wont be. But I would want the players to not be consulted.
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Th Caf's full of hipsters.
Who gives a shit what they want?
The players decide on Pochettino as the next manager..
Player power is something else at this club, most of these are nowhere near good enough to play here let alone make decisions.
I have no doubt we will appoint him, another massive mistake considering ETH is available.
Player power is something else at this club, most of these are nowhere near good enough to play here let alone make decisions.
I have no doubt we will appoint him, another massive mistake considering ETH is available.
Playing shit while sitting pretty at the top of Ligue 1 by 13 points and still in the CL. Why this needless urge to shit on Pochettino?
His play style will get scrutinized more because PSG plays in less competitive league.
ETH brings both style and results. His Ajax team is built on peanuts and is still brilliant to watch.
I feel like you don't get sarcasm
The Eredivisie is an even less competitive league and while Ajax are dominant PSV and Fyenoord are still within touching distance. Tuchel was criticized for similar reasons by the hierarchy at PSG (his style), and he also had the same issues with Leonardo that Pochettino is facing. It's not a foregone conclusion that Ten Hag will adapt well to the rigors and elevated pressure of managing in the PL.
Pochetinno made Southampton and Spurs brilliant to watch on peanuts did he not? It's a matter of preference maybe but the two are not too dissimilar in their respective approaches to the game
The thing with Poch is that he cannot compete with the best of them.
All that talk about attacking football etc but he always parks the bus against top-top teams.
The best coaches do not abandon their principles even against the top sides and coaches. Klopp did not do it with his weak ass squad at the beginning of his career in Liverpool.
Poch is just a good coach. We won't win anything with him, not in a million years.
And Erik Ten Hag can be special. He has that potential.
All that talk about attacking football etc but he always parks the bus against top-top teams.
The best coaches do not abandon their principles even against the top sides and coaches. Klopp did not do it with his weak ass squad at the beginning of his career in Liverpool.
Poch is just a good coach. We won't win anything with him, not in a million years.
And Erik Ten Hag can be special. He has that potential.
Of course the players want Pochettino - they can continue to be entirely useless under him while collecting their paycheck with no consequences. He can't deal with players, evident by his time at PSG, so the inmates will continue to run the asylum. We are challenging absolutely nothing with Pochettino as manager. And once the worst comes to pass, they can throw him under the bus and find the next worst option. God, my dislike for this squad is turning into hate.
Which is why he will be the next manager 100%. By the time we sack him 3 years down, failing to win anything, Newcastle will have slowly gathered their strength. And we will be firmly out of Top 4, fighting with Tottenham and Arsenal for 5th place. Feck this. Just one time make a good decision. One time! Please!
Which is why he will be the next manager 100%. By the time we sack him 3 years down, failing to win anything, Newcastle will have slowly gathered their strength. And we will be firmly out of Top 4, fighting with Tottenham and Arsenal for 5th place. Feck this. Just one time make a good decision. One time! Please!
So safe to assume Shaw is the source of plenty of the leaks then.
Nothing makes me more worried for the future than a bunch of players not good enough to wear the shirt calling the shots about the next manager who they will no doubt throw under the bus one day anyway.
Nothing makes me more worried for the future than a bunch of players not good enough to wear the shirt calling the shots about the next manager who they will no doubt throw under the bus one day anyway.
Did he park the bus when he beat us 3-0 at Old Trafford? Or when he beat Chelsea 5-3? Or Real Madrid 3-1 the last time they won the CL? Or when he beat Dortmund 3-0 or the couple of times he's beaten Pep in the PL?
Even then him using a different tactic in big games isn't a bad thing. You need to have the capability to adapt to different philosophies depending on the dynamics of the game in place or else one's team becomes too predictable or you completely throw a game away due to tactical stubbornness. Pep's stubbornness on tinkering cost him a CL final despite being an "attacking" manager but "park the bus" Tuchel won the CL I don't know about you but I'd take the trophy over anything. Do you think we can adopt a high line press with De Gea, AWB and Maguire against City or Liverpool or would it be best to be pragmatic till we can replace them for example?
Never wanted Ten Hag more now. This team who already threw managers under the bus should not get their way.
Half of them will be gone anyway - genuinely the most unlikeable squad we've had in all my years of supporting United. The constant leaks are embarrassing.
Half of them will be gone anyway - genuinely the most unlikeable squad we've had in all my years of supporting United. The constant leaks are embarrassing.
Aye which is why this story makes no sense. We’re one of the laziest teams in the league statistically. These lot will be in for a shock when Poch turns up. And they don’t have the profile or medal count of Neymar, Messi and Mbappe to be getting away with shit.
Question. Have you ever heard about him falling out with players in the PSG dressing room or did you just assume it due to "results" even though he's 13 points clear in Ligue 1 and in the CL knock outs as well as your preference of ETH even though there's barely much of a difference between him and Poch? There's never been any serious reports in the French media of him falling out with players and this is despite Messi having fewer league goals than Fred and him causing the same imbalance problems as Ronaldo with us. It's actually been reported he has a good relationship with Neymar and Mbappe plus Messi said Poch is a big reason he chose PSG. It seems he's handling the egos fine which is a plus for any manager we hire. If he can handle PSG without completely capitulating he's a better option to handle the egos at Utd than ETH
How fecking entitled are these players? Not trying to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but i think quite a few of them downed tools this season to get Ole out, and now they have the gall not only to undermine the current manager, but to make demands about the next one?
Considering some of the abysmal individual performances they've delivered this season that speaks of a shocking lack of self awareness
While it’s just a report, I could truly give no fecks what the players want.
I think the best managers are often liked and respected. Guardiola and Klopp, Fergie etc don’t seem like they are at war with their players in the way Mourinho often is. They always have that switch they can flick though and Ole definitely didn’t seem to have that.
Poch has achieved a great deal more than Ole though regardless of whether he’s won all that much. It obviously looks like he’ll get the french title this year but just off his Southampton and Spurs work he deserves a certain amount of respect from players.
Don’t get me wrong ETH is my choice but we’ve seen how many issues Rangnick has already had to deal with from our squad. It just makes it that bit harder for ETH to succeed if he is having to win over some of the squad as well.
Ajax has twice the income of any other club in the Eredivisie.
Brilliant to watch doesn't have anything to do with the quality of Eredivise. His sides play football of similar quality against better sides. So yeah, he can setup a side to play good football without spending billions like Pep.
If players want Poch, then don't let them. These are not the players who have merit for making these decisions. If we had serial winners (like SAF's last team) sharing their mutual opinion on the next manager, I'd sort of trust them, because they have the drive, the ability to win and correct mindset. But this team just wants to have vibes, chill, do the minimum to win, have some media coverage and collect a hefty sum of payments each week.
It's the same as a once a giant of a company has its sales department underperforming heavily and has been so whoever the manager is. Then the board gives them the choice for next manager. Sorry, but it is the guaranteed path to mediocrity. Yes, it's easier to replace the manager than the team itself, but if the managers are still failing and some rotten apples are becoming more visible amongst the team, then you need to have an overhaul. You either replace the rotten apples and back the manager or you just for extra guarantee, replace the manager as well and start from the blank sheet.
Ralf is doing good job and shows our weak points (Maguire, Shaw, Lingard, Henderson and other deadwood or players with incorrect mentality whom cannot be taught anymore), creating a perfect action plan for the next manager. I think it's superb way to onboard the new manager, as Ralf does the audit and the dirtiest work himself and new guy knows exactly how and what should be done. And yes, ETH is the man I'd like to see as a next manager.
It's the same as a once a giant of a company has its sales department underperforming heavily and has been so whoever the manager is. Then the board gives them the choice for next manager. Sorry, but it is the guaranteed path to mediocrity. Yes, it's easier to replace the manager than the team itself, but if the managers are still failing and some rotten apples are becoming more visible amongst the team, then you need to have an overhaul. You either replace the rotten apples and back the manager or you just for extra guarantee, replace the manager as well and start from the blank sheet.
Ralf is doing good job and shows our weak points (Maguire, Shaw, Lingard, Henderson and other deadwood or players with incorrect mentality whom cannot be taught anymore), creating a perfect action plan for the next manager. I think it's superb way to onboard the new manager, as Ralf does the audit and the dirtiest work himself and new guy knows exactly how and what should be done. And yes, ETH is the man I'd like to see as a next manager.
Yep. Because if there’s anyone I want after a 10 year trophy drought it’s Mr Winner himself Spursy Pochettino
Tielemans could replace Pogba and only has a year left on his deal so could be a relative bargain. There are a decent amount of midfield options out there generally.
There are lots of strikers that don’t cost £100m. We may not get Haaland, Kane, Lewandowski or Mbappe. But the next tier down has some interesting options. Gouiri, Darwin Nunez, Jonathan David etc. We need to find some players who can make the step up to the next level in the same way that Liverpool signed Salah, Mane, Firmino and Jota from smaller clubs and for relatively modest fees.
Would be quite happy to sell everyone over 21, then just completely rebuild from there with Ten Hag. Have to get rid of the weed by pulling up the root.
Lets hope there's where Ralf comes in.
Wait, are you calling me an Ajax fan?!
Bit of a straw man argument, when he didn't even mention anything about managing egos. It's about his credentials as a coach.
They don’t want ten hag
I doubt most of the players had even heard of Ten Hag. I don’t even know anything about him until i came across his hipster thread on the Caf
They don't want him because they know mediocre performances would wash with Poch and he himself would feel he's landed on his feet getting the job so easily after being sacked by Spurs and PSG.
He doesn't strike me as having any authority or a ruthless streak to sell the ones that need selling, that there would be his downfall, the players would walk all over him.
Odd because what's attractive about Pochettino to them? He's a bottler and he likes his team to press if they think they wouldn't do that under him.
Any player that has watched Ajax would be drooling at the prospect of playing like them so it seems they haven't watched them to know who Ten Hag is
Any player that has watched Ajax would be drooling at the prospect of playing like them so it seems they haven't watched them to know who Ten Hag is
Most had never heard of past hipsters like Klopp and Tuchel.
A lot of players don't watch much football, so it would be bo surprise if they did not see much of Ajax. A few players already met and lost to ten Hag's Ajax, but that's far from being the majority of the squad.
And always remember what manager legend Hans Meyer said about players: "In every squad there are at least five complete idiots, and one of them would live on the streets if he couldn't play football."
Should tell you sonething about player opinions...
I would say the pressure was extremely on for Ten Hag when he became manager.
When he started at Ajax in 2018, Ajax hadn't been domestic champions since 2014 and Ajax was financially draining away.. Television money is absolutly shit, about 10 million euro's per year. Champions League is extremely important for Ajax in terms of money (especially since the Covid outbreak and supporters werent allowed in the stadium anymore). When he started we hadnt played Champ In his first year at Ajax he had to qualify in July/August three qualifying rounds to get in the Champions League, which he did. In his second year he again had to survive three qualifying rounds in the Champions League even though we were Dutch champions the league before (because our league is só shit the Champions had to qualify), and he survived again.
Also at Ajax winning is not enough. You have to play in a certain manner. Frank de Boer is probably one of the most impopulair Ajax coaches ever, while giving us 4 back to back Championships, because he played dreadful football. He was under extreme critisism. Ten Hag blows everyone away with his playing style, not just in NL but also in Europe.
Ten Has also had to do with a lot of extra criticism from the media because he is not from the city, but labeled a country boy, a farmer. He had to prove way more than any other coach like Van Basten or De Boer in the past he was the right man for the job and started at -10... There was immense pressure on him to deliver from the start as it would have cost him immediately...
I'm not saying he can't make the step up, just that the pressure of playing/managing in Eredivisie isn't close to that of the PL. Being mocked for your accent, probably in a friendly, non-agressive Dutch way, is nothing like the scrutiny you get as MUFC manager. Questioning your ability after every dropped point, questioning everything, hell even players that will anonymously stab you in the back to the media and make you look daft. Plus the fact you see millions of people talking about you on the news, TV, radio, social media. Your children and family go online and see you being picked apart by journalists and supporters across the globe.
You get none of that as manager of Ajax. I've never once heard them discuss Ajax in my lifetime on UK TV, yet I bet United get attention on every sports channel across the globe.
Damn, at a first glimpse of that photo it looked like Ole had been shipwrecked on a baking hot island for months and lost his marbles.
I agree, I can't understand it myself. Ten Hag's team is coached to exert zonal and positional control by controlling offensive transitions in a vertical axis, which he's implemented at a very high level in the UCL. Poch apart from being known to press high in his early career is quite limited in comparison when it comes to implementing on the ball work.
for some of them the sum of their analysis will be asking Harry Kane what Poch is like while on England duty. "yeah he's good"... "well I'm sold"
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