Next permanent manager | Poll updated

Who should be the next permanent manager?

  • Luis Enrique

    Votes: 113 7.4%
  • Erik ten Hag

    Votes: 1,300 84.7%
  • Julen Lopetegui

    Votes: 10 0.7%
  • Mauricio Pochettino

    Votes: 79 5.1%
  • None of the above

    Votes: 32 2.1%

  • Total voters
    1,534
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Obviously I like most want ETH as the next manager but even leaving personal preferences aside, this isn't a decision that should be made on the basis of who the players decide they want.

It should be based on who the supposed football experts in roles above the manager (Murtough, Fletcher and Rangnick) deem to be most appropriate as per their vision of the club's direction and assesment of the available candidates.
 
Everyday I dislike this squad a bit more. The media bombing tonight... indulging these players is why we're in the mud. I couldn't give a f-k who or what they want.
 
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There is a growing clamour within the Manchester United dressing room for Mauricio Pochettino to be appointed the club’s full-time manager at the end of the season | @hirstclass
Oh yeah, can't wait for argentinian Ole so these players can dab on him too. Feck right off you overpaid losers, enough is enough.
 
Who are these ‘senior members of the squad’? Juan Mata? Nemanja Matic? Harry Maguire? Who gives a feck what they think?
 


Luckhurst also saying that Murtough along with Rangnick will be involved in the decision making process.
 
feck the players. They're the downfall.

Rangnick for permanent manager. I like his analysis of the squad and he'd be great if backed in the summer.
 
How the feck does it make sense to get a guy that can't make Messi look good? I was pro-Poch over the years, but this PSG run hasn't made me clamor for him or anything?
 
What the hell.. Telegraph, Times, MEN, ESPN.. that's a briefing?!
 
Woodward and Arnold are reportedly fans, SAF tried to lure him to United in 2016 before Mourinho was hired and we know he's an admirer dating back to Poch's days at Southampton. Now these reports are saying the players want him too. I would be surprised if Poch isn't the next United manager.
Yeah, but both Ralf and Mortough are fans of ETH. Woodward is out. Arnold delegated the football matters to our DoF. If anything this appointment will show if we actually made some changes, or it was just soundbites to appease the fans,

Urgh, this is the worst. There have been times I’d have loved Poch but my god the idea the players get any say after their abject performances all year is disgusting. Far too many of them think way too much of themselves.

That being said it does make things easier in some sense if the majority of the squad are behind the manager.

I also find it hard to judge anybody working at PSG. They have a huge advantage in the league and so CL performances by and large are the barometer and they’ve been pretty unconvincing. On top of that the manager has little say in how their squad is constructed so it can be somewhat difficult to Frankenstein a system out of what PSG have available.
We just had one such manager. What our squad needs is someone to give them a kick up their arse and be reminded that if you play for United you play to win trophies. The players should respect the manager, liking isn't an option as they don't have to marry him.
 
Who the feck are these players ? Shaw ? He himself is getting replaced.

Just go strong on ETH . If he isn't coming Ralf can stay.
 
Man , the scenes when we go with this guy and City takes ETH to replace Pep. Typical United.

For once, please be proactive and get ETH in. Players can feck off. Half of them are leaving anyway.
 
Yeah, but both Ralf and Mortough are fans of ETH. Woodward is out. Arnold delegated the football matters to our DoF. If anything this appointment will show if we actually made some changes, or it was just soundbites to appease the fans,
Yeah they are but I still think the club will settle on Poch because of his PL experience and track record of working with young players.
 
Yeah they are but I still think the club will settle on Poch because of his PL experience and track record of working with young players.
Yeah, but ETH also uses young players quiet a bit. He also turns other teams deadwood into world beaters. While Poch does have PL experience, he hasn't won anything except a Top4 cup.

He'd be a perfect match for Spurs once they sack Conte and Arsenal though.
 
Man , the scenes when we go with this guy and City takes ETH to replace Pep. Typical United.

For once, please be proactive and get ETH in. Players can feck off. Half of them are leaving anyway.
Yea its been reported a few times over the last few months by City-affiliated journos that he's near the top of their shortlist to succeed Pep once he steps down and for good reason.

Could absolutely see him ending up there and continuing their run of dominance atop English football while we're stuck in purgatory scraping for the occasional second class trophy with Poch for 4 years in typical Post-SAF United fashion
 
People in positions of power making decisions? Blimey
People in positions of power on the football side of the club, making decisions independently from the board, is what's being reported.
 
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Yeah they are but I still think the club will settle on Poch because of his PL experience and track record of working with young players.
Top 4 and lowering expectation when it comes to title challenge?

Rather a dare devil new kid on the block trying to work his way to top fearlessly if it's key requirement in the profile.
 
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It wouldn't surprise me if the players prefer Poch. They'll be aware of the great job he did at Spurs and will be far more familiar with how his teams play than ETH's. I still think Poch did a brilliant job at Spurs and an impressive job at Southampton before that, and despite thinking ETH has done a great job with Ajax, he's far from the guaranteed success that most seem to think. The difference between managing Ajax and Manchester United is absolutely massive. The expectations and ego handling is on a completely different level, not just at Utd but any top club. Like it or not, if the players already have doubts from the start the chances of him succeeding are significantly lower than a manager who the players fully believe in.

ETH has never had experience managing a club with superstars and the most pressure he's had from the fans is simply getting Ajax to win the Eredivisie. Everything else has been a bonus, and he's done brilliantly but without any real pressure it's hard to judge how he would handle the step up to a job that basically requires a full restructure of the team and club in general. Poch getting experience working with major egos at PSG will probably be a good thing in the long term, even if it hasn't gone as well as he would have liked at PSG. He also dealt with a couple stars while at Spurs and the players always seemed to be fully behind Poch until his final season. There was also a significant amount of expectation and pressure on Poch towards the end of his time with Spurs largely down to the success he himself had created. When they didn't win the PL or CL after coming so close the fans were very unhappy despite the fact that they realistically never should have been competing for either in the first place.

Realistically Poch has been our number 1 target for a long time now, and whether you value the Board's opinion or not, this has been a well thought out plan for ages and it was the decision to keep Ole that changed everything. I would prefer us to stick to a longer term plan considering how all of our short term decisions have been going, and I have no doubt if we got ETH it would be a completely short term decision that has come about based on Ajax's performances in CL this season and fan clamour. I doubt the Board even knew who ETH was 1 year ago. I'm sure ETH will do very well somewhere else but it would be much easier for him to settle into a club like City where everything is already in place than Utd or Barcelona where it's a complete mess.
 
feck the players. We need to rebuild this club. I'd hope in 2-3 years time there'll be no more than 6-7 of them still here.
 
The players are hoping for an easy ride as per usual.

I hope the Romans come back from the dead as managers and treat the squad like Christians.
 
Yeah, but ETH also uses young players quiet a bit. He also turns other teams deadwood into world beaters. While Poch does have PL experience, he hasn't won anything except a Top4 cup.

He'd be a perfect match for Spurs once they sack Conte and Arsenal though.
I would prefer ten Hag personally but I just can't see United preferring him to Poch. There's too many high level admirers of Poch at United and he's clearly been a target for years now. It's being reported Rangnick prefers ten Haag but it's not been reported that he's against Poch.
 
There are only 2 possibilities , given its a brief.

1. United hierarchy has decided to go with Poch and they want to test the water with a news like this. Kind of an advance notice.

2. United hierarchy is pro -ETH and Poch's camp is unsettled by it. They want to test the water.
 
This place is going to be so toxic if Poch takes over.

I really despise our fanbase at times. Can we not just get behind whoever takes over instead of just hating him from step one?
 
I would prefer ten Hag personally but I just can't see United preferring him to Poch. There's too many high level admirers of Poch at United and he's clearly been a target for years now. It's being reported Rangnick prefers ten Haag but it's not been reported that he's against Poch.
Woody and SAF aside, are there really?
Mortough is for ETH. Ralf is for ETH. Marcel Bout is Dutch so it's fair to say he is ETH.

Most of this Poch to United is a done dealio is paper talk from 2 years ago. I don't think they've been briefed on our current target.

So far the only credible journalists have said that Ten Hag is our top pick. For now, everything else is just noise
 
People in positions of power making decisions? Blimey
You have issue with that?

From our conversation n the transfer tweet thread, I feel like you have a misconception of how thing work.

Politician is supposed to be the worker for voters' demand. Corrupted politicians distorted this mechanism.

However when it comes to private organization, it's the pyramid system. The top should be better making choice or it . Having the lower level members of the organization choosing their boss would bring chaos and easily take down the whole organization.

Politicians in office chooses their own assistants, clerks...
 
ETH has never had experience managing a club with superstars and the most pressure he's had from the fans is simply getting Ajax to win the Eredivisie. Everything else has been a bonus, and he's done brilliantly but without any real pressure
Disagree on this point - as Ajax manager you have the pressure that you have to win the league AND do it in style. Just winning it doesn't satisfy the fans. It's far more pressure to actually deliver something than a United manager has to deal with at the moment.
 
There are only 2 possibilities , given its a brief.

1. United hierarchy has decided to go with Poch and they want to test the water with a news like this. Kind of an advance notice.

2. United hierarchy is pro -ETH and Poch's camp is unsettled by it. They want to test the water.

If it was option 2 then I doubt they'd mention that ETH has admirers at United in the article.
 
This place is going to be so toxic if Poch takes over.

I really despise our fanbase at times. Can we not just get behind whoever takes over instead of just hating him from step one?
Not really and everyone will back him if he is on board.

But It's toxic now because we are fecking incapable of making a proper decision and this is an atrocious decision. ETH is the bright spot but we go with a struggling manager. Suits us perfectly.
 
Disagree on this point - as Ajax manager you have the pressure that you have to win the league AND do it in style. Just winning it doesn't satisfy the fans. It's far more pressure to actually deliver something than a United manager has to deal with at the moment.

I'm sorry but I just don't believe that for a second. The United manager is scrutinised beyond belief in every country across the globe. The Ajax job just doesn't have the same pressure. In fact it seems quite a wholesome club where they leave off their manager to get things in place and make their mark, as I believe ETH struggled initially there.
 
Disagree on this point - as Ajax manager you have the pressure that you have to win the league AND do it in style. Just winning it doesn't satisfy the fans. It's far more pressure to actually deliver something than a United manager has to deal with at the moment.

Ok maybe there's pressure to win with style but you're absolutely crazy if you think the pressure at Ajax is anywhere near the levels at Utd. The quality in the Eredivisie is nowhere near to the Premier League. It's easy for a well coached team to win with style when their squad is better than all the others in the league. There are at least 3 teams with better squads than Utd in the Premier League (I think you could argue more). If you want evidence of the pressure at Utd, just go and check the threads before the start of this season and the amount of people expecting us to win the league or at the very least challenge. The idea of not getting top 4 was unthinkable and 90% of the forum was seeing 4th as a failure. Now most would be delighted if we managed to get 4th. Start of next season expectations will go right back up like they do every season.
 
It wouldn't surprise me if the players prefer Poch. They'll be aware of the great job he did at Spurs and will be far more familiar with how his teams play than ETH's. I still think Poch did a brilliant job at Spurs and an impressive job at Southampton before that, and despite thinking ETH has done a great job with Ajax, he's far from the guaranteed success that most seem to think. The difference between managing Ajax and Manchester United is absolutely massive. The expectations and ego handling is on a completely different level, not just at Utd but any top club. Like it or not, if the players already have doubts from the start the chances of him succeeding are significantly lower than a manager who the players fully believe in.

ETH has never had experience managing a club with superstars and the most pressure he's had from the fans is simply getting Ajax to win the Eredivisie. Everything else has been a bonus, and he's done brilliantly but without any real pressure it's hard to judge how he would handle the step up to a job that basically requires a full restructure of the team and club in general. Poch getting experience working with major egos at PSG will probably be a good thing in the long term, even if it hasn't gone as well as he would have liked at PSG. He also dealt with a couple stars while at Spurs and the players always seemed to be fully behind Poch until his final season. There was also a significant amount of expectation and pressure on Poch towards the end of his time with Spurs largely down to the success he himself had created. When they didn't win the PL or CL after coming so close the fans were very unhappy despite the fact that they realistically never should have been competing for either in the first place.

Realistically Poch has been our number 1 target for a long time now, and whether you value the Board's opinion or not, this has been a well thought out plan for ages and it was the decision to keep Ole that changed everything. I would prefer us to stick to a longer term plan considering how all of our short term decisions have been going, and I have no doubt if we got ETH it would be a completely short term decision that has come about based on Ajax's performances in CL this season and fan clamour. I doubt the Board even knew who ETH was 1 year ago. I'm sure ETH will do very well somewhere else but it would be much easier for him to settle into a club like City where everything is already in place than Utd or Barcelona where it's a complete mess.

So because it was the plan before appointing Ole, we should stick to it? That makes no sense. The game moves on. I'm not sure what value managing the egos at Paris will be, Tuchel seems to have a strong grip on his team, but Emery didn't really command his team. Poch did well at Southampton (as have others since, even now despite their tiny net spend over the last few seasons) and he did well at Spurs. I do think it went a bit wrong in the end there, and it sort of culminated in him saying he'd probably leave Spurs if they won the CL, the day before the match. Rubbed me the wrong way, like when Ole talked down our title chances when we were top of the table, and said trophies are for egos.

ETH's main fault is that he's not managed in the top leagues. But you can't underestimate their showing in Europe. He's working on a very tight budget and he's got them playing outstanding football. I know Mourinho won two major trophies with Porto, but he didn't arrive from a top league. Not that I'm comparing them as such, just illustrating that that gap has been comfortably bridged before.

Would you rather Liverpool hired Poch or ETH? Or City? Or Arsenal? For me, it's always the same answer. I'd take the risk on ETH as he's on a steep upwards curve and is more of an unknown quantity, rather than Poch who's plateaued and we know what brings (which is not enough to challenge our rivals).

I'm sure all the footballing people at the club (a growing list thank f) will be keenly aware of ETH and I'd hope said footballing people will have hired Rangnick based upon a long-term vision which will inform the recruitment of a new manager.
 
Not really and everyone will back him if he is on board.

But It's toxic now because we are fecking incapable of making a proper decision and this is an atrocious decision. ETH is the bright spot but we go with a struggling manager. Suits us perfectly.
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Pochettino will not have it as easy with the fans because a majority of our fan base dislike him. Heck a poll on here people said they rather keep Ralf than poch :lol:
 
I'm sorry but I just don't believe that for a second. The United manager is scrutinised beyond belief in every country across the globe. The Ajax job just doesn't have the same pressure. In fact it seems quite a wholesome club where they leave off their manager to get things in place and make their mark, as I believe ETH struggled initially there.
Then you need to watch more Ajax games then. Ask our Ajax/United resident fans in @AjaxCunian @KirkDuyt @BrilliantOrange which manager has to deal with more pressure?

Ok maybe there's pressure to win with style but you're absolutely crazy if you think the pressure at Ajax is anywhere near the levels at Utd. The quality in the Eredivisie is nowhere near to the Premier League. It's easy for a well coached team to win with style when their squad is better than all the others in the league. There are at least 3 teams with better squads than Utd in the Premier League (I think you could argue more). If you want evidence of the pressure at Utd, just go and check the threads before the start of this season and the amount of people expecting us to win the league or at the very least challenge. The idea of not getting top 4 was unthinkable and 90% of the forum was seeing 4th as a failure. Now most would be delighted if we managed to get 4th. Start of next season expectations will go right back up like they do every season.
You will get booed by your own fans if you play dross football at Ajax. At United your name is sung if you get hammered 5-0 at home by Liverpool. This whole pressure thing is just overrated.

The biggest pressure comes from the quality of the league, as your team has to give 100% in every match if you want to win something. ETH has shown that his Ajax team is more than capable of doing it in the CL. Winning 6 on the trot this comp, plus putting 4 at home to Real at dumping Juventus out with Tadic as your main CF a couple of years back.

The fact that people think that he is some kind of Potter is downright football ignorance.
 
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