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[stefan92]

Ok maybe there's pressure to win with style but you're absolutely crazy if you think the pressure at Ajax is anywhere near the levels at Utd. The quality in the Eredivisie is nowhere near to the Premier League. It's easy for a well coached team to win with style when their squad is better than all the others in the league. There are at least 3 teams with better squads than Utd in the Premier League (I think you could argue more). If you want evidence of the pressure at Utd, just go and check the threads before the start of this season and the amount of people expecting us to win the league or at the very least challenge. The idea of not getting top 4 was unthinkable and 90% of the forum was seeing 4th as a failure. Now most would be delighted if we managed to get 4th. Start of next season expectations will go right back up like they do every season.

It's all true what you say about the squad quality etc, and also about the expectation here.

But I am quite sure if you just exchanged the United fans with Ajax fans at Old Trafford, we wouldn't have heard the "Ole's at the wheel" chants, we would have heard them wanting him to be sacked much much earlier this season. Somehow United fans often seem to have high expectations, and yet don't demand consequences if they aren't fulfilled.

 

[BorisManUtd]

Unless ten Hag really impresses in knockout stages of Champions League (like reaching at least semis again while beating quality opposition in the process), it'll be Pochettino. Club has been in contact with Poch for years now, at least since Mourinho got the sack. Players reporedly want him, there's no baggage that comes with him like with Mourinho, Conte etc, proven in PL, good behaviour.. Everything seems to be pointing at Pochettino but let's see what happens over next few months.

 

[hobbers]

If the players want Poch it's even more obvious ETH is the answer.

Players are spineless babies and want coddled.

 

[Dazzmondo]

Then you need to watch more Ajax games then. Ask our Ajax/United resident fans in @AjaxCunian @KirkDuyt @BrilliantOrange which manager has to deal with more pressure?


You will get booed by your own fans if you play dross football at Ajax. At United your name is sung if you get hammered 5-0 at home by Liverpool. This whole pressure thing is just overrated.

The biggest pressure comes from the quality of the league, as your team has to give 100% in every match if you want to win something. ETH has shown that his Ajax team is more than capable of doing it in the CL. Winning 6 on the trot this comp, plus putting 4 at home to Real at dumping Juventus out with Tadic as your main CF a couple of years back.

The fact that people think that he is some kind of Potter is downright football ignorance.

I'm not criticising ETH, I think he's done an excellent job but the point remains, he's not under any pressure to do well in the CL. His team are performing well because they've fully bought into him and they know he has a system that works for their team. He's going to have to prove his worth to the players all over again in a far more difficult league, with far higher expectations and no matter what you try to say the pressure at Utd is miles higher, it's not even close. He could still do well and if he was appointed of course I'd support him and hope he does well, but if he starts badly he could be in trouble immediately, which is very possible based on our cuurent form. You could argue Rangnick was a highly regarded tactical manager and I'd say there's been suggestions that a lot of the squad don't believe in him and aren't particularly happy with him. Ultimately he had never managed a top team either, and that's a big deal, rightly or wrongly.

 

[Dazzmondo]

So because it was the plan before appointing Ole, we should stick to it? That makes no sense. The game moves on. I'm not sure what value managing the egos at Paris will be, Tuchel seems to have a strong grip on his team, but Emery didn't really command his team. Poch did well at Southampton (as have others since, even now despite their tiny net spend over the last few seasons) and he did well at Spurs. I do think it went a bit wrong in the end there, and it sort of culminated in him saying he'd probably leave Spurs if they won the CL, the day before the match. Rubbed me the wrong way, like when Ole talked down our title chances when we were top of the table, and said trophies are for egos.

ETH's main fault is that he's not managed in the top leagues. But you can't underestimate their showing in Europe. He's working on a very tight budget and he's got them playing outstanding football. I know Mourinho won two major trophies with Porto, but he didn't arrive from a top league. Not that I'm comparing them as such, just illustrating that that gap has been comfortably bridged before.

Would you rather Liverpool hired Poch or ETH? Or City? Or Arsenal? For me, it's always the same answer. I'd take the risk on ETH as he's on a steep upwards curve and is more of an unknown quantity, rather than Poch who's plateaued and we know what brings (which is not enough to challenge our rivals).

I'm sure all the footballing people at the club (a growing list thank f) will be keenly aware of ETH and I'd hope said footballing people will have hired Rangnick based upon a long-term vision which will inform the recruitment of a new manager.

Mourinho won the Champions League and he came into a team that had never won a CL. That straight away gave him far more respect (rightfully). ETH has done very well with Ajax but he still hasn't actually won the CL. If he actually wins the CL this season it might be a different story, but a bit too early to assume they'll win it imo (and ultimately I would be quite surprised if they did). I don't see ETH going to Liverpool, they play very different football and that would be a major tactical change to a very old squad. I wouldn't be too worried about him taking over for Klopp who I consider a far better manager at this point. I think he would do well at City, mostly because everything is already in place and there isn't really any need for major changes there. He also plays a very similar style of football to Pep anyway (largely due to working with Pep directly). Don't know how he'd do at Arsenal but I don't think they'd win a league with him in the short term at least so can't say that'd concern me too much either.

 

[tenpoless]

Bottlers tend to flock together is how I see the players wanting Poch.

 

[RedDevil250]

Get anyone else in now. Tired of these babies who leak to the press. I'd not only not listen to these players leaking, I'd actively try to sell them. I'm absolutely sick and tired of the players here and honestly, straight up dislike most of them.

 

[Caesar2290]

I'm not criticising ETH, I think he's done an excellent job but the point remains, he's not under any pressure to do well in the CL. His team are performing well because they've fully bought into him and they know he has a system that works for their team. He's going to have to prove his worth to the players all over again in a far more difficult league, with far higher expectations and no matter what you try to say the pressure at Utd is miles higher, it's not even close. He could still do well and if he was appointed of course I'd support him and hope he does well, but if he starts badly he could be in trouble immediately, which is very possible based on our cuurent form. You could argue Rangnick was a highly regarded tactical manager and I'd say there's been suggestions that a lot of the squad don't believe in him and aren't particularly happy with him. Ultimately he had never managed a top team either, and that's a big deal, rightly or wrongly.

It's one thing to do well, and it's another thing to do what he did with Ajax. Now I know that he doesn't have any pressure in the CL, but thing is so do a host of other manager, yet not a single one has managed to achieve what he did so far.

Usually they might have a one off season where they reach the semis like Jardim or Deschamps, but after that they become irrelevant.

What's impressive about ETH is despite losing his stars from that 2019 side he not only managed to stay competitive, but also rebuild his team by using cast offs. His 2019 side had De Ligt, De Jong, Donny, and a host of other players that stood out. Now who are the stars of his current team?

And that is my point. ETH brings consistency, discipline. The notion that he is some manager from Japan is laughable. Ronny's side got outplaued by him in the CL. So did Varane's. These guys definitely know what he is capable of.

I imagine most of our lads are very impressed with what he is doing right now at Ajax.

 

[pocco]

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Then you need to watch more Ajax games then. Ask our Ajax/United resident fans in @AjaxCunian @KirkDuyt @BrilliantOrange which manager has to deal with more pressure?

I'm sorry but it's just not even comparable. It's like the difference between the pressure of playing in the championship Vs the PL. In the championship there is pressure, but it is far more local and players can handle it. Many of them couldn't handle it in the PL in front of a global audience, and certainly not at United. They literally have millions of people talking about them every day, they're all over the news in most countries with performances analysed by everyone. It's the same for the manager too, especially in the current climate.

The Eredivisie is a small league and, whilst there is pressure on Ajax within Netherlands, that's the extent of it. Compare that to United and it's just not the same.

For comparison, I bet most football fans couldn't name the first 11 of Ajax. That is how little attention they get outside of their own country.

 

[croadyman]

They should not be calling the shots on who is the next manager. I do worry that Fergie's love for Pochettino will be a telling factor

 

[croadyman]

The players just want another manager that'll put up with their bullshit

Would steer clear of any player preferences given where that's gotten us over the years...

Yeah just looking for an easy ride yet again the bunch of entitled primadonnas

 

[Greck]

I'm sure they don't know how they fit into ETH's high intelligence football. Also been telling people it's some of our favourite first teamers leaking these rumours. The ones who know they'll be here next season but people go after the easy targets.

 

[MUFC OK]

Why is everyone taking what they read in the media at face value???? This is nothing to do with the players bar maybe one, who was explicitly mentioned.

 

[Caesar2290]

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I'm sorry but it's just not even comparable. It's like the difference between the pressure of playing in the championship Vs the PL. In the championship there is pressure, but it is far more local and players can handle it. Many of them couldn't handle it in the PL in front of a global audience, and certainly not at United. They literally have millions of people talking about them every day, they're all over the news in most countries with performances analysed by everyone. It's the same for the manager too, especially in the current climate.

The Eredivisie is a small league and, whilst there is pressure on Ajax within Netherlands, that's the extent of it. Compare that to United and it's just not the same.

For comparison, I bet most football fans couldn't name the first 11 of Ajax. That is how little attention they get outside of their own country.

Is it now? While the PL is more popular and the press is vicious the Dutch media are no slouches either. Right now one of their talking points is ETH's accent. He has a "thicker" accent which made the media go after him and even imply that he was a country bumpkin.

Coming to United and PL is an upgrade, but let's not pretend that this is Madrid and Barcelona. Currently we have Klopp here who managed at low expectation Dortmund and Tuchel who again managed at Dortmund and PSG. They seem to be doing very good with no PL experience to speak of before coming here. So I fail to see how ETH won't be able to make the step up.

Actually our 2 biggest flops in Moyes and Ole both had PL experience before getting the job, so that is a moot point.

 

[Amadaeus]

I'm sure they don't know how they fit into ETH's high intelligence football. Also been telling people it's some of our favourite first teamers leaking these rumours. The ones who know they'll be here next season but people go after the easy targets.

Ralf football isn’t high intelligence football? Tuchel, and Klopp praised our appointment of Ralf. And many said he had a great philosophy, which I agree. But as seen, you need more than just philosophy, you also need emotional intelligence. Ten hag is still an unknown and it is hard to say whether professional footballer will find his man management abilities ideal for them. His philosophy might be high intelligence as you put it, but if he can’t handle ego or managers players expectation, he will fail when going to a bigger stage. After 10 years without a trophy, I don’t know if ten hag is worth that risk ahead of Pochettino who has experience with implementing a high intelligence philosophy in the premier league and at psg, while also known for handling big egos and managing/improving players development.

 

[mav_9me]

Why is everyone taking what they read in the media at face value???? This is nothing to do with the players bar maybe one, who was explicitly mentioned.

It's basically a brief.

 

[mav_9me]

If the players want Poch it's even more obvious ETH is the answer.

Players are spineless babies and want coddled.

Does Poch have a reputation for indulging players from his time at Spurs and Espanyol?

 

[Tarrou]

Woody was the guy at United who loved briefing

It isn't necessarily a brief, but could be

sometimes journalists just get together and decide to write the same shit

 

[Infra-red]

The players wanting Pochettino is the strongest argument yet that Ten Hag is the better choice for the job.

This lot need a kick up the backside.

 

[Greck]

Ralf football isn’t high intelligence football? Tuchel, and Klopp praised our appointment of Ralf. And many said he had a great philosophy, which I agree. But as seen, you need more than just philosophy, you also need emotional intelligence. Ten hag is still an unknown and it is hard to say whether professional footballer will find his man management abilities ideal for them. His philosophy might be high intelligence as you put it, but if he can’t handle ego or managers players expectation, he will fail when going to a bigger stage. After 10 years without a trophy, I don’t know if ten hag is worth that risk ahead of Pochettino who has experience with implementing a high intelligence philosophy in the premier league and at psg, while also known for handling big egos and managing/improving players development.

Ralf is also high intelligence football and that's why the likes of Rashford and Greenwood were looking like fishes out of water. By contrast Sancho is going from strength to strength. ETH's football however is next level technical intelligence. A lot of these players will have their days numbered the second ETH steps foot on a plane here.

 

[DRJosh]

Ok maybe there's pressure to win with style but you're absolutely crazy if you think the pressure at Ajax is anywhere near the levels at Utd. The quality in the Eredivisie is nowhere near to the Premier League. It's easy for a well coached team to win with style when their squad is better than all the others in the league. There are at least 3 teams with better squads than Utd in the Premier League (I think you could argue more). If you want evidence of the pressure at Utd, just go and check the threads before the start of this season and the amount of people expecting us to win the league or at the very least challenge. The idea of not getting top 4 was unthinkable and 90% of the forum was seeing 4th as a failure. Now most would be delighted if we managed to get 4th. Start of next season expectations will go right back up like they do every season.

I'd like to think that we've learnt our lesson after being burnt far too many times. A top 3 finish next season would be an improvement as the team consolidates their learnings from Ralf and adapts to the new manager.

 

[King Kendrick]

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I'm sorry but it's just not even comparable. It's like the difference between the pressure of playing in the championship Vs the PL. In the championship there is pressure, but it is far more local and players can handle it. Many of them couldn't handle it in the PL in front of a global audience, and certainly not at United. They literally have millions of people talking about them every day, they're all over the news in most countries with performances analysed by everyone. It's the same for the manager too, especially in the current climate.

The Eredivisie is a small league and, whilst there is pressure on Ajax within Netherlands, that's the extent of it. Compare that to United and it's just not the same.

For comparison, I bet most football fans couldn't name the first 11 of Ajax. That is how little attention they get outside of their own country.

You’re conflating between media and board pressure. I have no doubts United has far more eyes watching and that brings its own pressure, but at board level it’s not even close. Ajax will sack if you don’t win pretty whilst playing youth. Here… you can lose to your two biggest rivals 7-0 on aggregate in consecutive weeks and still keep your job.

 

[Tarrou]

The players wanting Pochettino is the strongest argument yet that Ten Hag is the better choice for the job.

This lot need a kick up the backside.

Pochettino is known for working his teams really hard though

he had Southampton running the most in the league

 

[pratyush_utd]

If Players want him, then stay clear. I dont even want him but these lot dont deserve any voice in picking next manager. Do opposite of what they want.

Rangnick backs ETH according to report. If we end up with Poch, we know player power has taken over the club for sure. Would choose anyone but Poch just to say feck you to players

 

[Tarrou]

If Players want him, then stay clear. I dont even want him but these lot doesn’t deserve any voice in picking next manager. Do opposite of what they want.

Rangnick backs ETH according to report. If we end up with Poch, we know player power has taken over the club for sure. Would choose anyone but Poch just to say feck you to players

I don't really understand this logic

So if our first choice was ETH and the players wanted him too, we should avoid him?

I don't see how the players wanting a manager is a negative. They shouldn't get to decide, that goes without saying. But if we decide someone is the best guy for the job and the players also want him, that's definitely not a bad thing

 

[pratyush_utd]

I don't really understand this logic

So if our first choice was ETH and the players wanted him too, we should avoid him?

I don't see how the players wanting a manager is a negative. They shouldn't get to decide, that goes without saying. But if we decide someone is the best guy for the job and the players also want him, that's definitely not a bad thing

But they dont. I would seriously consider my choice in that case. As things are right now, Poch is not my first choice. This makes it even more concrete.

I have said earlier, ETH gives me SAF vibes before he mellowed down a little. No wonder players dont favour him. Makes the choice of ETH make more sense since players are not really “warm” to his selection.


Is this logical way to appoint new manager? No absolutely not. I was already in ETH camp and this makes me even more sure that we should get him. I am sorry if it doesn’t make sense. In terms of ETH credentials, many good poster have already mentioned what he brings to the table.

Edit : It also mentions that Rangnick is an admirer of ETH. Why appoint RR if we dont listen to him?

 

[Tarrou]

But they dont. I would seriously consider my choice in that case. As things are right now, Poch is not my first choice. This makes it even more concrete.

I have said earlier, ETH gives me SAF vibes before he mellowed down a little. No wonder players dont favour him. Makes the choice of ETH make more sense since players are not really “warm” to his selection.


Is this logical way to appoint new manager? No absolutely not. I was already in ETH camp and this makes me even more sure that we should get him. I am sorry if it doesn’t make sense. In terms of ETH credentials, many good poster have already mentioned what he brings to the table.

yeah I think ETH is the best choice, and I'm fully in favour of going against what the players want (if true) in this instance

but it has nothing to do with going against them, and everything to do with who I think the best man for the job is

if the players wanted ETH too, why exactly would that be a bad thing?

I don't think it's going to help us get ETH if he knows the players want someone else

 

[sglowrider]

I'd like to think that we've learnt our lesson after being burnt far too many times. A top 3 finish next season would be an improvement as the team consolidates their learnings from Ralf and adapts to the new manager.

You realise that we will probably need to replace Pogba, get a new DM and possibly a prolific striker? I doubt if we can get them all in one summer -- if we are lucky, within two summer windows.

So during this re-build, if we get top 3 we will have been pretty lucky.

 

[wise_old_man]

If Players want him, then stay clear. I dont even want him but these lot dont deserve any voice in picking next manager. Do opposite of what they want.

Rangnick backs ETH according to report. If we end up with Poch, we know player power has taken over the club for sure. Would choose anyone but Poch just to say feck you to players

What if we hired Ten Hag and the players decided to down-tool to kick him out? That's the risk of taking a tough manager whom the players do not fancy. And we know our board don't have the guts to flush out so many players at once. It's always the manager who takes the chopping block.

 

[ti vu]

What if we hired Ten Hag and the players decided to down-tool to kick him out? That's the risk of taking a tough manager whom the players do not fancy. And we know our board don't have the guts to flush out so many players at once. It's always the manager who takes the chopping block.

Then Rangnick take over a second interim and rid more rebel and look again for new permanent manager.

It can happen to other the players preferred candidates too. They can like him now because they don't like the others now, but doesn't mean them wouldn't come to hate him later for whatever reason.

The way it should be is not indulging the players with power to pick the managers. They're here to work toward the club's ambition. So do it professionally. If they can't do that, show them the door.

And the board need fixing, and get called out for their gutless approach. The board is also important to help set up the culture at the club. If the board don't pull their weight, it's impossible for any managers to succeed. We have been promised a change in the club structure, they should show the result of their work.
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[pratyush_utd]

yeah I think ETH is the best choice, and I'm fully in favour of going against what the players want (if true) in this instance

but it has nothing to do with going against them, and everything to do with who I think the best man for the job is

if the players wanted ETH too, why exactly would that be a bad thing?

I don't think it's going to help us get ETH if he knows the players want someone else

Half of this squad is worthless anyway. If ETH is not backed by players ( or Poch if comes), i wont mind if he burns this squad to ground.

 

[DRJosh]

You realise that we will probably need to replace Pogba, get a new DM and possibly a prolific striker? I doubt if we can get them all in one summer -- if we are lucky, within two summer windows.

So during this re-build, if we get top 3 we will have been pretty lucky.

That’s a good point. I’m hoping Ralf and the board have already identified their Pogba replacement and a striker. They have had some time now to think about it. 2 additions in the next window would do us nicely

 

[sglowrider]

I doubt if the news report is even accurate. I doubt if many of the players are football junkies that they understand different managers' philosophies or management styles unless they are sure the manager is coming to United. Only then would they google. They have much busier social lives than to google, read up on such stuff than 99% of us fans.
Can you imagine Lingard reading up on different managers and their philosophies? I doubt it.

Only player I can imagine would be Ander Hererra.

 

[Tarrou]

Half of this squad is worthless anyway. If ETH is not backed by players ( or Poch if comes), i wont mind if he burns this squad to ground.

this was my question

if the players wanted ETH too, why would this be a bad thing?

 

[sglowrider]

That’s a good point. I’m hoping Ralf and the board have already identified their Pogba replacement and a striker. They have had some time now to think about it. 2 additions in the next window would do us nicely

I doubt if we will have the budget to go for a Pogba replacement and a striker -- that's got to be £150M in a window? Or thereabouts?

Besides, I think the DM position would be more critical -- and I suspect it was the priority until Ronaldo came onto the market and fecked out plans up. This is unless Jimmy Garner suddenly takes a quantum leap forward in the next few months and over the summer pre-season sessions.

 

[Kaos]

We really need Madrid to humiliate PSG, or can someone dig up some racist tweets made by Poch. The thought of such a lame duck of a manager being appointed only to inevitably sack him in 2-3 years while ETH is available is sickening. Our soft players can feck off with who they want, half of them need to be shown the door anyway.

 

[sglowrider]

We really need Madrid to humiliate PSG, or can someone dig up some racist tweets made by Poch. The thought of such a lame duck of a manager being appointed only to inevitably sack him in 2-3 years while ETH is available is sickening. Our soft players can feck off with who they want, half of them need to be shown the door anyway.

'That only builds your ego': Mauricio Pochettino dismisses importance of winning trophies as Tottenham boss insists top four is the priority

Good enough? He's a spursy manager. Not one that should be in a club that demands trophies.

 

[bosnian_red]

Don't give a feck about what certain players (likely Shaw and whoever he could convince) would want... it's Ten Hag all the way. If not Then Hag, I'd really prefer Rangnick to stay. Just don't rate Pochettino that much and think his time has passed already. Ten Hag has the potential to be in that elite tier of managers. Pochettino is decent but that's his limit.

 

[Alvaro Maestre]

Pochetino playing shit with the team he has and within the French league should be enough to stay away...

 

[Greck]

Now torn whether I want ETH to spite the team or Poch to spite redcafe. On a more serious note they are both good, stop the whining. So many hadn't even uttered the words "Ten Haag" before September 2021 and now he's suddenly a do or die messiah.