Ragnicks role is to advice on the new hiring and plan going forward. He isnt going to be involved in decisionmaking. His role is that of a consultant.
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Ragnicks role is to advice on the new hiring and plan going forward. He isnt going to be involved in decisionmaking. His role is that of a consultant.
I worry about Rangnick's future role as well but this isn't exactly the worst rationale either.
if he is the choice yep, and it's same type of move this club has been making post Fergie. One man running the club and making all the decisions, I would half expect them to get rid of the director of football, technical director.
I absolutely hate the “Premier League experience” line of thought. It’s a load of bollocks for the most part and gets wheeled out constantly when it come to potential new player and manager signings. Steve Bruce has premier league experience and is available maybe we should go for him then? I’m not having a go at you by the way, more just venting my frustration because that’s what our board will mostly likely do unfortunately.
The thing is the Premier league experience line does count for something. For instance Ralf Rangnick was surprised by both Norwich and Newcastle in our recent games saying something along the lines of 'they didn't play like bottom sides' because realistically they would be mid table sides in all the other major European leagues. They are no free hits, especially away from home. L.V.G was also equally surprised by just how difficult all the away games are in th PL, even Pep and Klopp took time to get used to the intensity and the quality of the league.
Having someone that knows that every game is proper scrap in the PL and having to balance that with the European games mid-week there's no resting your big hitters to make sure there fit for the big European game in mid-week in the PL.
They most likely are, especially given that Santi Aouna of Foot Mercato has been pushing United's name himself in his articles.
With that said, United's activity in the winter transfer window seems to indicate that Poch is most likely at the top of the shortlist. Wherever Poch has been, he's disliked teams bringing in players without his input and final approval, and more often than not, he'd either not/barely use the players who were brought in without his input (Janssen at Spurs) or use them in an unexpected manner (Danilo at PSG).
I think we'd have made moves for incoming signings if we prioritised any of ten Hag, Lopetegui, Rodgers, Amorim, or Rangnick over Poch. The aforementioned managers tend to be more willing to work with the players at their disposal rather than demand for very particular players. Overall, Poch is more like Conte in that regard.
it's not that straightforward, his post-manager role hasn't actually been defined. All that is sorted is he will be in an advisory role but it could be anything from a very prestigious internal advisor to the board to an external consultant with zero influence.
All those sudden reports that Poch and Ten Hag are on a 5 man shortlist make ma laugh. Yeah no shit, give me the other 3 or I dont believe you have any insider knowledge at all.
My bet is Rooney is in there
Ornstein already gave 4 of them a few weeks ago - Enrique, Poch, Lopetegui and ETH. The fifth would be Rodgers presumably.
While he has an impressive CV, it makes more sense to give him some time to prove himself instead of handing an outsider a great deal of control. People need to temper their expectations.
This club will never learn will they
Going for the cheap easy option as usual
I find Poch uninspiring, both as a character and the way his teams play. He gives the vibe of someone down on his luck, working instead of enjoying what he does
plus he looks like Russell Crowe
ETH, you can feel the energy coming off him, even in interviews. 1st choice by some distance for me.
I'd be more at ease with this if our technical director wasn't an u16 coach that hadn't yet gotten his coaching badges. Any outsider with a half decent CV is better than that. At the very least I want him to be whatever Phelan is still doing at this club. Might as well have kept Ole on the transfer committee.
Nah you are just overthinking it Pochettino may very well be our top target for Manager but us Signing no one in January had nothing to do with it.
It's less that I don't (or didn't) rate Poch and more the sense he's yesterday's man, whereras ETH despite being a couple of years older is just about to make the step up to a big club.
If we're imagining which manager could actually implement a style of football on par with that of City and Liverpool, ETH seems the more likely. Because while Poch is more "proven" in some ways, that also means we've seen enough of his teams to know the football he gets them playing doesn't really stack up to those heights imo.
If we're imagining which manager could actually implement a style of football on par with that of City and Liverpool, ETH seems the more likely. Because while Poch is more "proven" in some ways, that also means we've seen enough of his teams to know the football he gets them playing doesn't really stack up to those heights imo.
I hope this is ok to ask being a newbie, but for those who voted ETH over Poch - why do you prefer him to come to OT? Genuinely interested as I don’t watch any Dutch football.
Perhaps, but I don't get why we'd be so accommodating to a new manager when 4 out of the 5 in the shortlist aren't too picky about their players. All of them will have a say for sure, but they'll also be willing to trust their directors and give other players a chance. That's not what I've seen from Poch, though.
I think it'll fundamentally come down to which manager is the more likely to get the best out of our current personal with very few incomings and out goings.
I can actually see United looking at this but obviously not this summer. Keep Rangnick as manager for a year or 2, which has been rumoured and then see how Wayne is doing in 2 years.
...whilst (and this part is crucial) not moaning too much about it.
The last thing they will want is another Mourinho, complaining publicly that the club has over promised and under delivered re transfers.
I can remember reading on here that it was exactly Rangnick who advised the board not to buy players this window that aren't meant for the long term. Maybe they refrained from buying in line with his judgement? It doesn't always have to be controversy and shambles, you know, maybe there's nothing to see here.
This club will never learn will they
If this is true, I might be done with this football thing.
Honestly, if you're "done with this football thing" because the club you support hires Mauricio Pochettino, a pretty much universally highly rated manager and just objectively speaking a perfectly fine and acceptable choice for such a position, I don't think you're a huge loss to the sport.
Poch will be safe and cheaper choice. Has proven record in EPL.
But i will be underwhelmed and have a feeling we will be discussing here on missing out on ETH who will most likely go to one of our rivals.
But i will be underwhelmed and have a feeling we will be discussing here on missing out on ETH who will most likely go to one of our rivals.
Poch would be super underwhelming. But then, ETH could easily bomb in the Premier league. Feeling a bit pessimistic but it really doesn't feel like we're necessarily going to get it right this time either.
The foundation and stability of Manchester United is key and at the moment there's still major doubts there.
Heck, even Potter would be wary taking the job.
Heck, even Potter would be wary taking the job.
I agree. It feels like the Mourinho appointment which was a couple years too late. His recent seasons have been major disappointments. I know that PSG squad is hard to manage but how do you fail to win the league with PSG ? That should be given for any PSG manager. Not to mention this twice the squad has lost faith in him. It happened at the end of his spurs tenure and now with PSG.
It doesn't inspire me with confidence that he can fix the mess that's going on at UTD. He won't be walking in with a position of strength where the players immediately respect him. And personality wise I would have preferred someone whose a little stronger.
Maybe we are both wrong and he does well. But there's a saying the best predictor of future success is past success.
I can't even begin to express my sadness and disdain if we do in fact make the tedious, predictable and tired decision of hiring Poch
Ajax's Pep Guardiola is my idol would actually get me so excited and hopeful for the future, while Poch does the exact opposite.
Ajax's Pep Guardiola is my idol would actually get me so excited and hopeful for the future, while Poch does the exact opposite.
Give me a break. "universally highly rated manager"... Where do you get that shit from? He's widely regarded as a decent, but nothing spectacular as a manager. Would you be so fine with Poch if Bayern were concerned? Wouldn't think so. Why should we be happy with such an uninspiring option? Even if Ten Hag spectacularly fails here, I would be happy knowing we tried. But with Poch, we've just given up from the get go.
Poch will likely be coming in as Lique 1 Champion.
So he bloody should as PSG manager!
So he can't win , even when he does ?
Oh with PSG? That's like winning the league with Bayern as your credentials. Even I could probably do it.
Would I be fine? Yes. (Pochettino was approached by our board before Kovac by the way).
And even if I'd be disappointed and if I'd have had preferred another choice (I'd go for Ten Hag too, though arguably Ten Hag is a more natural fit at Bayern than at United), I'd definitively not throw hyperbolic tantrums like being 'done with football'.
I don't know what winning the league with PSG means in terms of him winning the league with us to be honest, its just such a different situation. I'd focus more on how PSG play, how things go in Europe, and the general feeling around him. They're binning him off soon. So yeah. True PSG also binned off Tuchel, but he's another class to Poch in my opinion, in many different ways.
Maybe you won't throw such "hyperbolic" statements because Poch would win the title with Bayern anyway. But for a United fan, it's not that simple. We've been through Mourinho, Jose, Ole, Moyesy playing disastrous anti-football. To have to witness another such manager would indeed be it for me. Again, it's not about Poch himself, it's about the clubs' ambitious, vision for the future and where it wants to go. Poch is more of the same, Ten Hag would be an actual statement, regardless of how well he does or not. That is what I want to see from this club. Some backbone and a plan.
In a way, I've already lost my passion for football with how commercialized and money oriented it has become, this would just be the final straw for me. Might as well have kept Ole or Rangnick for that matter.
Maybe Ten Hag has no interest in joining? Plus anyone coming in is destined to fail under this leadership, maybe they see Pochettino as the easiest puppet to control. At the end of the day top 4 is all that matters and anyone decent should get us that.
Ten Hag does look like a top manager in the making, so it would be a shame to not get him if he is open to it.
Hopefully we find out one way or the other as soon as the season ends and not after some long drawn out summer saga.
Ten Hag does look like a top manager in the making, so it would be a shame to not get him if he is open to it.
Hopefully we find out one way or the other as soon as the season ends and not after some long drawn out summer saga.
Hes won nothing with one of the best squads in the world - no thanks
He joined half way into the season after Tuchel got sacked. You don't sack your mamager if the team is in a good place.
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