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[Hansi Fick]

Maybe you won't throw such "hyperbolic" statements because Poch would win the title with Bayern anyway. But for a United fan, it's not that simple. We've been through Mourinho, Jose, Ole, Moyesy playing disastrous anti-football. To have to witness another such manager would indeed be it for me. Again, it's not about Poch himself, it's about the clubs' ambitious, vision for the future and where it wants to go. Poch is more of the same, Ten Hag would be an actual statement, regardless of how well he does or not. That is what I want to see from this club. Some backbone and a plan.

In a way, I've already lost my passion for football with how commercialized and money oriented it has become, this would just be the final straw for me. Might as well have kept Ole or Rangnick for that matter.

Think I just have a very different recollection of Pochettino's Spurs. I remember them playing pretty good football. Not quite good enough in league matchups with Pep (though he did manage to kick him out of CL, like he did to Ten Hag's hugely hyped Ajax...), but surely not "disastrous anti-football". At times, top class, high intensity transition stuff. Organized, powerful, consistently getting points. Like a rich man's Rangnick, if I may say so.
It's really strange to me how strongly and thoroughly the memories of his impressive Spurs days seem to have faded with so many.

 

[Greck]

Hes won nothing with one of the best squads in the world - no thanks

Also untrue.The misinformation in this thread about Poch's time there is becoming something else. Do people just not realise they don't have to make up stuff to say they don't fancy a manager?

 

[Greck]

The current CL holding manager was on pace to be knocked out of the CL group stage with PSG if we didn't bottle that group. He also wasn't walking the french league like Poch is proving. Just say "I don't think he's right for us" because doubting his credentials is foolish. If he wins the french league 1 he would have won every trophy in France in only a little over 12 months. What the hell are these people talking about?

Do people know in his time there his lowest finish in all competitions is a semifinal (CL). Every other trophy he has "bottled" has been lost in the finals.

 

[Caesar2290]

The current CL holding manager was on pace to be knocked out of the CL group stage with PSG if we didn't bottle that group. He also wasn't walking the french league like Poch is proving. Just say "I don't think he's right for us" because doubting his credentials is foolish. If he wins the french league 1 he would have won every trophy in France in only a little over 12 months. What the hell are these people talking about?

Do people know in his time there his lowest finish in all competitions is a semifinal (CL). Every other trophy he has "bottled" has been lost in the finals.

Personally I think people just don't like the football that his PSG side displays when compared to Ten Hag's Ajax, hence they are trying to use "stats" against him.

Not a fan of Poch simply because of how many times he had the opportunity to win a trophy, yet he did an Ole and bottled it. The biggest example of this was when he faced of against Jose(who was managing us at the time) in the FA cup semis. His Spurs side produced a typical semi-final/final Ole performance, decent yet toothless.

And that is my main gripe with Poch. The man is just not an inspiring candidate. He went on record to say that he values Top4 more than an FA cup. While from a pragmatic standpoint of view, that makes sense. Winning trophies is something you're expected to do at Top clubs. Compare that to Ten Hag who literally said his team is playing to win every trophy, you only get 48 hours of celebrating before you have to focus on winning the next one, and you will understand why a lot of people just have a dislike for Poch. It's his mentality.

As for Tuchel, let's not forget that he reached the CL final the year prior to his sacking. Then he went off the boil and had a Mourinho like meltdown, and inspite of that he was still just 1 point off the top of league and scraped past the group stages of the CL. When you compare that to Poch who literally had Spurs midtable after his CL final, it's not as bad as it sounds all of the sudden.

 

[Robertd0803]

We will end up with Pochettino because PSG will have given him the boot and we wont have to pay anything. While we will with Ajax.

 

[Stookie]

It doesn’t matter which manager we get. I don’t think of them will be able to sort this shit show out.

 

[Greck]

Compare that to Ten Hag who literally said his team is playing to win every trophy, you only get 48 hours of celebrating before you have to focus on winning the next one, and you will understand why a lot of people just have a dislike for Poch. It's his mentality.

As for Tuchel, let's not forget that he reached the CL final the year prior to his sacking. Then he went off the boil and had a Mourinho like meltdown, and inspite of that he was still just 1 point off the top of league and scraped past the group stages of the CL. When you compare that to Poch who literally had Spurs midtable after his CL final, it's not as bad as it sounds all of the sudden.

I'm sure you already know but Ajax and PSG are not to be compared with Tottenham. Those parallels are clumsy at best. PSG and Tottenham especially might as well be polar opposites. Not doing an analogy where we compare their respective manager's tenures and sackings like they had the same backing and rational expectations. PSG is literally Poch's first time at a top club in any league and he might complete every trophy in the country in basically a year.

I also don't put much emphasis on PSG's play. Ten Haag wouldn't be playing Ajax football at PSG either.

optional edit but imo PSG will never have trophy consistency as long as they have individualistic play. They're asking managers who don't know that style to play that way. Imagine bringing Pep and not having him play his way completely. Perhaps this is why Zidane might be a better fit but I wouldn't be surprised if he also flops bad.

 

[TenonTen]

Should get Tuchel in case he's fired from Chelsea.

Can't see many better options than that!!

Good man manager, Tactically Versatile, Winning experience, Speaks well and "PL Proven".

 

[VidaRed]

I bet half the people that voted for poch was because ten hag was clearly not coming mid season while the likelihood of poch coming was higher we were at a bad place then.

Even rodgers was a improvement on ole then ffs.

 

[VidaRed]

It's nonsensical and is the same mindset behind why PL players cost so much more than foreign players even though foreign players can be just as good if not better in many cases.

You're correct that the best managers in the league currently had zero PL experience before being hired and so did Fergie but ironically, current United most likely wouldn't have even taken a chance on an 'unproven in England' manager from the Scottish league

Mourinho would've never been given a chance with Chelsea and neither would Rafa with Liverpool or Wenger with Arsenal by that arbitrary reasoning

The premier league title has NEVER* been won by a manager who was already "PL Proven" when he was signed by a club that went onto win the league.

Its a bunch of bollocks that gets perpetuated here.

*I'm ignoring the leister season because that was a one off anyways that happens at best once a century.

 

[George The Best]

Going for the cheap easy option as usual

I find Poch uninspiring, both as a character and the way his teams play. He gives the vibe of someone down on his luck, working instead of enjoying what he does

plus he looks like Russell Crowe

ETH, you can feel the energy coming off him, even in interviews. 1st choice by some distance for me.

Agree 100%

 

[Pickle85]

The premier league title has NEVER* been won by a manager who was already "PL Proven" when he was signed by a club that went onto win the league.

Its a bunch of bollocks that gets perpetuated here.

*I'm ignoring the leister season because that was a one off anyways that happens at best once a century.

What about mourinho winning with Chelsea a second time?

 

[Scott.Mct39]

Agree 100%

I agree to a degree but in my opinion where we are at with our club I think Poch might be the best option willing to come. Rodgers has managed Liverpool so that is a no for me. Why would Ten Haag want to come to United? He is at a club that is a well oiled machine and works well from top to bottom. That is the opposite of Man Utd at the moment in time. I see Ten Haag doing well at a club like Bayern but would struggle with United's lack of clear direction from the board and no clear DOF with major experience. Poch made it work at Spurs and I feel they are also a mess at times so maybe and I say MAYBE he can get us playing solid football while our board focuses on commercial deals and putting money into their pockets. That is the only reason I think Poch could be our next manager and why I see Ten Haag passing on the job.

 

[ti vu]

Poch will likely be coming in as Lique 1 Champion.

What if he gets the sack before the season end. Would that count? That's possible if PSG dumped out of CL early, while the mood keeps imploding with fans not happy with the football. Poch is not happy with Leonardo. Losing control of dressing room.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

I would be ok with both of them.

I like ETH, but really dont like how reluctant he is about rotation. Not sure that is an approach that would work in the PL.

Klopp seems to have managed it well with a much worse bench

 

[Red Dreams]

All this talk of Poch is sickening.
He looks a loser.

If he comes in, I give him two seasons before he is fired.

 

[Rightnr]

I was excited about Poch... in autumn of 2020...

I genuinely would rather we go for Potter because I don't see the fans giving enough time to Poch to get it right.

 

[Bastian]

It's hard not to hope that PSG fail terribly against Real with Zidane appointed shortly thereafter, just so this whole linkage ceases. It's not long ago we were strongly linked with Brendan Rodgers and people were honestly entertaining that as a non-catastrophic option. Thankfully the club form there has been so meh that the rumours seem to have vanished.

If Poch is appointed that would rather indicate that Rangnick's appointment was absolutely pointless, as it wouldn't be a coherent part of a long-term vision.

 

[Adnan]

 

[lex talionis]

I was never all that excited about Pochettino, but if he's the best of the lot that's available so be it.

 

[Someone]

Going for the cheap easy option as usual

I find Poch uninspiring, both as a character and the way his teams play. He gives the vibe of someone down on his luck, working instead of enjoying what he does

plus he looks like Russell Crowe

ETH, you can feel the energy coming off him, even in interviews. 1st choice by some distance for me.

Agreed.

 

[Infra-red]

All this talk of Poch is sickening.
He looks a loser.

If he comes in, I give him two seasons before he is fired.

That's probably true of whoever we appoint.

The United job is a poisoned chalice.

 

[DRJosh]

I remember the days when people were adamant that Poch was our sole saviour. How times have changed.

 

[Normandy]

The premier league title has NEVER* been won by a manager who was already "PL Proven" when he was signed by a club that went onto win the league.

Its a bunch of bollocks that gets perpetuated here.

*I'm ignoring the leister season because that was a one off anyways that happens at best once a century.

Mourinho's 2nd stint at Chelsea & Ranieri at Leicester. Obviously I get what you mean that Premier League experience does not matter, but the statement is not entirely true.

Premier League experience matters more for mid-table clubs.

 

[Red Dreams]

I think ten Hag is going to City.
If we cannot get someone with a proven record, I would be happy with Ralf.

 

[Thelongsleevesofblomqvist]

Mourinho's 2nd stint at Chelsea & Ranieri at Leicester. Obviously I get what you mean that Premier League experience does not matter, but the statement is not entirely true.

Premier League experience matters more for mid-table clubs.

Mourinhos second period was a bit ambigous though. I mean; I think he did well and winning the title is alwats a big achievment but this example also highlights the problem - Mourinhos career peak was in decline the second term. Ranieri also didnt manage to consilidate his sucess. I know you werent arguing against the example, but..

 

[Corwin]

I think ten Hag is going to City.

Guardiola has a contract until 2023. I doubt he will leave in the summer.
We should go after ten Hag!
Poch did not win any silverware in England, I'm not impressed by him in France too.

 

[Frank Grimes]

Would prefer Ten Hag. Unfortunately I reckon Ten Hag has Man City written all over his baldy head.

 

[B. Munich]

As for Tuchel, let's not forget that he reached the CL final the year prior to his sacking. Then he went off the boil and had a Mourinho like meltdown, and inspite of that he was still just 1 point off the top of league and scraped past the group stages of the CL. When you compare that to Poch who literally had Spurs midtable after his CL final, it's not as bad as it sounds all of the sudden.

Tuchel didn't have a Mourinho like meltdown at PSG at all. He got no problems with the dressing room or major problems with individual players.

His problem was the deteriorating relationship with PSG sporting director Leonardo. After Leonardo sold Thiago and Cavani against Tuchel's will without hiring any adequate replacements the relationship was destroyed beyond repair.

PSG started the league poorly, which wasn't a real surprise though. They had to play their first league 1 match only a week or so after the CL final. No preparation and no time to digest the final loss while the other clubs had around 5 to 6 months preparation due to the covid-19 break.
I'm pretty sure Tuchel would have won the League 1 again as at the time he got the sack they were only 1 point behind the league leaders

 

[Telsim]

Pochettino... This is what I was afraid of. We are finished.

 

[IRELANDUNITED]

Would prefer Ten Hag. Unfortunately I reckon Ten Hag has Man City written all over his baldy head.

If city win the CL under Pep before he leaves there really is nothing for ten Hag to achieve there that hasn’t been done already very recently. The challenge and lure of getting the biggest club in the world back to the very top would hugely appealing to any manager who believes he can do it.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

If city win the CL under Pep before he leaves there really is nothing for ten Hag to achieve there that hasn’t been done already very recently. The challenge and lure of getting the biggest club in the world back to the very top would hugely appealing to any manager who believes he can do it.

Unless we start acting like one, we aren't the biggest club in the world. Smaller clubs have shown more ambition than us. We used to be a big club who are stuck in the past.

More players/managers will be looking at us that way I feel. The club is rotten and it starts from the top.

 

[Frank Grimes]

If city win the CL under Pep before he leaves there really is nothing for ten Hag to achieve there that hasn’t been done already very recently. The challenge and lure of getting the biggest club in the world back to the very top would hugely appealing to any manager who believes he can do it.

Good point. We are certainly a more enticing prospect than we were when Fergie retired. I'm more worried that ETH has agreed to join city already though.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Going for the cheap easy option as usual

I find Poch uninspiring, both as a character and the way his teams play. He gives the vibe of someone down on his luck, working instead of enjoying what he does

plus he looks like Russell Crowe

ETH, you can feel the energy coming off him, even in interviews. 1st choice by some distance for me.

How can one be surprised at this point. We will set a few years furthur apart every now and then as these useless owners keep making idiotic decisions.

I hope the rumors are false but its the hope that kills you.

 

[ManchesterManchester]

Surely Poch would be like Mourinho all over again. Not the same style of football but we don’t want a manager who has already peaked. For once can we get a manager who is on the up and hungry

 

[Judas]

We hire Poch it just seems obvious we'll once again be looking at our rivals with envy as they make better managerial appointments.

 

[mitchmouse]

Something inside me tells me that Poch just isn't the right man (maybe it's because he seems to be the board's only choice, other than that I don't really know why.

It's true that he isn't a proven winner and I don't think he was that marvellous at Spurs. If i was a straight choice between him and ten Hag, I'd go with the latter (and beg VDS to come with him) but this time I want to see the club interview a number of candidates and then pick the best one rather than the "this is our man" approach which has been consistently wrong over the past decade

 

[Red00012]

We’ll get Poch as it will suit the board because he’ll be sacked from PSG and Ten Hag will take over City in 12 months.

 

[Green Arrow]

We hire Poch it just seems obvious we'll once again be looking at our rivals with envy as they make better managerial appointments.

I've resigned myself that it will be Pochettino in the summer he will be the safest option. There is no ambition to actually win any titles, only to get into the top 4 from these owners.

 

[RatPack]

I do not see ETH coming. He is in a great project and in 1-2 years he can get almost any job he wants.
In Man Utd there is simply too much missing to fix. He would need at least 2-3 summers of transfers to get even close to a winning team. And on top of that he will have to do it all alone as no one above him knows much.
And without CL next year it will not be possible to get the players he want. Only greedy lazy players will be available.

No get the cheapest manager on a short contract. They will all fail.