Poch won the French cup last year and hes walking the league now so that will probably be wrapped up too. Hed have done that and have familiarity with the PL at a younger age than Ten Hag.
Not sure why the CV is being used to discredit Poch here.
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Not sure why the CV is being used to discredit Poch here.
The Eredivisie is more competitive than Ligue 1 relatively, the rival are much better relatively and amass more points. PSG have lost more points than Ajax relatively and PSV lost far less than Nice, that's the difference.
The unbalance is also far less though Ajax is clearly the #1 in resources. The difference isnt that big as PSG and the rest.
I absolutely hate the “Premier League experience” line of thought. It’s a load of bollocks for the most part and gets wheeled out constantly when it come to potential new player and manager signings. Steve Bruce has premier league experience and is available maybe we should go for him then? I’m not having a go at you by the way, more just venting my frustration because that’s what our board will mostly likely do unfortunately.
I thought Poch extended his initial 18 month PSG contract to 2023? That wouldn’t make him a free agent this summer unless he gets sacked.
Poch needs to win the Champions League and beat some pretty tidy teams on the way to doing it to pull me around. The fact they got knocked out of the French Cup doesnt bother me… it’s the fact that the PSG team that took the field against Nice this week in the French Cup (including the subs brought on) could only muster 2 shots on target all game. It doesn’t sound convincing.
Poch needs to win the Champions League and beat some pretty tidy teams on the way to doing it to pull me around. The fact they got knocked out of the French Cup doesnt bother me… it’s the fact that the PSG team that took the field against Nice this week in the French Cup (including the subs brought on) could only muster 2 shots on target all game. It doesn’t sound convincing.
Poch also has quite some failures on his CV, more than ETH. But ETH hasnt managed on that level and for shorter.
So if given the choice between Ten Hag and Poch who are you taking?
He's supposedly been told he's being let go in the summer. Even if not true they'd almost certainly sack him unless he gets to the CL final at the very least.
Is Ten Hag supposed to lose points for PSV and Feyenoord? You can't pull clear if the opposition beats the rest as well.
He is dominating more than Poch when you look at goals scored, conceded, chance creation, ppg.
I think Poch's failures are far outweighed by the successes he's had as a coach. Not measured by silverware of course but just the impact and organization he's had at 3 clubs in different leagues, getting them to break records and consistently performing more often than not.
Ten Hag is my first choice but not for the CV reason. He is actually a bigger risk than Poch but I am really excited by his football so this is the reason moreso than one manager having better pedigree than the other.
I like Ten Hag, I really like Rangnick's football at least from how he explains it and how he showed at Leipzig (can't say I was old enough to remember his work at Hoffenheim/Shalke). So Poch is a 3rd choice for me - however he is still a strong candidate nonetheless.
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He's a good manager, but for me how he ended his Spurs tenure and how uninspiring his PSG side has been so far, both in terms of results and performances, cause quite a red flag.
You have made some fair points that this environment is far from his ideal, I think ours would be as well. I think Tuchel, Ancelotti, Blanc all did better than he is, I find it quite worrisome. But he did a very good job at Espanyol, Soton and Spurs which he can rely on.
Good old Brucey! Yeah bags of experience, sign him up haha. He can be player manager and organise our defence.I absolutely hate the “Premier League experience” line of thought. It’s a load of bollocks for the most part and gets wheeled out constantly when it come to potential new player and manager signings. Steve Bruce has premier league experience and is available maybe we should go for him then? I’m not having a go at you by the way, more just venting my frustration because that’s what our board will mostly likely do unfortunately.
No, they are not, it's just midtable dutch teams not being as good as midtable french teams.
Bayern is leading Bundesliga with a lesser gap than City in EPL, that doesn't mean that Bundesliga is more competitive than PL.
You are right about Ajax dominating but the gap not being as big as in France, but that's more on Ajax though...neither current PSV and Feyenoord are UCL level tbh.
I can guarantee that they aren't taking any advice from Rangnick if this is the line
Are you talking in absolute terms or relative terms?
The Bundesliga has one or two teams that are stable top 3 (Leipzig / Dortmund).
The Eredivisie has a stable top 3.
The French league is PSG and the rest with very few upsets.
PSV can easily keep winning, so its tougher to pull away. Such a team, the Ligue 1 doesnt have, and definitely not consistently.
Even if you look at most matches Ajax didnt win, there is a very different pattern to PSG's dropped points.
PSG has been a very minimal difference team this season, Ajax is usually the far better team, rarely concedes and score quite a lot. Those games where they still create an awful lot and fail to score, they lose/draw. It is a clear difference but keep looking at "points clear".
Do tell.
I absolutely hate the “Premier League experience” line of thought. It’s a load of bollocks for the most part and gets wheeled out constantly when it come to potential new player and manager signings. Steve Bruce has premier league experience and is available maybe we should go for him then? I’m not having a go at you by the way, more just venting my frustration because that’s what our board will mostly likely do unfortunately.
Agreed it’s a terrible argument that immediately discredits whoever tries to use that as a selling point in my eyes. Not to mention the three top fecking managers all had 0 prem experience beforehand currently.
This club will never learn will they
Ugh, are there no other clubs that want him? Juve? Back to Spurs? (Assuming Conte has a meltdown and leaves in the summer).
For once I'd like us to go out and grab an exciting, progressive manager instead of finding the most convenient option who's available and who's best days are behind them.
It's nonsensical and is the same mindset behind why PL players cost so much more than foreign players even though foreign players can be just as good if not better in many cases.
You're correct that the best managers in the league currently had zero PL experience before being hired and so did Fergie but ironically, current United most likely wouldn't have even taken a chance on an 'unproven in England' manager from the Scottish league
Mourinho would've never been given a chance with Chelsea and neither would Rafa with Liverpool or Wenger with Arsenal by that arbitrary reasoning
This club will never learn will they
So PSG are looking to sack him or move him on, and we are all in for him......makes total sense, would defo he our board
Well we know the club has had a thing for Pochettino for years now, we hire Ralf as an interim who is going to become a consultant and help recruit the next manager. Yet already we're apparently just going straight to Pochettino looking at these reports. They didn't need Ralf to come to that conclusion, sounds like they are already certain of it
The last time a PSG manager went to the PL he won the big ears
Somehow I fear we pay a big compensation for himSo PSG are looking to sack him or move him on, and we are all in for him......makes total sense, would defo he our board
Spur's end was really bad for sure. I was worried by this too but I think the squad was also in dire need of renewing. If you look back, he had to deal with the temporary stadium switch and he needed to work of spending that was a fraction of the sides above and sometimes even beneath him. I think only Klopp spent similar amounts and achieved more, which is fair play. Levy made the easier call and sacked one guy instead of overhauling the squad, but that was a mistake I feel.
I do not know who is in charge of Spur's buys but assuming it's not Poch solely - if we cant cred him with Toby, Trippier, Sissoko, Wanyama, Dembele etc. then we shouldn't discredit him for Lo Celso, Ndombele and some other wastes.
His PSG form, I don't know. To be honest I look cautiously upon that club even more so today than I did before. Blanc is too far back to draw comparisons, and Leonardo's existence is normally a problem for managers. As soon as he was hired, Tuchel had big problems and was sacked quickly.
Somehow I fear we pay a big compensation for him
Yep cert we pay full whack and be back to square one in 2 years time I've no doubt
Thank god the links are from the Mirror. I would worry if it was a story from The Athletic or any of the broadsheets like Times, Guardian etc
So you will only not be piffed if the club introduces the next manager as "the best guy we can get after Erik Ten Hag rejected us"?
Now accepting applications for the Pochettino cult.
...and don't forget lads, you can't judge a manager till he has bought 11 first teamers and been backed with several galactico signings. Before then all evidence about their long term suitability must be discarded. It's only fair.
...and don't forget lads, you can't judge a manager till he has bought 11 first teamers and been backed with several galactico signings. Before then all evidence about their long term suitability must be discarded. It's only fair.
I would be ok with both of them.
I like ETH, but really dont like how reluctant he is about rotation. Not sure that is an approach that would work in the PL.
I like ETH, but really dont like how reluctant he is about rotation. Not sure that is an approach that would work in the PL.
The article in the Times today by Paul Hirst, completely contradicts what McDonnel in the Mirror is reporting. Hirst is saying that Arnold is distancing himself from the football side of the club and has left the search for a new head coach with Murtough and Fletcher.
This club will never learn will they
I think DM is just making trying to create a headline off the back of the France article.
Well I personally think if Zidane wanted to be with us he would have been here already.
Then I think about Luis Enrique who is going to be busy with the World Cup.
So I do kind of think Pochettino is the second best that maybe available after ten hag even if I don't really want him.
The other options are gambles like Potter or the Sporting Lisbon manager that's been mentioned. Can't really see who else is available and able to manage us too.
Anyone who watched Poch on a regular basis: how is he with youth integration? How often does he promote and play the players from the academy? Youth management wise, is he closer to LvG or Mourinho?
He was reluctant. This season he has been rotating his squad so much better.
You can throw in the Nice French manager and Gallardo as wildcards. At a 1000/1 odds maybe Hassenhutl
How reluctant is he about rotation?
Telling you now, Rangnick will have no say in absolutely anything. Wasn't the point for him to help with these kinds of things
Nah most people have cooled down from Poch now. This will be two big periods in a row where he has achieved nothing with his teams. Why would he suddenly put it all together here.
The only real candidate is Ten Hag
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