The trouble with the Poch obsession is that it suggests that board have learnt absolutely nothing from the past. It suggests the focus on a 'name' manager who will miraculously solve all our problems. As opposed to building and putting in place a structure, a proper DoF (Ralf) and an exciting young manager (we have a target). That would lay foundations for us to challenge over the mid term.
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I very much wanted Poch a few years ago but I think there are better options for what we are said to be trying to do. A lower profile manager with a stronger identity would be my choice now. There are risks associated with that as well but I think that if we want to build a strong club for the future its the way to go.
If we get Poch, we should really hope that Klopp leaves Liverpool soon and that City will replace Guardiola badly. If not, we don't stand a chance with him. That's for sure.
I do think, we'd always make top 4 under him, which the board loves.
I do think, we'd always make top 4 under him, which the board loves.
Poch is the right man for the job
Unfortunately we’ve already chosen Arnold (knows nothing about football) so VDS option is gone
It was reported some time back that Spurs spoke to ETH but they thought he was not suitable for their managerial position. Or was it ETH who rejected them? Anyone knows what that story was and if it was Spurs who rejected him then why?
He signed his extension at Ajax almost immediately when that happened. Was a bit of a meme that this was ten Hag's ultimate rejection
I'm dreading the summer.
Having a manager come in at some stage around mid July, will end up like Moyes and we don't have plans in place to sign players etc.
Realistically we need to negotiate and confirm our new manager by May and work with him so that players can be approached and signed on July 1st and onwards, otherwise we will be screwed again.
Having a manager come in at some stage around mid July, will end up like Moyes and we don't have plans in place to sign players etc.
Realistically we need to negotiate and confirm our new manager by May and work with him so that players can be approached and signed on July 1st and onwards, otherwise we will be screwed again.
I liked what I'd seen from Poch up untill recently. But that PSG team are a complete chore to watch. Their performances remind me so much of Ole's United it's untrue. Patchy play, with individual brilliance.
The egos and self entitlement across the two clubs are similar and it's a huge red flag for me that he can't get the best out of those players within a clear system.
Also, by all accounts he doesn't particularly enjoy working with DOFs and wants full control over recruitment. We cannot hire another cult of a manager and bounce from one idea to the next.
For me, it's Ten Hag. He'll fit within the DOF model and is a manager on the rise. Otherwise, I'd either keep Ralf or hope Chelsea are mad enough to fire Tuchel. Who got far more out of PSG then Poch.
The egos and self entitlement across the two clubs are similar and it's a huge red flag for me that he can't get the best out of those players within a clear system.
Also, by all accounts he doesn't particularly enjoy working with DOFs and wants full control over recruitment. We cannot hire another cult of a manager and bounce from one idea to the next.
For me, it's Ten Hag. He'll fit within the DOF model and is a manager on the rise. Otherwise, I'd either keep Ralf or hope Chelsea are mad enough to fire Tuchel. Who got far more out of PSG then Poch.
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I would love the board to give ten hag a go and see if he can bring the style of Ajax here. I do think now the board have probably already offered it to Pocc. The fact he's leaving end of the season so no buying out of contract needed.
So it was spurs who rejected him?He signed his extension at Ajax almost immediately when that happened. Was a bit of a meme that this was ten Hag's ultimate rejection
Yes I expect we will sign manager mid July. Then in desperation we will bring in a couple of over the hill expensive players.
Wasn't Ole sacked from his last PL job before he got the gig at Utd? Wasn't Mourinho also sacked before he got the Utd job? Wasn't LVG sacked from his last club job before Utd? Just a thought, but maybe, for a change, we should consider getting a manager who doesn't have a track record of getting sacked.
Said manager will need to go on holiday first so he really only starts work in august.
No I meant it was ten Hag, and on top of that he signed an extension which could be interpreted like "never call me again"
Context matters. Most managers, even the successful ones have a 2-3 year cycle and then things start to go wrong. That is normal reality and there are very few exceptions to that rule. Pep and especially Klopp tend to stay longer, but when you look at Tuchel, Conte, Ancelotti, Mourinho, etc you will see that they all won a lot of titles and cups and nevertheless either were sacked or walked away, but didn't stay long term.
Poch's time at PSG should completely rule him out.
He's a bottler.
He's a bottler.
I'm sorry but how many managers don't get "sacked". The managers might be happy to leave but they are on contracts and the club has to sack them to replace them.
Almost all managers get sacked or at the very least leave at the end of their contract because things weren't working out. There really isn't a lot of difference between the two. The only managers who have avoided this that I can think of are Klopp and Pep. I don't think Bayern were that bothered about letting him leave either.
The truth is that its getting harder and harder for managers to spend long amounts of time at any particular club. Players have a huge amount of power and managers struggle to keep motivating the same players year after year in most cases. Its not necessarily an indication of a poor manager.
Maybe we should force the hand of the board this time.
The boner United's hierarchy have for Pochettino is seemingly an everlasting one.
Twitter is like the Mirror of Esired. You can think of any argument and it will show something to support it. DailyMail basing its article on tweets from a few twits is about as low as it gets on the credibility spectrum.
Feck the Daily Mail
But surely you would assume alot of fans want ETH over Pochettino, there would be more than a few tweets to confirm that. Especially considering Pochettino's exploits are all over social media from frustrated PSG fans and such as well.
@JPRouve, apologies if you've already answered this, but do you think Galtier at Nice is someone we should be looking at in summer?
They're the only ones to have reported who the fans want next as manager, instead of being spoon fed who the board want next as manager.
The board need to listen to the fans on the next appointment if they want the fans full backing. When was the last time the fans voice was heard?
Pochettino is very much not the answer to get us challenging for the PL & CL.
i don't think Galtier is looking for a new job any time soon.
It’s also a bias as you have a larger sample size from Poch to pick apart, while ETH has lesser exposure until he got to Ajax.
Its the Daily Mail but at the very least its generating some noise about the fans' distaste towards Poch. You'd think the club would have optics surrounding fan sentiment, especially around social media.
Anyway here's hoping Madrid spank Qatar FC so Poch becomes slightly less desirable.
I am desperate to see him manage us so even Daily Mail will do for now.
I dont know why but his no nonsense approach reminds me of SAF.
I can't believe we'd consider Poch and not give it to Rangnick permanently.
It has begun...
ten Haag is also contracted with Ajax until 2023.
Am I imagining it or Dele Alli declined abruptly under Pochettino? Also a player thanking a manager doesn't say much about that manager man management skills, many players loved Mourinho just ask the players he had during his prime at Inter or Chelsea. That's not to say that Pochettino isn't excellent in that department, maybe he is but the article is a bit weak.
I genuinely think we (fans) had some say in Rangnick appointment. There were multiple polls and debate across the internet and many fans were crying for us to make a hard reset with Ragnick. It was a good move in my opinion, but still it was a reactionary move from our incompetent board, regardless of their PR story how it was well-planned.
Maybe if we can create enough noise and pressure with journos (unintentional) help, we can push for ETH in the summer.
Not that I mind Poch though, I think he is a great coach and I wouldn't mind him here, but it really makes no sense if we appointed RR only to go for Poch again.
Maybe if we can create enough noise and pressure with journos (unintentional) help, we can push for ETH in the summer.
Not that I mind Poch though, I think he is a great coach and I wouldn't mind him here, but it really makes no sense if we appointed RR only to go for Poch again.
Right, then if it doesn't work, should the club blame the fans?
Rangnick was obviously a reactionary one, I dont think anyone from the club has come out and said it was in their plan to sack a manager midway and hire a interim? Which PR story are you referring to?
You do realise that John Murtough spent time with Rangnick and was impressed of the work he done at Red Bull. Its not that the club went on twitter to decide what manager to chose.
Firstly, twitter does not represent majority of the fan base, alot of the old school fans don't even have twitter.
That doesn't count because he won it first without any PL experience.
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I’ve been more and more underwhelmed by Poch since he’s taken the job at PSG. He has so far failed to deliver despite having one of the best squads in Europe. At this point I’d prefer Ten Hag or Enrique over Poch. Enrique has the World Cup, but we can let Rangnick continue and recommend signings that would suit Enrique’s style and tactics. The club however will go the easy route and hire Poch.
I would rather stick with Rangnick than go for Pochettino. Really wouldn't be against another year under Ralf and getting Ten Haag the following season.
You realize that Rangnick has only won a single trophy as manager? Rangnick is more of a club builder, he’s the perfect placeholder.
Agree, I dont understand the board's obsession with Poch when Ten Hag gives us the opprotunity to reset and rebuild properly across the whole club, working alongside Ralf. Poch may simply refuse to work with Ralf, in which case his 'consultant' contract is torn up and we go back to putting all our eggs in one basket, and seem surprised if it doesnt work out and we have an even more unbalanced and toxic squad
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