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Who should be the next permanent manager?

  • Luis Enrique

    Votes: 113 7.4%

  • Erik ten Hag

    Votes: 1,300 84.7%

  • Julen Lopetegui

    Votes: 10 0.7%

  • Mauricio Pochettino

    Votes: 79 5.1%

  • None of the above

    Votes: 32 2.1%
  • Total voters
    1,534
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We all know that our next manager will be Ten Hag.

Mustn't worry about conte going to Spurs.

I do think Solskjaer doesn't have what it takes to become a title winning manager with us but... Cmon now look at the backroom staff he has, They're awful.

Can't stand watching Carrick and Mckenna sit staring at iPads in game looking clueless whilst Norwich are slapping us 3 nil.

Imagine Sols had Fergies title winning backroom staff that Moyes murdered when he was appointed.
 
glazed said:
Klopp turned down Old Trafford precisely because he saw that it was a marketing and branding operation with a sideline in football. That's the whole problem.



Yes Woodward has the final say. Yes to Sancho, no to any DM Ole wanted. Pretty simple.
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Simple, can't be proven, and also makes no sense.
 
Levi1 said:
100% agree. The problem has not been thr Glazers for a very long time. Theyve spent as much as - if not more than - the state-owned clubs. The problem has been the coaches.

Edit: In fact, I think we now have the best squad in world football.
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The issue is that they don't know football, don't employ people below them that know football, and practice nepotism (fits in with the United fan base). They spend more than enough if they were competent enough to ditch Woodward 5 years ago for someone with a football brain from OUTSIDE the club. Instead they just keep promoting from within or give jobs to friends of friends. It's terrible. Not to mention they're the one picking and employing the coaches and always keeping them longer than they should. Jose should have been gone the moment they decided not to buy him those players before his third year as EVERYONE knew it was going to be toxic. LVG should have been gone that December (he won the FA Cup at least so wasn't the end of the world). Moyes is a difficult situation since he was supposedly chosen by SAF (again the level of truth of that is up in the air, he may have been what we were stuck with after missing out on better managers) but he probably should have been fired before top 4 was mathematically impossible. And then of course Ole. They never should have given him the job after a fluke win in Paris and certainly should have rethought the investment after we didn't finish top 4. Then Ole should have been fired last year after the horrific start or this year at the horrific start. They're afraid to make the tough decisions and be wrong so they always wait until the decision has to be made for them (not top 4) or the problem fixes itself (like Ole winning a few games). It's so reactive that it's pathetic and you can tell they're not really good businessmen but just reap the benefits that their family had earned generation(s) earlier and rake in free cash.
 
RUCK4444 said:
I must have missed that quote from Klopp, either that or you know him personally.
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Yeah he said it in an interview after a Liverpool champions League match. He didn't say us by name but it was totally clear who he meant.

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It's a nonsense bud. They've tried to compete but through idiocy have swerved from one manager to another without a DOF overseeing a long term plan therefore wasting money hand over fist.
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It's not a nonsense. You just don't seem to understand that if you distort your spending through the prism of what works best for the share price then you end up with very suboptimal results on the field no matter that you spend a lot. And the Glazers know that and don't care. Hence Ole at the wheel, McFred in midfield but Ronaldo up front.

It's not idiocy. It's strategy. Just not your strategy.
 
Flytan said:
The issue is that they don't know football, don't employ people below them that know football, and practice nepotism (fits in with the United fan base). They spend more than enough if they were competent enough to ditch Woodward 5 years ago for someone with a football brain from OUTSIDE the club. Instead they just keep promoting from within or give jobs to friends of friends. It's terrible. Not to mention they're the one picking and employing the coaches and always keeping them longer than they should. Jose should have been gone the moment they decided not to buy him those players before his third year as EVERYONE knew it was going to be toxic. LVG should have been gone that December (he won the FA Cup at least so wasn't the end of the world). Moyes is a difficult situation since he was supposedly chosen by SAF (again the level of truth of that is up in the air, he may have been what we were stuck with after missing out on better managers) but he probably should have been fired before top 4 was mathematically impossible. And then of course Ole. They never should have given him the job after a fluke win in Paris and certainly should have rethought the investment after we didn't finish top 4. Then Ole should have been fired last year after the horrific start or this year at the horrific start. They're afraid to make the tough decisions and be wrong so they always wait until the decision has to be made for them (not top 4) or the problem fixes itself (like Ole winning a few games). It's so reactive that it's pathetic and you can tell they're not really good businessmen but just reap the benefits that their family had earned generation(s) earlier and rake in free cash.
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Usually the point against the Glazers is that they haven't supported transfer spending, which is untrue. You're saying they're at fault because they appoint the coaches and senior leadership. That may be true but I doubt it. There's a board for a reason. I do agree that there isn't a strong enough corporate governance structure and no accountability for senior management, but honestly that's bordering on nitpicking. No club is perfect. The main role of the Glazers is to stay out of the way, and support investment, which they've been doing for many years.

I think/hope the club, including whoever is meant to advise the owners, including SAF, has learned a lot about the importance of world class coaching over the past few months.
 
Levi1 said:
Usually the point against the Glazers is that they haven't supported transfer spending, which is untrue. You're saying they're at fault because they appoint the coaches and senior leadership. That may be true but I doubt it. There's a board for a reason. I do agree that there isn't a strong enough corporate governance structure and no accountability for senior management, but honestly that's bordering on nitpicking. No club is perfect. The main role of the Glazers is to stay out of the way, and support investment, which they've been doing for many years.

I think/hope the club, including whoever is meant to advise the owners, including SAF, has learned a lot about the importance of world class coaching over the past few months.
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Yes but good owners who stay out of the way appoint competent human beings to fulfill the roles needed to run a football club well. The Glazers do not. They appointed their friend Woodward to the job who in turn has hired 2 different friends of his (Arnold and Murtough) to help him run the club. They've enlisted former United players/staff from the SAF era (whether it be SAF himself, Fletcher, Ole, Carrick, Phelan) to run the club. It's an old boys' club with little to no outside influence that challenges the way the people in power think. They don't comprehend how bad they are at decision making because everyone from top to bottom has been hired because they all think the same way. Why else do you think they're so desperate for Ole to succeed? He's one of their pals and they gave him the job solely because it appealed to the fan base and it was someone they knew. They want to win, but they don't value winning over relationships, which is why people have issue with nepotism. When people commit (? is that the right way to say it) nepotism, none of them are like "wow he's my brother so I'm going to give him the job even though he sucks", they genuinely think that that person is the most qualified and will do the job the best. Honestly if the Glazers straight up told all their buddies to feck off and hired at least one or two people with a football background OUTSIDE of this club to run it, I think they'd be "decent" owners.

As for your second point, they haven't, or they would have appointed Conte. Spurs got him on 18 months. He would have been the price of 1/3 of DVB to get rid of if he sucked (he wouldn't) or angered the board (maybe) during the season. Not exactly a huge investment when they're on track to waste 70M on Sancho, 30M on DVB and massively overpaid for players like Maguire and AWB during these past few years under their buddy.
 
Hasn't Klopp said on record that he turned us down after Ed said we were like an adult Disneyland
 
Wilt said:
Don’t see much point in getting just anyone. We‘ve regrettably missed out on Conte, so we‘ll have to just wait for ‘the one’ and hope that things don‘t spiral too much in the mean time.
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Knowing this board ‘the one’ could be anyone from Ten Hag to fecking Steve Bruce.
 
Gone for Pochettino because he's PL Proven, would be here for the long run and is someone the Glazers could trust in making long term decisions for the good of the club rather than self serving short term signings.
 
lsd said:
Hasn't Klopp said on record that he turned us down after Ed said we were like an adult Disneyland
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It was in Raphael Honigstein's book on Klopp. Ed should have been fired on the spot when that story went public.
 
DutchCruijff said:
By the way, any notion that they have some sort of a plan or that they know what they're doing?

Not a chance.

Pep passed up on us, Klopp compared us to "Disneyland" and we've missed out on Tuchel + Poch due to our persistence with Ole.
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Disagree with this. It's not what the fans want, but their plan is to finish top 4 every season.

Whatever you think of Ole he's done what Mourinho and LVG couldn't and that's finish top 4 in consecutive seasons.
 
Kearnkoff69 said:
It was in Raphael Honigstein's book on Klopp. Ed should have been fired on the spot when that story went public.
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I always have visions of Klopp asking about the club's set up and scouting structure etc only to be met with Ed jumping up yelling "we are Disneyland yaaaaayyy " while waving his hands at him
 
glazed said:
Yeah he said it in an interview after a Liverpool champions League match. He didn't say us by name but it was totally clear who he meant.



It's not a nonsense. You just don't seem to understand that if you distort your spending through the prism of what works best for the share price then you end up with very suboptimal results on the field no matter that you spend a lot. And the Glazers know that and don't care. Hence Ole at the wheel, McFred in midfield but Ronaldo up front.

It's not idiocy. It's strategy. Just not your strategy.
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Again you’ve not explained WHY they would spend every bit and more than the teams that do compete if they don’t want to achieve anything?

It’s that simple. Why would a plan to underachieve cost more than winning everything? It wouldn’t.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
I wonder if the Glazers are gonna end up regretting this one…?

With the way they’re ‘running’ the club, and the bizarre, comedy decisions they’ve been making for years, there has to be one that they end up really, really regretting - I just wonder if this could be it…

We all know how pathetically important Top 4 is to them, and they’ve just snubbed Conte, bruised his ego no doubt, and sent him to a direct Top 4 rival… leaving themselves now battling Guardiola, Klopp, Tuchel and Conte.

There’s no way a manager of Solskjaer’s level can hang with that group.

I think they’re waiting on Pochettino, but even then - is he THAT good now? He’ll be coming back to the PL with City, Liverpool and Chelsea firmly established and Conte probably bedded in at Spurs.

Is this one a bad decision too far for the Glazers and their Top 4 dreams…?

Genuine question. @devilish @pocco thoughts?
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I think it depends how long they continue with Ole. They replace him within this season then I think they'll chalk it up as a necessary stage in our development, or some bollocks like that.

They might not regret Conte if he isn't backed at Spurs, if you know what I mean. I don't rate their squad and, whilst I think he'll do a good job if he's allowed to, I'm not sure how much he can do without good investment in that team. If they back him then he'll leave us behind because he's miles better than Ole and has that impact.

I'm not sure how to think on our manager situation now. I said I felt the club were having us on with this talk of a new manager in the international break and seeing Conte go to Spurs confirms that. All a load of bollocks once again. I'm surprised more supporters aren't offended when the club try to insult their intelligence like this. Feels to me they've told Ole 'just don't lose any of the next 2 or 3 and you're fine. The fans will forget about it', hence this new park the bus formation and fecking off his new £70m winger. This is all about preservation and shows Ole lacks in critical thinking and foresight when it took absolute disaster to see him change anything.

I'm just pissed off and getting to the stage where I just don't care anymore. Feels like Ole is here till retirement age. The fact Fergie and Charlton apparently went for a meal to celebrate the win against Spurs, because it saves Ole, makes me feel ill. Like, Fergie? Honestly? When he's lost his ambition then the club is going to hell in a hand basket because he's the only one in amongst them all that has any ambition or standards for the club. Or so I thought.
 
I hope that the board are lining up Ten Hag this summer. Missing out on Conte now only makes sense if we address the Ole problem at the end of the season.
 
RUCK4444 said:
Again you’ve not explained WHY they would spend every bit and more than the teams that do compete if they don’t want to achieve anything?

It’s that simple. Why would a plan to underachieve cost more than winning everything? It wouldn’t.
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It doesn't cost more. It costs the Glazers less in the long run. Because Ed buys players with a high resale value (young and end of contract) or cheap/free old players with star name power that cost big wages which don't register as long term assets. That way the paper value of the club increases and so do the Glazers share dividends.

So they buy players for the share value not for the footballing value.

Think of it like buying a car. You don't just look at the cost. If it's new you look at how much you can sell it for in 5 years time. If it's old you look at whether it can pass for a decent car and how much it will have to go to the garage for repairs. How much you pay is not the only factor and perhaps not even the main factor.
 
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glazed said:
It doesn't cost more. It costs the Glazers less in the long run. Because Ed buys players with a high resale value (young and end of contract) or cheap/free old players with star name power that cost big wages which don't register as long term assets. That way the paper value of the club increases and so do the Glazers share dividends.

So they buy players for the share value not for the footballing value.

Think of it like buying a car. You don't jut look at the cost. If it's new you look at how much you can sell it for in 5 years time. If it's old you look at whether it can pass for a decent car and how much it will have to go to the garage for repairs. How much you pay is not the only factor and perhaps not even the main factor.
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These players have been identified almost entirely by the managers we’ve had.

Look at the players LVG signed, they don’t fit your profile. Did Mourinho let Ed choose who we signed? Come on.

Part of the problem is we give managers at United total control, it’s why we’ve struggled to even implement any sort of DOF for so long.
 
Our most likely choices are get either Poch or Rodgers at the end of the season or keep Ole. I'm struggling to find a reason to be optimistic about our chances of winning big trophies again
 
Semper Fudge said:
This sounds like denial. Solskjaer isn't going anywhere soon.
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If Solskjaer gets sacked at any moment this season then who do we bring in?

The most obvious manager is Ten Hag.

Ten Hag is due a change soon and if we can get to the end of the season out of the title race and without Europe then I can't see us sticking with Sols.

Ten Hag won't leave mid season and the way he sets up his teams is exactly how we would like ours to be so I'm saying Ten Hag.

We'll see come May eitherway.
 
Genuinely who the hell do we appoint if we sack him?

The ‘obvious’ choices are arguably Conte (gone), Zidane (doesn’t seem like he would want the job), and Ten Hag (doesn’t seem likely to leave mid-season). It genuinely seems like we have no good options.
 
JB08 said:
Genuinely who the hell do we appoint if we sack him?

The ‘obvious’ choices are arguably Conte (gone), Zidane (doesn’t seem like he would want the job), and Ten Hag (doesn’t seem likely to leave mid-season). It genuinely seems like we have no good options.
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I believe we're going to go and get Rodgers.

I'm not happy about it, but I think that's the most likely scenario now.
 
NO RODGERS! We need a manager capable of competing with the big boys. No more punts on someone with clear weaknesses, only to lament those weaknesses further down the line.

He is not good in Europe and his current side are in a slump. He is not the man!
 
Saw a stat that amongst PL clubs, only Leicester and Norwich have conceded more goals than us this season. But yeah, let’s have the Leicester manager at the top of our list, behind Ole.
 
No quality managers available. We're really desperate. Sticking with a poor manager simply because we have no other choice.
 
And revert back to type 424

dear o dear

some people are brainwashed. They really are
 
It's gone, give it up. Cavani or Ronaldo will get him a draw and everyone will be happy.

There's no-one now, only Brenton would leave mid-season (has previous) and I don't think we'd consider an ex failed Liverpool manager. Leaves us with no-one till the Summer.
 
I can’t believe people want Poch man

Never won a trophy and he’s in a similar position to Ole now, got an unreal team yet can’t find a tune out of them, we need to stop rewarding mediocre !!!!!!
 
There is no one now on the market to replace Solskjaer with. But I beg the board to just pull the feckin' trigger on this guy, no more 3+ matches to prove himself, just get him out.
 
Conte was our chance to challenge for silverware this season. But we missed the boat on that one.
 
Jaxa said:
I can’t believe people want Poch man

Never won a trophy and he’s in a similar position to Ole now, got an unreal team yet can’t find a tune out of them, we need to stop rewarding mediocre !!!!!!
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Taken a team to the CL final.

Played 15 league and CL games this season, won 12. Top of a tricky CL group with City and Leipzig, top of his league by 8 points.

Sure, "similar to Ole".
 
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