Next permanent manager | Poll updated

[devilish]

I’m convinced that this the case now. Initially the board was panicking that they’d have to sack Ole if he continued his losing streak or the fan unrest became too great, so they put out some PR about Ole’s job being under threat. Perhaps they did sound out Conte just in case. But it’s become evident that all they hoped for was for Ole to arrest the immediate slide so they could continue with him. Plenty of journalists have mentioned how the board are “desperate” for Ole to succeed and “determined” to plan long term with Ole at the helm. Now Whitwell has said that Conte went for Spurs because he realised the board’s faith in Ole had been reaffirmed by the single match against Spurs. I think they are right. We spurned a world class manager who wanted the job, not because we were holding out for someone else even better, but because we wanted to stick with the failing incumbent, who “reaffirmed” his credentials by beating a poor team whose manager immediately got sacked for that loss.

At some point it’s going to become apparent that nothing but a series of catastrophic losses will get Ole out of the hotseat and the board off their backsides. And even then they might just appoint Rodgers. Or perhaps if Arteta turns things around, the board might point at that and think that hey Ole can do it too, no matter how bad things seem to be.

In my opinion United is being administered by two huge forces ie the University of Bristol trio (Woodward, Arnold and Judge) and SAF's men. In Ole they fount an uncomfortable marriage ie someone who will treat the latter with the respect they think they deserve (ie job for the boys etc) while not rocking the boat making the lives of the former difficult. No wonder why Ole survived a home 5-0 defeat against Liverpool despite spending an eye watering 415m in the past 3 years with little to show for.

I think that we'll stick to Ole as long as possible only to replace him with another yes man, who would know his place, he'll work with the coaching staff and technical director provided to him and will never ever criticize the board. We had stooped so low that even Liverpool are pitying us.

 

[UnitedSofa]

Surely this thread is exactly the same as "next manager" thread?

 

[Rolaholic]

Either make a concerted effort to have our displeasure heard and seen like after the ESL debacle or just accept our fate as the new Liverpool of the 90's.

A has-been big club left behind by a refusal to adapt to the realities of the modern game because we think we're better somehow

 

[devilish]

I'd like to hope the board are buying themselves time to formulate a plan after this season - that's a big ask though.

Its easy

If Ole makes it to top 4 then they will keep him. They'll probably spin it a success (we have managed to top the CL group or maybe win an FA cup). If Ole fails then we'll bring in another yes man who'll be too grateful to consider rocking the boat. I think that the Northern Irish Ole would be our no 1 target.

 

[ti vu]

Surely this thread is exactly the same as "next manager" thread?

No, unless you're fully Oleout.

I meant what we do now (?) can be in context with Ole. He can changes the coaching staffs instead of recommending them for renewals. Then there is possibility he can last for a some longer time if he win FA cup...

 

[UnitedSofa]

No, unless you're fully Oleout.

I meant what we do now (?) can be in context with Ole. He can changes the coaching staffs instead of recommending them for renewals...

Fair point!

 

[dinostar77]

I wouldnt be suprised if Poch got sacked from PSG (regardless of what he wins) at end of season to make way for zidane. Then Utd would go after Poch. Not sure why Poch is so highly rated, he did build a good team at spurs but hes making a pig's ear of keeping Messi happy.

 

[AnderHerrera]

So who do you guys want if it's between Rodgers and Pochettino if Ole get the sack? Out of the rumours (the board wanting a yes man with PL experience etc), I think these two are the only possible candidates.

 

[BorisManUtd]

It would be a terrible mistake to hire Ten Hag or any other "modern coach" that deploys counter-pressing as long as Cristiano is here.
He's a very good coach, and personally I think you would've been better off with a coach like Ten Hag than a player like Cristiano, but you're not going to release him anytime soon are you? And he's not going to accept to play second fiddle.

With Cristiano and Cavani I think you would be better off having a more conservative, pragmatic coach. I'm not a fan of Zidane as a coach, but I think he would suit you. Defend in greater numbers, let Cristiano, Cavani, Bruno and late runs from Pogba or VDB take care of the attack.

I agree. I'd like someone like ten Hag but with the players we've got, Zidane would suit us the best. He's won 3 CLs at Real and couple of leagues as well, has a relationship with Ronaldo and Varane, French connection with likes of Pogba and Martial and he'd keep squad happy like Ole but our performances would improve I believe. He's not interested in the job though, probably waiting for PSG of France job to become available.

We'll probably go with Pochettino or Rodgers though, with Ten Hag and Potter being candidates too.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Surely this thread is exactly the same as "next manager" thread?

Nope. That thread is about the next manager (that’s why it’s called ‘Next Manager’).

This thread is about what will happen now that the Glazers have made clear they’re not replacing the current failing manager.

 

[Kaizane]

Its easy

If Ole makes it to top 4 then they will keep him. They'll probably spin it a success (we have managed to top the CL group or maybe win an FA cup). If Ole fails then we'll bring in another yes man who'll be too grateful to consider rocking the boat. I think that the Northern Irish Ole would be our no 1 target.

I did say it was a big ask.

 

[Plant0x84]

Support the players and manager..

See out the season, unless he does something seriously stupid, then see where we are at the end.

You support the manager and players. Simple as that.

Keep cheering for your team next game?

Support the team and stop putting energy into #oleout.

Exactly this. Shame more don’t share this opinion.

 

[Wilt]

Nope. That thread is about the next manager (that’s why it’s called ‘Next Manager’).

This thread is about what will happen now that the Glazers have made clear they’re not replacing the current failing manager.

 

[AltiUn]

Give up.

 

[lsd]

The only thing to do is panic like we never panicked before.

I don't see any other option

 

[K Stand Knut]

Not according to the likes of Romano. However these 3 games or time is up thing is pure BS. It's the sort of punishment threat a parent gives to a 4 year old. Coupled to the rumours that we are interested in two managers who would probably turn us down at the moment and you can deduce that we were not seriously considering sacking ole

Well, I heard something from someone who would be considered as ‘the likes of Romano’.

Obviously not relevant now.

 

[L1nk]

Pochettino would be a bad appointment imo and is incredibly overrated as a manager. Really hope we stay clear of him.

Fortunately/Unfortunately whichever way you look at it, the noise from the whole media for a while is he has massive fans on the board, so I think at this point if he became available at any point in the next year they'd go for him first choice.

 

[RedSky]

He just isn't though, he's failed to get top 4 twice in a row when United and Chelsea were doing everything in their power to hand it to him. His record in Europe is arguably even worse than Solskjaer's. More to the point he is nowhere near as good as the managers of our rivals, he isn't better than a single one of Conte, Klopp, Tuchel or Guardiola which is the paramount concern. We can't accept second rate managers forever.

Yeah, I wouldn't go anywhere near Rodgers. He's a slightly better version of Moyes, Leicesters form in Europa for example has been horrific. Out of all those fixtures, Leicester would have been favourite in the majority.

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Spoiler: Leicesters Europa Form Under Rodgers

Result​	Home​	Score​	Away​
W​	Spartak Moscow​	3:4​	Leicester​
W​	Leicester​	2:0​	AEK Athens​
W​	Leicester​	4:0​	SC Braga​
W​	AEK Athens​	1:2​	Leicester​
W​	Leicester​	3:0​	Zorya Lugansk​
D​	Leicester​	2:2​	SSC Napoli​
D​	Slavia Prague​	0:0​	Leicester​
D​	SC Braga​	3:3​	Leicester​
L​	Legia Warszawa​	1:0​	Leicester​
L​	Leicester​	0:2​	Slavia Prague​
L​	Zorya Lugansk​	1:0​	Leicester​

You look at Ten Hags form with Ajax however and it's bloody impressive. Naturally it depends on what your expectations are for Ajax, but here's their results under Ten Hag in the Champions League.

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Spoiler: Ajax Form in Champions League Under Ten Hag

W​	AEK Athens​	0:2​	Ajax Amsterdam​
W​	Ajax​	4:0​	Borussia Dortmund​
W​	Ajax​	2:0​	Besiktas JK​
W​	Ajax​	3:1​	FC Midtjylland​
W​	Ajax​	3:0​	LOSC Lille​
W​	Ajax​	1:0​	SL Benfica​
W​	Ajax​	3:0​	AEK Athens​
W​	FC Midtjylland​	1:2​	Ajax Amsterdam​
W​	Juventus​	1:2​	Ajax Amsterdam​
W​	LOSC Lille​	0:2​	Ajax Amsterdam​
W​	Real Madrid​	1:4​	Ajax Amsterdam​
W​	Sporting CP​	1:5​	Ajax Amsterdam​
W​	Spurs​	0:1​	Ajax Amsterdam​
W​	Valencia​	0:3​	Ajax Amsterdam​
D​	Ajax​	1:1​	Juventus FC​
D​	Ajax​	3:3​	Bayern Munich​
D​	Atalanta BC​	2:2​	Ajax Amsterdam​
D​	Benfica​	1:1​	Ajax Amsterdam​
D​	Chelsea​	4:4​	Ajax Amsterdam​
D​	FC Bayern​	1:1​	Ajax Amsterdam​
L​	Ajax​	0:1​	Atalanta BC​
L​	Ajax​	0:1​	Liverpool FC​
L​	Ajax​	0:1​	Valencia CF​
L​	Ajax​	0:1​	Chelsea FC​
L​	Ajax​	2:3​	Tottenham Hotspur​
L​	Ajax​	1:2​	Real Madrid​
L​	Liverpool​	1:0​	Ajax Amsterdam​

How many times have Ajax had a disappointing result in that list? All the loses have been by a 1 goal margin. I think his CL form for Ajax shows him to be a quality Manager, he'd be the man i'd be going for if I was on the United board.

 

[devilish]

Well, I heard something from someone who would be considered as ‘the likes of Romano’.

Obviously not relevant now.

I am referring to Romano.

 

[Yakuza_devils]

The problem with Ten Hag is that he got a whole efficient football structure established for decades in the club to support him at Ajax.

At Man Utd, we are not even sure who is in charge or have the final say on player recruitment, what is the club football structure, what is the style of play consistent with the academy and so on, so forth.

He will be on his own to transition from Ajax to the biggest club in the world.

 

[croadyman]

Exactly this. Shame more don’t share this opinion.

Not a bloody chance am I blindly supporting this guy just like I wouldn't do with Moyes, Jose or LVG

 

[UnitedSofa]

I hope for the club's sake, I hope for Ole's sake that we don't lose vs Atalanta and City, that too convincingly, because I don't know exactly what we'll do and how the fanbase will respond.

It will end up being pretty bad.

You're resigned to the fact we're going to lose our next two games? What if we win?

 

[VP89]

You're resigned to the fact we're going to lose our next two games? What if we win?

We would still be shite

 

[TwoSheds]

We're gonna be like three little Fonzies here. And what's Fonzie like? Cool.

We're gonna be cool.

Why? Cause Conte isn't the one to take us forward. Neither is Ole, but that's another topic.
I'm most certain that Ole will keep us in the hunt, maybe not with Chelsea and Liverpool, but we'll be there around....
Top 4 is guaranteed. Can't see any other teams better then us even with Ole at the wheel.

Be cool. First things first, we need a DoF. A capable one at that.
Then, identify the midfielder we need. Purchase the same motherfecker.

Get rid of more dead wood. VDB isn't gonna happen, so, cut the losses for both parties involved.
That goes with Bailly as well.
If we're not gonna give Henderson a chance, get him off too.
Martial off ASAP.

Then, think long term. Maybe even give Ole the DoF place and hire a capable coach. Save Ole some pride.
Ten Hag would be the option. Potter would be a good option.

Unfortunately, another season written off and it's not even December yet.
It's a reality for us, a one we need to change.

Is this one of the Caf's greatest beat poets at work? I think we need a video of this being performed.

 

[BorisManUtd]

It seems now like the most probable thing is Pochettino gets sacked at some point of the season and we either appoint him in May or during the season if we're in a really bad form and top 4 is in question.

Ten Hag's record in Europe is really impressive. I just have the feeling he'll go to Barca or some other club with a tradition of football he'd want to implement. Even City if Pep is to leave in few years.

 

[croadyman]

We would still be shite

Yeah and now will officially have the worst manager in the league when Newcastle appoint Emery

 

[DutchCruijff]

You're resigned to the fact we're going to lose our next two games? What if we win?

Not resigned to it all.

But it's a very plausible scenario and deserves thought.

 

[Ødegaard]

I would be happy with Zidane. I would be hopeful with Ten Hag and Rose.
Rodgers I'd get annoyed to the point of hating the team. Wouldn't want Mancini.

The rest I wouldn't have any expectations or big hopes for.

 

[RedSky]

The problem with Ten Hag is that he got a whole efficient football structure established for decades in the club to support him at Ajax.

At Man Utd, we are not even sure who is in charge or have the final say on player recruitment, what is the club football structure, what is the style of play consistent with the academy and so on, so forth.

He will be on his own to transition from Ajax to the biggest club in the world.

We have an opportunity with Woodward leaving and the restructuring of the board last Summer to do something different. Anyone can see that what occurred under Woodward was by and large a complete failure and nobody in their right minds will want to continue that trend. Therefore, going a different path is required. We have a very good business reputation with Ajax, negiotation with Ten Hag and Ajax would not be difficult. Simply allow him to bring his own staff and support him throughout. If there's one thing that he knows he'd get is time at United, it'd be an exciting proposition for any Manager in all honesty as we aren't a club that will bin them after a few months. We will allow the Manager time to shape his team and that's pretty rare in modern football. Granted the pressure here is a huge step up, but I can't see why any Manager wouldn't be interested in our job. High wage, job security, talented squad and a huge transfer warchest.

I don't think he'd be on his own at all, but I do think it's important that he brings coaches he trusts and can rely on.

 

[moses]

Conte agreed to join Spurs and must have been promised by Levy with funds available for Jan signings.

Conte can sort out the defence, it's his strongest point. Spurs have Kane and Son at the front. With some Jan signings I think Spurs will be there or thereabouts Top 4 this season.

Sometimes a new manager can turn around years of demise, mostly it doesn't happen like that. Spurs have deep problems in my opinion. They should have let Poch rebuild the squad like he wanted to before they got increasingly worse.

 

[RedSky]

Sometimes a new manager can turn around years of demise, mostly it doesn't happen like that. Spurs have deep problems in my opinion. They should have let Poch rebuild the squad like he wanted to before they got increasingly worse.

Conte isn't going to get the transfer funds he wants like he did at Inter. Destined for a big falling out after Levy falls back on his promises and Spurs have a pretty big rebuild job.

 

[Plant0x84]

We would still be shite

If we beat Atalanta and City (big if, granted) we will be all but qualified in the CL and level on points with City (dare I say it back in the title race) - on what planet would that be considered ‘still shit’?!

 

[moses]

Conte isn't going to get the transfer funds he wants like he did at Inter. Destined for a big falling out after Levy falls back on his promises and Spurs have a pretty big rebuild job.

Yeah, I would have taken Conte here but I'm not worried about Spurs.

 

[Red Dreams]

The Glazers have written off this season.
Their calculation is it would save them a lot of money letting Ole go when he does not make top four end of the season than firing him now.
With the money they save they can buy ten Hag's last year contract with Ajax.
Or Ole could fluke it and make top four.
We will win nothing with Ole of course.

 

[Nytram Shakes]

Conte isn't going to get the transfer funds he wants like he did at Inter. Destined for a big falling out after Levy falls back on his promises and Spurs have a pretty big rebuild job.

Yeah I agree, and it's a long-term rebuild, and Conte is not a long-term manager, he comes in splashes the cash gets some results, but then falls out with everyone when he isnt allowed to keep up the same rate of spending.
That kind of philosophy can work when you need a manager just to push you over the edge to win a trophy. But at the start of a rebuild its going to go terribly

 

[macheda14]

I’m saying it now, let’s just get Graham potter. Pay the 20 mill mid season

 

[RUCK4444]

That's the common mistake everyone makes. It's not about the amount of money spent, but how it is spent and why.

Look closer at the players we bought this summer. Out of Varane, Sancho and Ronaldo we only needed Varane. We bought Varane because he was going cheap in a Madrid fire sale. But still he was a very good buy in football terms.

Sancho was a young English talent coming to the end of his contract so he is basically a bargain who can be sold for far more in three years time - and crucially can be counted as a valuable and increasing asset on the club's balance sheet, thus helping the share price. The Glazers mainly care about the share price, not the results on the field. He may turn out to be a great player but buying him wasn't a huge priority in football terms when the midfield was such a mess.

Rondaldo sells shirts and drives overseas TV sales. He cost very little relative to his status, and high wages don't impact the share price in the same way as asset depreciation does. But while he is an upgrade in some ways, we already have loads of strikers - too many if anything.

None of that would matter if there weren't huge problems elsewhere on the pitch. 66% of our purchases were driven mainly by commercial and not footballing requirements. And so we end up with a striker we don't need, a winger that is not ready and NO FEKKIN DEFENSIVE MIDFIELD.

You see the problem? You think this is Ole's doing? Or is he just going along with it like a smiling popular yes man, in a way that a world class football manager never would? My money is on the latter.

The Glazers don't select the players we buy. They release the funds, nothing more.

Strange viewpoint to have really.

We spend every bit as much as the clubs who are competing at the top of the tree, so if your opinion is the truth then what's the point if they aren't saving money in 'accepting mediocrity'?

Just because we've bought the wrong players doesn't mean that money doesn't count and of the players you listed they were all to fix major holes in the squad with the exception of Ronaldo, who we simply couldn't let go to City. Totally agree on DM and I was one of the most vocal here on this throughout the summer but we blew our load on the other players and Ole thought he could make it work with what we have in midfield.

They have no idea or vision about owning a football club, that was entirely provided by SAF. What we've seen since then is inept ownership whilst squandering huge sums of money.

 

[el3mel]

I have no doubt in my mind Ole will be here next season no matter what. There's no "next manager" for a long time.

 

[croadyman]

If we beat Atalanta and City (big if, granted) we will be all but qualified in the CL and level on points with City (dare I say it back in the title race) - on what planet would that be considered ‘still shit’?!

Quite frankly with Conte going elsewhere this season has rapidly lost interest including these next two games

 

[Yakuza_devils]

Sometimes a new manager can turn around years of demise, mostly it doesn't happen like that. Spurs have deep problems in my opinion. They should have let Poch rebuild the squad like he wanted to before they got increasingly worse.

Agree for Poch, it was a big mistake for them to sack him.

For Conte, he has track records of quickly turn around a team. Spurs is not too far off from Top 4, with a world class manager and some reinforcement in Jan things could change very quickly.