Good reputation with Ajax after the Donny farce are you actually kidding me
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Good reputation with Ajax after the Donny farce are you actually kidding me
The problem is, even if we do the above, many of us don’t believe we’d win trophies under Ole, we’d drop out of the title race sooner than later, and would get knocked out in CL as well, to win these trophies, you need to be consistent (look at Pep and Klopp), it has been three years, and we haven’t seen sustained consistency under Ole, Also to win the Premier league/Champions league, you have to be able to control most games, and not comeback from being down almost every other match, sure we might fumble our way to a later stage in the champions league, but we don’t have the winning mentality, tactics, or conviction to win it. I mean look at the Europa loss last season..
Whats the issue? We paid good money for him, negiotations were simple, everyone was happy. Just because the lad hasn't played much doesn't mean our business reputation with Ajax has soured. Far from it, we have solid connections with Ajax going back years. We've not once messed them around as a club.
Yeah that's exactly what will happen and it will be utterly painful to watch
This one. Where the gulf in quality is still vast between us and the teams above us despite having a strong squad.
We won't be back in title race. Chelsea are the league leaders currently 8 points ahead of us, not City.
Ole is already 3 years here and one thing is very clear for everyone to see, the team inconsistent form.
This is not a coach to challenge Klopp, Pep and Tuchel. These managers has track records of getting more than 100 points a season.
Honestly, do you have any confidence that Ole could get 100 points?
It's not strange at all. They have imposed a business model whose targets Ed Woodward meets by heavily distorting our transfer business. That's why we have a very expensive and very unbalanced team. Ed has a veto on who we buy and our transfer department has guidelines on who to target.
Do you really thing Ole is so dim as to have wanted an unhappy Ronaldo in his dressing room when he already had so many strikers and a patched together defensive midfield of McFred with Matic and Pogba as the only back up. I know he's bad but he's not that bad.
You agree we didn't need Ronaldo. Did we really need Sancho? More than a top DM? The Liverpool result is your answer. The reason we did not buy one was because there was none available that fitted the business model. We bought Sancho this year and not last year because he did.
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Then what? We will lose points against Watford. Ole supporters won't see it now . That's it.
Beating Atalanta guarantees nothing for us in CL. Absolutely nothing. Group is wide open.
We know how the transfer committee operate, this myth needs to die.
Do you only support the club when we win trophies?
“Sometimes I have to be one who delivers the ‘no’, which isn’t easy, because our natural tendency is to back the manager in every possible circumstance, but we have to listen to the recruitment experts too.” Ed Woodward after blocking Mourinho's request to buy a 29 year old centre back for £60 million or so.
You get that quote was pre committee?
It also just proves Woodward can veto which is the same in every single club (the CEO can pull a deal), not that he has some agenda passed down by the Glazers.
Bielsa is a fecking lunatic, bucket sitting, Jack Duckworth nonce
On every planet. Our last 20 games are WLWLDWLLWLWWDWLWDLLWL. With this kind of consistency you can forget winning anything, and thats why we have not won anything in 3 years. This form can get you TOP 4, nothing more. We can achieve this kind of form with no manager in charge at all so why even bother having Ole at all, he gives us nothing anyway from coaching POV.
I wouldn't quote me I am well and truly Ole out. I was just saying what I thought the club will do.
You don't think Woodward has an agenda passed down from the Glazers??? I'm not sure what to say to that other than I think most people would disagree.
It's not about trophies more the complete lack of bloody care from this disgraceful board that is driving me away completely
Ole hasn’t had ‘this’ squad for 3 years, the game changing signings came a few months ago. That’s when the expectations were raised. Give him the season with ‘this squad’ and judge in May. Top 4 and a trophy minimum progression this season.
For me, the 100pt thing is a red herring. City won the league with 86 pts last season. The seasons where teams have achieved 100pts are exceptional. It is caused by two top teams pushing each other all the way. If you ask me do I think we could keep pace at the top, yes I do.
So lets see.
We miss out on top 4 this season then Ole gets sacked.
We struggle to get a top manager because we don’t have CL to offer, we also lose players in the process and struggle to sign top players.
Next season City, Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool start the season strong, we have a new manager who needs to play catch up with top managers who have top players and the added experience of the league.
The pressure builds on the manager and we probably miss out on top 4 next season. We might even struggle to get top 4 for a few season thereafter.
What management has done is crippled us for a few season not just this season.
Take into consideration New Castle, they might catch up with us very soon since we are the only top clubs that’s being left behind by the pack.
We miss out on top 4 this season then Ole gets sacked.
We struggle to get a top manager because we don’t have CL to offer, we also lose players in the process and struggle to sign top players.
Next season City, Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool start the season strong, we have a new manager who needs to play catch up with top managers who have top players and the added experience of the league.
The pressure builds on the manager and we probably miss out on top 4 next season. We might even struggle to get top 4 for a few season thereafter.
What management has done is crippled us for a few season not just this season.
Take into consideration New Castle, they might catch up with us very soon since we are the only top clubs that’s being left behind by the pack.
He is just trolling. He point is Ole hasn't had complete 3 years yet and would need until end of season to even considered to be sacked.
I actually praise Ole regularly for the players he's brought in. Do I think Ole wanted Ronaldo? Absolutely, like every sane manager would.
I didn't say we didn't need Ronaldo, I said the club sprang into action when City were going to get him, it forced their hand. Doesn't mean Ole didn't absolutely want the player. He would have known that he's starting every single game. And let's get it right, he's a GOAT level player.
I find it totally believable that our spend at that point didn't then allow for a DM, it was a huge window. And there's not an abundance of top DM's around, but I absolutely agree we should have gotten one, I said so repeatedly at the time. I blame Ole as much as the board for not identifying that.
Did we need Sancho? Absolutely. We neglected to sign a single RW for a decade under previous management.
There isn't a conspiracy to underachieve at United. People are right to dislike the owners but what your claiming their doing makes no sense when it's costing them every bit as much physical cash as it would to compete at the top. They've gotten the previous managers wrong through having no strategy or plan for the direction of the club and now Ole is falling at the final hurdle before proving himself capable of competing with the likes of Pep, Klopp and Tuchel, unfortunately.
It's hard to say they are purposely holding us back when the likes of Klopp has spent a lot less and yet has won everything.
Many of us came to the conclusion that Ole is not the right manager after 3 years of patience for him to rebuild. We understand that rebuild needs time. BTW, it's only in united that a manager is given such a luxury of time to rebuild. Good manager usually implement their style of play right from the start.
After 3 years of negative football and no style of play at all, coupled with addition of Sancho, Ronaldo and Varane we are still nowhere near the finished product that we were being promised 3 years ago. In fact we are getting worse and to save his job all of sudden we revert back to 532. Where is the attacking united DNA football that was promised? Where is the consistency? What is our vision for our style of play?
Finally, last season City won the league comfortably with 86 points because they took their foots off the pedal. There were on 1 horse race for the title.
Yeah, I got that but I just don’t think it’s a disaster to do that. A short term knee jerk appointment may well turn out to be a disaster .
Give him time? He brought in 3 new players, its not a revamped overhaul between this year and last. He doesn't even want to play one of them.
This squad has managed to feck up against Young Boys, Everton, West Ham, Villa, Southampton and have panta pulled down by Liverpool.
We can win 3-0 in every game for November and I will still look at him as a yoyo manager out of his depth. And rightly so
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Why wouldn't Ole have wanted any of the players he signed? The only one there could be legitimate questions about is VdB but then Ole and the player confirmed that Ole pushed hard to convince him to join and, more importantly to your point, he's hardly an older or highly commercial player.
I'm working off facts here, we know the decision makers in the committee, we know Ole then has final say on targets and then Judge handles negotiations before presenting the numbers to Woodward who will say 'yes' or 'no'.
I am hoping they have a plan. He might just get away with it this season, but worry that next season we will have even more competition for signings and even more class manager. The right manager with a project players can buy into would be what we need. I think we have too many players who are just happy to stumble along, get their social media clicks and pick up their inflated wage packets while achieving absolutely nothing on the pitch. A manager with ambition might just light a fire under them.
Yeah that could well have been Conte who could have lit that fire but sadly we will never know
I actually want the Glazers to get stuffed. The only way now is for us to lose the CL spot.
He signed an 18 months deal with Spurs, that's easy to get rid of even if he failed. There's literally no excuse for our board now except that they're being cheap when it comes to the most important position in a squad and they'd rather have a puppet manager who is fine with sharing their ambitions of never winning
With Conte going to Spurs that’s us lost out on a top manager who would’ve been readily available to takeover if we get shot of Ole after these next 2 games. Now if we sack him we’ll definitely have to go down the caretaker route as we aren’t getting anyone out of their club mid season. Not a lot of inspiring options out their either, Blanc maybe?
Don’t see much point in getting just anyone. We‘ve regrettably missed out on Conte, so we‘ll have to just wait for ‘the one’ and hope that things don‘t spiral too much in the mean time.
I mean we all think that, I don't want to end up not in the CL and with glazers.
Imagine we become like Arsenal, which is why I rather see us in the CL.
I think people here have to just accept that the glazers are our owners. There's 0 reason for them to sell considering how much money United brings in, even going through an 8 year shit period on the pitch. There's also effectively nobody who can actually afford to buy United other than us becoming an oil rich club... which nobody wants. So pretty much, all we can do is ask how can we become successful despite having the glazers in charge? For all the shit, there are much worse owners out there.
Klopp turned down Old Trafford precisely because he saw that it was a marketing and branding operation with a sideline in football. That's the whole problem.
Yes Woodward has the final say. Yes to Sancho, no to any DM Ole wanted. Pretty simple.
I can see Ten Hag saying no to us for the same reason.
Conte confirmed as Tottenham boss.
We're running out of options fellas!
We're running out of options fellas!
By the way, any notion that they have some sort of a plan or that they know what they're doing?
Not a chance.
Pep passed up on us, Klopp compared us to "Disneyland" and we've missed out on Tuchel + Poch due to our persistence with Ole.
Not a chance.
Pep passed up on us, Klopp compared us to "Disneyland" and we've missed out on Tuchel + Poch due to our persistence with Ole.
I must have missed that quote from Klopp, either that or you know him personally.
Think about it, what do you think the conversations are between the Glazers and Ed?
Glazers: "Oi listen guys, I've got a great scheme that I'm sure you would buy into. Let's invest in Manchester United but our goal is to only achieve top four finishes, without winning any silverware. What we are going to do to achieve that is spend £1 BILLION on the squad within 8 years, if it goes to plan we will spend more than our rivals and achieve less than them. Clever eh?"
It's a nonsense bud. They've tried to compete but through idiocy have swerved from one manager to another without a DOF overseeing a long term plan therefore wasting money hand over fist.
100% agree. The problem has not been thr Glazers for a very long time. Theyve spent as much as - if not more than - the state-owned clubs. The problem has been the coaches.I must have missed that quote from Klopp, either that or you know him personally.
Think about it, what do you think the conversations are between the Glazers and Ed?
Glazers: "Oi listen guys, I've got a great scheme that I'm sure you would buy into. Let's invest in Manchester United but our goal is to only achieve top four finishes, without winning any silverware. What we are going to do to achieve that is spend £1 BILLION on the squad within 8 years, if it goes to plan we will spend more than our rivals and achieve less than them. Clever eh?"
It's a nonsense bud. They've tried to compete but through idiocy have swerved from one manager to another without a DOF overseeing a long term plan therefore wasting money hand over fist.
Edit: In fact, I think we now have the best squad in world football.
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