So no worries at all then.
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Good point. I think players will look at the team’s performances for the rest of the season. We have on paper one of the strongest squads around. If we continue making players like Ronaldo Sancho Varane etc look like crap, I think they’d be very wary of coming here. Certainly I doubt the likes of Haaland would want to come if he sees his former teammate Sancho and one of the GOATs struggling so badly.
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I think it’s more about all the signals currently suggesting that the club do not intend to replace Ole at all. If we had passed on Conte to hold out for Ten Hag, I doubt there would be nearly as much unhappiness. It’s the fear that we passed on Conte to stick with Ole.
I want a total overhaul. Sack Ole, Woodward, and Murtough. Pull out all the stops to bring in the package of Ten Hag, Van der Sar (CEO), and Overmars (director of football). Arnold can stick around post Woodward to focus on commercial deals. That's the type of change that could bring us back to the top.
So no worries at all then.
I’d worry that he fails to make top 4 and the club STILL sticks with him out of some delusional idea that he’s the right man for their long term plans. And unlike with LVG and Mourinho, there wouldn’t be nearly as much external pressure for the board to replace him. Can be sure that the likes of Neville would still be insisting on air that it’s the players’ fault and the club needs to back the manager in the market.
Liverpool fans know Rodgers though, had him, and didn’t like him that much. United sign Conte and Liverpool are much more worried about United than they are if United sign Rodgers.
I can’t get my head round anyone wanting Rodgers over Conte. There’s no comparison…
Spurs reacted so fast to sign Conte knowing he was on Utd’s radar. Considering they took an age and looked at every manager with a pulse before signing Nuno.
They must have offered Conte a large transfer budget or surely he wouldn’t sign.
They must have offered Conte a large transfer budget or surely he wouldn’t sign.
My family support Liverpool and they despised Rodgers.
Football is played on the ground. Remember how Klopp took Liverpool to CL places with lot of dross ? A good coach can make a huge difference.
Spurs are only 5 points off 4th place and is only playing Liverpool until Jan( from top 6 team).
All Conte needs to do is solidify the defence (which he is extremely good at) and that attack is as good as anyone. People are deluded if they think they won't get top 4. United and Arsenal will miss out.
You would hope they have at least started assessing options. Which I doubt they had in mind at all until the last couple of weeks.
I wish we weren't just thinking about the next manager, but instead re-thinking the entire set up so that we are more efficient in footballing decisions from top to bottom. I'd like to see a package of Ten Hag, Van der Sar (CEO), and Overmars (director of football), with someone like Arnold sticking around for commercial deals. I fear that Ten Hag alone (or other very good managers) would struggle given the piss poor decision making above them.
I don’t like the Spurs squad but the best investment any club can make is in the coach. Signing Conte makes Spurs a serious competitor. Kane and Son will like working for a top coach and he will toughen a lot of their average players up. In most teams that he takes over he finds at least one tactical/positional innovation. I can’t believe Spurs have got him. Hopefully Levy winds him up in a January.
Ole will need to win something to remain here. I think we'll stick with him till Summer and have a replacement lined up. This is assuming that Ole can fight through the next few weeks.
We need to accept that this season is largely a write-off now. Progress was always the buzz word for Ole - progress from 2nd is obviously winning it but right now we will likely be in a 4th place battle which is going backwards. A trophy might help, but I doubt we will go far in the CL and that leaves just the FA Cup.
Its the future I'm worried about. A lot of personnel will be off in the summer and its whether the Glazers dip in another 200m to cover what we will be losing. I think after next season (Ronaldo and Cavani off as well) we could be in a bad way but lets see how it goes.
Its the future I'm worried about. A lot of personnel will be off in the summer and its whether the Glazers dip in another 200m to cover what we will be losing. I think after next season (Ronaldo and Cavani off as well) we could be in a bad way but lets see how it goes.
Very simple! We give Ole time until the end of the season and then bring
Erik ten Hag
Erik ten Hag
Looks like Ole is in for the season. I'm still confident the squad has enough quality to get top 4, which is bare minimum really. He'd have to seriously turn our campaign around and come within a few points of winning the league or a CL final to secure his job.
Both look unlikely, seen has Plan A has failed he's only now developing Plan B part way through the season.
In the meantime we can:
Both look unlikely, seen has Plan A has failed he's only now developing Plan B part way through the season.
In the meantime we can:
- Laugh at Spurs/Conte every time they drop points.
- Bombard the ten Hag/Ajax threads
- January transfer activity. Lingard/VDB/Martial - out. Midfielder links.
- We can be pretty certain that there will be a few more highs to come this season. Wouldn't be surprised to see us twat City or Chelsea and drop points at Watford.
Can see it now... a draw/loss tonight and then City give us a lesson on Saturday;
We won't do anything though, probably just hear positive spins of don't be too hasty - we're not far off top 4, which is all they care about or that it takes time for the new system to gel.
Yet another season wrote off.
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I think Conte’s making a massive career mistake here. Spurs will be his first big failure.
I've been Ole out since May '19. Yes, that long.
I was extremely livid, yesterday, at the club for what they did by passing up on Conte.
I also think this is going to backfire and that there is a good chance we may miss out on the Top 4.
My expectations for this season have plumetted incredibly. From wanting a strong title challenge at the beginning of the season, it's now about securing Top 4 and HOPING for a good UCL run.
With all that being said, I've accepted that OGS will be our coach till the end of the season - the board wanting Pochettino (I'm very skeptical on Poch) or Ten Hag (going for Rodgers would be unforgiveable) and with that acceptance, Ole's got my backing till the end of the season. I hope it ends well for us, he gets a good sending off rather than leaving during a toxic atmosphere.
The board can go feck themselves though. Always.
I was extremely livid, yesterday, at the club for what they did by passing up on Conte.
I also think this is going to backfire and that there is a good chance we may miss out on the Top 4.
My expectations for this season have plumetted incredibly. From wanting a strong title challenge at the beginning of the season, it's now about securing Top 4 and HOPING for a good UCL run.
With all that being said, I've accepted that OGS will be our coach till the end of the season - the board wanting Pochettino (I'm very skeptical on Poch) or Ten Hag (going for Rodgers would be unforgiveable) and with that acceptance, Ole's got my backing till the end of the season. I hope it ends well for us, he gets a good sending off rather than leaving during a toxic atmosphere.
The board can go feck themselves though. Always.
I hope for the club's sake, I hope for Ole's sake that we don't lose vs Atalanta and City, that too convincingly, because I don't know exactly what we'll do and how the fanbase will respond.
It will end up being pretty bad.
It will end up being pretty bad.
Nothing?
Us passing on Conte only means that we passed on Conte - he's known for being an abrasive, combustible character and has a lot of demands.
When Ole's time is up I'm hopeful we'll go with someone who'll take the great squad he's put together to the next level, a natural evolution rather than pivoting constantly like we did with Moyes, LvG, and Mou.
I don't think you understand the meaning of delusion. The evidence here is in form of the current odds. The betting market is very efficient and I don't recommend anyone to try to beat it. You can multiply your money by somewhere between 8-10 if you think they are set to finish top 4 (again, I don't recommend it).
Protest? Get more games called off to really make the Glazers sweat?
I dunno man, I just want these owners out the club, and Woodward to have pissed off yesterday.
I dunno man, I just want these owners out the club, and Woodward to have pissed off yesterday.
It's not tenable.
We were "told" he'd have 3 games to save his job at United. This after a 5-0 hammering to Liverpool. W1 and L2 is simply not acceptable and not tenable.
Here is my thought.
If top 4 was enough for the Glazers then they wouldn't have bothered spending 415m in the past 3 years. The reality is that the Glazers hate this lack of success and the bad PR it brings with it. It bad for their business model who relies heavily on a feeling good factor (ex Ronaldo's signing which sent the share prices to the roof and which allowed them to sell shares on a premium).
Unfortunately the club was too expensive for them which means that they need bankers at the very top of the pyramid to balance the books. That wouldn't be tragic if we had an efficient football side of the club that even things out. That's unfortunately not the case. All we have is a mix of ex United legends with zero clue how to run the club from an administration perspective and remnants of previous failed administrations (ex Murtough and Judge). Which leads us to were we are ie a board whose just scared of the proven winners like Conte as he might expose their incompetence and rock the boat too much. Someone like Ole, Rodgers or Pochs who had never won anything are far more 'manageable'
In my opinion what United need is a top CEO from the outside who knows football inside out and can't care less about nostalgia, legends and other BS. If I was a Glazer I would have pushed for Beppe Marotta long ago. The guy had been a football director since he was 21, he made his way up from hometown Varese (who became a Serie B side at the time) to the top teams, he had masterminded Juventus Serie A's rise and dominance throughout the past decade and its demise when he moved at Inter. The guy has the experience and the expertise to bring this sleeping giant back to its very best and knows a thing or two about balancing books having worked his way from Serie C1 to one of the oldest and finest clubs in the world.
Conte and Spurs only 2 points below us.
We're gonna be like three little Fonzies here. And what's Fonzie like? Cool.
We're gonna be cool.
Why? Cause Conte isn't the one to take us forward. Neither is Ole, but that's another topic.
I'm most certain that Ole will keep us in the hunt, maybe not with Chelsea and Liverpool, but we'll be there around....
Top 4 is guaranteed. Can't see any other teams better then us even with Ole at the wheel.
Be cool. First things first, we need a DoF. A capable one at that.
Then, identify the midfielder we need. Purchase the same motherfecker.
Get rid of more dead wood. VDB isn't gonna happen, so, cut the losses for both parties involved.
That goes with Bailly as well.
If we're not gonna give Henderson a chance, get him off too.
Martial off ASAP.
Then, think long term. Maybe even give Ole the DoF place and hire a capable coach. Save Ole some pride.
Ten Hag would be the option. Potter would be a good option.
Unfortunately, another season written off and it's not even December yet.
It's a reality for us, a one we need to change.
We're gonna be cool.
Why? Cause Conte isn't the one to take us forward. Neither is Ole, but that's another topic.
I'm most certain that Ole will keep us in the hunt, maybe not with Chelsea and Liverpool, but we'll be there around....
Top 4 is guaranteed. Can't see any other teams better then us even with Ole at the wheel.
Be cool. First things first, we need a DoF. A capable one at that.
Then, identify the midfielder we need. Purchase the same motherfecker.
Get rid of more dead wood. VDB isn't gonna happen, so, cut the losses for both parties involved.
That goes with Bailly as well.
If we're not gonna give Henderson a chance, get him off too.
Martial off ASAP.
Then, think long term. Maybe even give Ole the DoF place and hire a capable coach. Save Ole some pride.
Ten Hag would be the option. Potter would be a good option.
Unfortunately, another season written off and it's not even December yet.
It's a reality for us, a one we need to change.
This thread is so dramatic that you would think you are reading a teenaged girl´s diary.
Rodgers is a good appointment, could not care less about the Liverpool background. I would have had Conte too, but no reason to cry about it anymore. Ten Hag is a very risky appointment and I don´t think Potter is ready just yet.
Rodgers is a good appointment, could not care less about the Liverpool background. I would have had Conte too, but no reason to cry about it anymore. Ten Hag is a very risky appointment and I don´t think Potter is ready just yet.
Ah, we have a much better squad and Spurs have been awful for years. We are not in top shape but I don't think Spurs are our biggest threat for 4th. That group of players has been off pace since just before their Champions League Final. Conte is a great coach I think, but maybe that won't be enough.
They'll just keep quiet and wait for the storm to pass, and then players will post some PR bullshit on their pages and we move on. It's so depressing being a United fan nowadays.
That's the common mistake everyone makes. It's not about the amount of money spent, but how it is spent and why.
Look closer at the players we bought this summer. Out of Varane, Sancho and Ronaldo we only needed Varane. We bought Varane because he was going cheap in a Madrid fire sale. But still he was a very good buy in football terms.
Sancho was a young English talent coming to the end of his contract so he is basically a bargain who can be sold for far more in three years time - and crucially can be counted as a valuable and increasing asset on the club's balance sheet, thus helping the share price. The Glazers mainly care about the share price, not the results on the field. He may turn out to be a great player but buying him wasn't a huge priority in football terms when the midfield was such a mess.
Rondaldo sells shirts and drives overseas TV sales. He cost very little relative to his status, and high wages don't impact the share price in the same way as asset depreciation does. But while he is an upgrade in some ways, we already have loads of strikers - too many if anything.
None of that would matter if there weren't huge problems elsewhere on the pitch. 66% of our purchases were driven mainly by commercial and not footballing requirements. And so we end up with a striker we don't need, a winger that is not ready and NO FEKKIN DEFENSIVE MIDFIELD.
You see the problem? You think this is Ole's doing? Or is he just going along with it like a smiling popular yes man, in a way that a world class football manager never would? My money is on the latter.
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Pochettino isn't being mentioned enough.
There's no way he's staying at PSG beyond May. Maybe earlier if they get dumped out the CL early. And whenever he does leave them, assuming United still have Solskjaer or a caretaker, he'll become the immediate clear favourite.
There's no way he's staying at PSG beyond May. Maybe earlier if they get dumped out the CL early. And whenever he does leave them, assuming United still have Solskjaer or a caretaker, he'll become the immediate clear favourite.
If we keep up our patchy form I'm not sure we'll even end up a threat to 4th ourselves. I think Arsenal and West Ham are best of the rest currently, I'd have them as early favourites.
I think Thursdays could hinder West Ham a bit.
Conte agreed to join Spurs and must have been promised by Levy with funds available for Jan signings.
Conte can sort out the defence, it's his strongest point. Spurs have Kane and Son at the front. With some Jan signings I think Spurs will be there or thereabouts Top 4 this season.
Pochettino would be a bad appointment imo and is incredibly overrated as a manager. Really hope we stay clear of him.
I'd like to hope the board are buying themselves time to formulate a plan after this season - that's a big ask though.
He just isn't though, he's failed to get top 4 twice in a row when United and Chelsea were doing everything in their power to hand it to him. His record in Europe is arguably even worse than Solskjaer's. More to the point he is nowhere near as good as the managers of our rivals, he isn't better than a single one of Conte, Klopp, Tuchel or Guardiola which is the paramount concern. We can't accept second rate managers forever.
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