Next Man Utd Manager Expected To Be Jose Mourinho Or David Moyes

Twigginater said:
Pep would be interesting for sure.

I still would really like Laurent Blanc though. Doing a good job with France. They should comfortably top their qualifying.
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Nothing against Blanc but if he does not top this group questions need to be asked



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Randall Flagg said:
I would never have objected to David Moyes in the first place. As of rignt now I would take him over Jose
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Can't understand why Moyes is even in the frame, never won anything & no ambition. When the Villa position became available he should have put his hand up for it and shown what he can do with a bit of backing. His loyalty to Everton is misguided, like Le Tissier's loyalty to Southampton, Gerrard's to the Scouse etc Doesn't he want to prove himself at the highest level?

Don't want him anywhere near managing United please.
 
Colin129 said:
Can't understand why Moyes is even in the frame, never won anything & no ambition. When the Villa position became available he should have put his hand up for it and shown what he can do with a bit of backing. His loyalty to Everton is misguided, like Le Tissier's loyalty to Southampton, Gerrard's to the Scouse etc Doesn't he want to prove himself at the highest level?

Don't want him anywhere near managing United please.
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That's the thing for me as well. David Moyes just isn't tested, whereas Mourinho is tested... but is a complete tosser.

But there are far more options out there.
 
Colin129 said:
Can't understand why Moyes is even in the frame, never won anything & no ambition. When the Villa position became available he should have put his hand up for it and shown what he can do with a bit of backing. His loyalty to Everton is misguided, like Le Tissier's loyalty to Southampton, Gerrard's to the Scouse etc Doesn't he want to prove himself at the highest level?

Don't want him anywhere near managing United please.
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Aston Villa would hardly be a huge step forward compared to Everton; Lerner's supposedly generous backing is a thing of the past, these days they need to sell to buy, just like Everton and they aren't an inherently bigger club otherwise.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
You can not be serious.........
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I'm very serious. Mourinho, as of now, is by some distance the best candidate if Sir Alex decides to retire.

There simply isn't anyone else available with an even comparable record on the right side of 50.
 
Cal? said:
I'm very serious. Mourinho, as of now, is by some distance the best candidate if Sir Alex decides to retire.

There simply isn't anyone else available with an even comparable record on the right side of 50.
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A record for what? Think about what you are saying man.

Are trophies all you care about? I don't want a team of mercenaries who have no affiliation with our club or it's values. What would that make us?

It certainly would be Utd only in name.

Look at City, is that what you want? A Manchester club who has lost many of their hardcore fans because the club no longer represents City fans, it now represents the interests of Saudi businessmen.

Not for me Cal, i supported Utd when they were winning feck all, for me it's all about supporting my team and having pride in what it represents. Trophies are a bonus, not a necessity, once trophies become more important than the welfare of the club we have lost that what made us special.

If we lose our identity in the insatiable quest for trophies who are we actually winning for?
 
BaldwinLegend said:
According to Guillem Balague, Spanish TV is reporting that Mourinho is 'thinking of leaving Madrid as he doesn't feel backed by the board'.
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He's denied it, rightly so.

He's been given more power and authority than any real manager could ever dream of.

He has no excuses if he fails in Spain than to just say Pep was better than me and alot classier too.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
According to Guillem Balague, Spanish TV is reporting that Mourinho is 'thinking of leaving Madrid as he doesn't feel backed by the board'.
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Emotional blackmail. The general consensus in Spain is that Perez would be obliged to resign should Mourinho be anything less than successful. In fact, Real have backed JM to the hilt, and José knows it.
 
Wayne_Rooney said:
He's a Grade A cnut, Cal. I don't care if he shits trophies he hasn't got the class to take over.
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The psychological war Barcelona use against Real and Mourinho is finding new followers every day. The new mantra is that Guardiola is nobel hero and the "other one" is a classless idiot. Before Mourinho there where no conflicts between the two?? The old truth that the winner always write the history apply also in this case.

It will be interesting to see Sir Alex and the clubs view on this when it's time to find a new manager. I think they will not share your view.
 
7even said:
The psychological war Barcelona use against Real and Mourinho is finding new followers every day. The new mantra is that Guardiola is nobel hero and the "other one" is a classless idiot. Before Mourinho there where no conflicts between the two?? The old truth that the winner always write the history apply also in this case.

It will be interesting to see Sir Alex and the clubs view on this when it's time to find a new manager. I think they will not share your view.
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Did I miss Pep "fish-hooking" any of the RM coaching staff?
 
The story comes from some text messages from Mourinho's spokesman. He says it's an old number and they weren't sent by him.

I'm not convinced by this excuse btw, it's just another move by Jose to pressurize the board to do the Neymar deal. Btw Mourinho could get a 12 match ban for that eye-gauging thing.
 
Boss said:
He's denied it, rightly so.

He's been given more power and authority than any real manager could ever dream of.

He has no excuses if he fails in Spain than to just say Pep was better than me and alot classier too.
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Classier maybe but I don't think it's fair to draw the better conclusion, really. Is Fergie worse than Pep because he lost two finals to him and would probably lose another despite spending about 50 million this summer? Hell no. Pep isn't fit to clean Fergie's boots.

No matter who Real sign they simply can't match the Messi, Iniesta and Xavi combination (not to mention others). They're three of the best five players in the world with one being the best by a distance and, just as importantly, all three having grown up at the club.
 
7even said:
The psychological war Barcelona use against Real and Mourinho is finding new followers every day. The new mantra is that Guardiola is nobel hero and the "other one" is a classless idiot. Before Mourinho there where no conflicts between the two?? The old truth that the winner always write the history apply also in this case.

It will be interesting to see Sir Alex and the clubs view on this when it's time to find a new manager. I think they will not share your view.
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Why would Barcelona's (supposed) propaganda influence the thinking of United fans? No, José's words and actions speak for themselves...which is why many United supporters have changed their minds about the prospect of JM following Sir Alex.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Classier maybe but I don't think it's fair to draw the better conclusion, really. Is Fergie worse than Pep because he lost two finals to him and would probably lose another despite spending about 50 million this summer? Hell no. Pep isn't fit to clean Fergie's boots.

No matter who Real sign they simply can't match the Messi, Iniesta and Xavi combination (not to mention others). They're three of the best five players in the world with one being the best by a distance and, just as importantly, all three having grown up at the club.
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Pep vs Fergie is just one game. Also Sir Alex's sqaud hasn't cost anywhere near Reals. I don't buy into the whole xavi/iniesta/messi thing.

If Jose was as good as he claims to be, with the hugely invested squad he has, with the superior strength in depth and Cristiano Ronaldo he should be able to come up with something and has ultimately failed.

Laliga is a whole campaign, 38 games, and over that period Pep has outshone Mourinho, humilating Jose's side in the process. A 5-0 loss that would have never happened under Sir Alex.

Pep has now surpassed the trophy haul of Cruyff, he's no longer a small fish and can rightly be compared head to head with Mourinho who keeps losing out to him for somebody who is the 'special one'.

It's this sense of failure and helplessness against Pep that leads Jose to doing stupid things like putting a finger on Tito's eye. Jose thinks he should be able to outwit Pep with the personnel he has, he plans for weeks and it all comes to nothing.
 
Boss said:
Pep vs Fergie is just one game. Also Sir Alex's sqaud hasn't cose anywhere near Reals. I don't buy into the whole xavi/iniesta/messi thing.

If Jose was as good as he claims to be, with the hugely invested squad he has, with the superior strength in depth and Cristiano Ronaldo he should be able to come up with something and has ultimately failed.

Laliga is a whole campaign, 38 games, and over that period Pep has outshone Mourinho, humilating Jose's side in the process. A 5-0 loss that would have never happened under Sir Alex.

Pep has now surpassed the trophy haul of Cruyff, he's no longer a small fish and can rightly be compared head to head with Mourinho who keeps losing out to him for somebody who is the 'special one'.

It's this sense of failure and helplessness against Pep that leads Jose to doing stupid things like putting a finger on Tito's eye. He thinks he should be able to outwit him, he plans for days and it all comes to nothing.
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Boss said:
Pep vs Fergie is just one game. Also Sir Alex's sqaud hasn't cost anywhere near Reals. I don't buy into the whole xavi/iniesta/messi thing.

If Jose was as good as he claims to be, with the hugely invested squad he has, with the superior strength in depth and Cristiano Ronaldo he should be able to come up with something and has ultimately failed.

Laliga is a whole campaign, 38 games, and over that period Pep has outshone Mourinho, humilating Jose's side in the process. A 5-0 loss that would have never happened under Sir Alex.

Pep has now surpassed the trophy haul of Cruyff, he's no longer a small fish and can rightly be compared head to head with Mourinho who keeps losing out to him for somebody who is the 'special one'.

It's this sense of failure and helplessness against Pep that leads Jose to doing stupid things like putting a finger on Tito's eye. Jose thinks he should be able to outwit Pep with the personnel he has, he plans for weeks and it all comes to nothing.
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I won't defend Jose's behavior for sure. But Pepe has a huge advantage in this supposed 'battle' IMO. His team is miles ahead and have an understanding that is unique and special. Yes Fergie faced Pep twice in the CL final but had he been in the same league it would have made no difference, in the first year or two at least. I believe it's a one off team that's very very hard to compete with. It says more about the players and their understanding than the manager for me.

Btw, how has he 'ultimately failed'? He's been at Real for one season and won the Spanish Cup. Which manager would have surpassed this Barca team in one season forget two or three?
 
Boss said:
I'm saying if Sir Alex had Real's expensive sqaud, Cristiano included, no way would he lose 5-0 to Pep imo.

None of our sqauds have ever cost as much as Reals.
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And none of the teams that thrashed us in the Fergie era were even remotely comparable to Barcelona.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
I won't defend Jose's behavior for sure. But Pepe has a huge advantage in this supposed 'battle' IMO. His team is miles ahead and have an understanding that is unique and special. Yes Fergie faced Pep twice in the CL final but had he been in the same league it would have made no difference, in the first year or two at least. I believe it's a one off team that's very very hard to compete with. It says more about the players and their understanding than the manager for me.

Btw, how has he 'ultimately failed'? He's been at Real for one season and won the Spanish Cup. Which manager would have surpassed this Barca team in one season forget two or three?
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I think it's hypotehtical.

I don't think Barca are miles ahead of Real, but Mourinho apologists would always certainly say so.

The same Barca sqaud which had Iniesta/Xavi and Messi came fourth in the league before Pep's arrival, being beaten at home to the likes of Mallorca, losing to Real Madrid home and away.

This says to me that Pep has had a significant effect not only on the players being able to reach their true potential but on the discipline of the side.

Like I said he's no small fry and as a manager deserves alot of credit. It's Jose's own arrogant words that he wins the league everywhere he goes, well so far he's failed.

Siorac said:
And none of the teams that thrashed us in the Fergie era were even remotely comparable to Barcelona.
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Ok so you beleive Sir Alex would have lost by 5 goals or more if he was in Jose's position. Fair play to you.
 
Boss said:
Ok so you beleive Sir Alex would have lost by 5 goals or more if he was in Jose's position. Fair play to you.
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He could easily have lost 5-0 in the Final, at Wembley, if Barcelona had been as clinical as they were in the game at Camp Nou, it could have been even more.
 
'Mourinho’s behaviour in yet another defeat to Barcelona was so appalling that even Marca didn't bother trying to support the Madrid man after the event. “Mourinho knows what the coach of Madrid represents and this is not part of the roll,” wrote Santiago Segurola in Saturday’s edition, “he behaved like a little boy, incapable of accepting defeat.” The paper’s leading writer put some of the blame on Florentino Pérez for failing to control his coach and noted that “recent times have given the impression of a president who has given up considerable power.”'

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Boss said:
I'm saying if Sir Alex had Real's expensive sqaud, Cristiano included, no way would he lose 5-0 to Pep imo.

None of our sqauds have ever cost as much as Reals.
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Nor did anyone claim that Newcastle were the best team ever in the world.

Not even Middlesboro and Southampton got that status. Even if we did wear grey.

Anyway, here's Mourinho's official "I'm not leaving" statement
Real Madrid C.F. - Official Web Site - Letter from Jose Mourinho

Only those who don't know me can dream, make up or believe I may leave Real Madrid at this stage...

I believe many people were surprised by the quality football showcased by Real Madrid during the preseason and it would be surprising news to them if I left the club now. Impossible!

I have a fantastic President who is very intelligent and with whom I have a great friendship. I also have a Director General who works for the club 24 hours a day, so my motivation is enormous and my Madridismo is even greater than that of some pseudo-Madridistas...

There is no way I'm leaving. No way!

I also wish to apologise to Madridistas, and only to them, for my attitude in our last game. Some people are better adapted to the hypocrisy in football than I am, and they hide their faces and speak in whispers deep inside tunnels.

I'm not learning to be a hypocrite, and I don't want to.

Best wishes to all. We'll see each other tomorrow at the Santiago Bernabeu Stadium.
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Boss said:
I think it's hypotehtical.

I don't think Barca are miles ahead of Real, but Mourinho apologists would always certainly say so.
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Stop bracketing people into silly little boxes and claiming their opinions are predictable. It's childish.

Boss said:
The same Barca sqaud which had Iniesta/Xavi and Messi came fourth in the league before Pep's arrival, being beaten at home to the likes of Mallorca, losing to Real Madrid home and away.
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They were being terribly mismanaged. Even a team as good as that can be mismanaged and made to look infinitely worse than they actually were. Now they're being managed well. And Pep has done a good job. We disagree on how good a job he's done. That's fine.


Boss said:
It's Jose's own arrogant words that he wins the league everywhere he goes, well so far he's failed.
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Jose is an arrogant person. I'd just suggest you judge him using your own judgement of what should be deemed success/failure rather than using his quotes to figure it out. Just because he said he wins the league everywhere doesn't mean he has failed if he doesn't win it in his very first year.
 
Boss said:
Ok so you beleive Sir Alex would have lost by 5 goals or more if he was in Jose's position. Fair play to you.
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He could have lost 5-0. You, on the other hand, say he would never have done so. Which is weird as, for example, his United side was humiliated by a Chelsea team which was decidedly inferior, in a season (1999/2000) when we were head and shoulders above every other side in England.

And ever since that one 5-0 tonking, Barcelona and Real Madrid have played very close games. Mourinho doesn't have a Messi to tilt the balance in Madrid's favour in these tight games - and no, Ronaldo isn't that player.
 
Siorac said:
And ever since that one 5-0 tonking, Barcelona and Real Madrid have played very close games. Mourinho doesn't have a Messi to tilt the balance in Madrid's favour in these tight games - and no, Ronaldo isn't that player.
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And Jose has lost out on every occasion where it mattered apart from the extra time goal in the Copa del rey.

Not having Lionel Messi shouldn't be an excuse for the so called special one imo with the kind of players he has at his disposal.

Anyway lets see how he does this season. If the 12 match ban gets implemented which he has righly earned by the way due to his own inability to accept defeat, it may start off badly for his side once again.
 
apotheosis said:
A record for what? Think about what you are saying man.

Are trophies all you care about? I don't want a team of mercenaries who have no affiliation with our club or it's values. What would that make us?

It certainly would be Utd only in name.

Look at City, is that what you want? A Manchester club who has lost many of their hardcore fans because the club no longer represents City fans, it now represents the interests of Saudi businessmen.

Not for me Cal, i supported Utd when they were winning feck all, for me it's all about supporting my team and having pride in what it represents. Trophies are a bonus, not a necessity, once trophies become more important than the welfare of the club we have lost that what made us special.

If we lose our identity in the insatiable quest for trophies who are we actually winning for?
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How is that the case? If anything Mourinho is one of the only managers capable of uniting even the most fragmented squads. One thing you cannot deny is that Mourinho gets his players to play with passion and do everything they can for their manager (club).
 
Siorac said:
And ever since that one 5-0 tonking, Barcelona and Real Madrid have played very close games. Mourinho doesn't have a Messi to tilt the balance in Madrid's favour in these tight games - and no, Ronaldo isn't that player.
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Wolfgang Stark did much more than Messi to tilt the balance in Barca's favour.
 
Lol at the whole lot of you thinking we are where we were now due to good football, no.. sadly it's due to trophies.

Remember, it's not always rosy after SAF, We have a harmony dressing room because the gaffer is still there, I don't think the likes of Moyes, Blanc, Ole, will get respect from players like Rooney, Rio, Evra... not saying they're cnuts, but at the moment SAF is the captain, the same might not be the same if a lesser manager is brought in.

God knows what drama we'll have to face week in week out after SAF's retiring, the media will love to torn us piece by piece, relating everything the manager does to SAF, we need a strong character to ride the aftermath of SAF's retiring.

Be careful what you wish for, having Moyes on the board will make us Liverpool in 20 years time, winning feck all, and living on past glory.
 
Cal? said:
How is that the case? If anything Mourinho is one of the only managers capable of uniting even the most fragmented squads. One thing you cannot deny is that Mourinho gets his players to play with passion and do everything they can for their manager (club).
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That may well be the case, but only when he has had about £100m to spend.

Passion borne from what Cal? Would you say it was from a love of the game? I most certainly would not.

The passion Mourinho instills is forged with anger and cynicism, which is then regularly and publicly reinforced and fuelled with a fury of injustice, culminating in both he and his players showing disrespect and disdain for opponents, the officials, other managers, the ruling bodies, even the rules of the game itself.

He shows no respect for anyone involved in the game, and i have no doubt that as the season progresses and the pressure increases, he will swiftly resort to causing unrest between Madrid's fansand players and Madrid's board, undoubtedly blaming them for his failings as he did at Chelsea.

He is a narcissist with a Napoleon complex, who will stoop to any depths to lay the blame for his own failings at the feet of others. I shudder to think what state our club would be in after 2 seasons of Mourinho. I honestly don't believe Perez would ever have considered it possible that within 18 months of Mourinho, the reputation of Spanish football, enjoying their most successful period ever, could have dropped so far, so quickly.

You may believe that trophy records are all that matter in choosing a candidate to replace Fergie, but i hope and pray by the time the great man goes, there is either an equally successful candidate or that Mourinho's antics will have forced him out of football altogether. Hopefully both scenarios will come true.
 
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