If it wasn't for Abromovic's meddling at Chelsea and giving him unlimited funds? He'd probably be there now as a midtable manager.
Next Man Utd Manager Expected To Be Jose Mourinho Or David Moyes
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
If it wasn't for Abromovic's meddling at Chelsea and giving him unlimited funds? He'd probably be there now as a midtable manager.
Don't talk gibberish, they were 6th place at worst in the three years before Romans money, hardly think Jose would have done any worse than that.
We know this to be untrue given Jose's success at Porto and Inter, and Chelsea for that matter. In each instance taking them from one level to a distinctly better one - and as we've seen since he left each of these clubs, they haven't fared nearly as well.
If it wasn't for Abramovich, Jose wouldn't be there in the first place.
Absolute nonsense.
People may not like José for whatever reasons but you can't deny he is a fantastic manager. His record literally speaks for itself.
No they haven't fared nearly as well. After he got fired from Chelsea his team were terrible, he appeared to Traveller Inter out and then jump ship, and he's arguably taken Real Madrid backwards.
Either way he's had money available at each club, and has always spent massively.
He didn't spend massively ahead of his second season at Inter. He did sign a few players, but they were good value signings. Such as a certain lad a lot of fans here would love us to sign for tons of money. He got Sneijder for 15m Euro or so. He got Lucio for 5m, he got Eto'o as part of the Ibrahimovic deal. It was a summer Fergie would be proud of in terms of value and quality...
The idea he knackered Inter or Chelsea out is as silly as claims Redknapp is at fault for Southampton or Portsmouth's problems after he left. Had Inter not appointed Benitez, they would have won the Italian League again. Not Europe, no. They haven't won it before Mourinho either.
Chelsea also got it wrong with Scolari. Mind you, in the same season Mourinho was sacked they were so close to the league and european double despite not having a manager (Grant? You're having a laugh!). His work was that good...
You can't ignore how he improved Chelsea and Chelsea's status. A team with tons of money when he arrived, to a team that you expect to challenge for everything every year since. And Inter, a club that had been counting decades without the European cup, finally got their hands on it. Having spent tons and replaced coaches and players for years and years, not even coming close.
So now it's his fault that his replacement aren't as good as he it?
Real Madrid have made the CL semi for the 1st time in 7 seasons, backwards?
Eh? Granted the team he left behind at Chelsea was aging but wasn't he only allowed to make free signings in the Summer he left? IIRC he only brought in Sidwell, Deco and Ballack.
Also, the Inter team he left was far from knackered. It's practically the same squad that Mourinho did the treble with. It's hardly Mourinho's fault that Benitez is useless.
There's certainly more than a whif of an agenda with all your posts on Mourinho. I understand you may not want him at United but to try and discredit his astonishing managerial career is all a bit silly really.
So now it's his fault that his replacement aren't as good as he it?
Real Madrid have made the CL semi for the 1st time in 7 seasons, backwards?
That's hardly an achievement considering what they've spent, in all honesty.
How much did they spend last summer? Not a lot compared to previous summers.
It is given their failure to get that far for many years. Finishing 2nd to what is probably one of the great club sides in football history, and getting to the CL semis is pretty good. And who knows, they might go further.
But still a lot by anyone elses standards
Money is no guarantee for success, just look at City.
15 mil on Ozil
13 mil on Khiedra
8 mil on Carvalho
25 mil on Di Maria (11 mil as incentives as well.
So around 61 million. And then Adabayor I guess as well.
All that and they are in the running to win the CL. Not bad at all.
And also all the signings made big impacts except maybe Khiedra.
You are joking right?
Very good manager, yes.
Complete and utter cock? Yes.
Do I want.....No thank you.
Complete and utter cock? Yes.
Do I want.....No thank you.
Pretty much.
Most outside of United would say Sir Alex is a complete and utter cock.
About what ? Winning the CL ? No I'm not.
They'd be wrong.
This.
They'd be headline readers, much like a lot of people here are regarding Mourinho (or any manager who isn't ours). Fair enough, but it doesn't mean you get the right measure of the man.
It was pre-Internet days, but I can't help but wonder how some of Fergie's antics at Aberdeen (I read he missed tons of matches because of various bans) would have been seen here... Criticising his players after WINNING a cup because he didn't think their performance was good enough, then apologising it. Some of his duels with Wenger earlier on, like telling him to 'keep his mouth shut. Firmly shut' in Wenger's first season at Arsenal. Oh dear!
Not that (although there's no way they'll get past Barca). He's spent approx 80 million Euros this Summer on top of the most expensively assembled squad in history and you're impressed they're in the CL semis?
You forgot Leon for 10mil and Canales for 5mil.
So they're wrong about SAF but you're not about Mourinho, and you can't see why the fact you support United might effect your judgement on this. Talk about blinkered.
Of course the fact I support United effects my judgement. Why would it not? Why would I want it not to. I know Fergie's a great man. A legend. I couldn't care what other fans think. You'd be hard pressed to find a manager who wouldn't stand by Fergie.
you amuse me
Our fans literally sing 'we're man united we'll do what we want'
Our boss is hated by a LOT of ppl (media, rivals, the FA, etc)
Our players are/were despised but have/had the swagger (ala Cantona, Rooney, Ronaldo, et all)
And you think Jose wouldn't fit in?!
No. He's classless. Our players are mostly well behaved, and Ferguson is one of the most well liked members of the game. He has a great relationship with most PL managers.
Our fans sing that ironically. To wind people up.
Mourinho is just classless. Some of his comments on Ranieri, Capello and Wenger are disgusting. Don't want him near my great club.
I'm not impressed. Just saying they are where they should be after their investment in players and bringing Mourinho in.
Ronaldo behaved exemplary throughout his stay here. His winking doesn't effect me at all. So what if he winked to a manager. He trained spectacularly well and become the best player in the world. Well done that lad.
Rooney is a bit of an embarrassment at times, still I think most of his shameful qualities are because he's so aggressive on the football pitch.
Well done Cantona. Well in on kicking that racist thugs face in.
We have players like Giggs, Sir Alex, Neville, Scholes, Berbatov and Ferdinand who are model professionals.
That's fair enough. But football's history is full of cases when teams spent money and their achievements didn't match their outlays. Even us. We surely weren't supposed to finish 3rd in 2002 after winning three titles and then signing Veron and Van Nistelrooy. Being able to spend money and justify it with results should be respected as well. It's not a given.
They should also be top of the league if Mourinho was as good as he's made out to be, they're going to lose out to a team that plays better football, was assembled for significantly less money and contains lots of former academy players.
Eh? He's a football coach, not a miracle worker.
The current Barca side are probably one of the better sides in the history of football, so no one can fault Mourinho for not being better in his first year. That said, he's just dumped Barca out with Inter less than 12 months ago, so he's got as good a chance as anyone of doing it again.