Nope, I didn't mention him being British.
My point was that he shouldn't simply be dismissed because he's never won anything.
I then posted the following quote from Fergie
A quote which you conveniently chose to ignore.
Next Man Utd Manager Expected To Be Jose Mourinho Or David Moyes
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Nope, I didn't mention him being British.
My point was that he shouldn't simply be dismissed because he's never won anything.
I then posted the following quote from Fergie
A quote which you conveniently chose to ignore.
No I didn't ignore it bro, I am alternating between watching tv and posting in other threads, I didn't see it and trust me, it's a great find but where does it say Moyes is so good I hope he'll by my successor?
Here he praises Hodgson for is Fulham efforts prior to Woy taking the Scouse job;
Sir Alex Ferguson leads praise for Roy Hodgson's Fulham miracle | Football | The Guardian
Here he praises Holloway;
Sir Alex Ferguson praises Blackpool manager Ian Holloway - Premier League, Football - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk
Here he praises Tony Pulis;
Sir Alex Ferguson praises Stoke with dig at Arsene Wenger | Football
That was literally a two minute job, I'm sure if you dig over 25 years, or more relevantly over the last nine-ten years, you will find much more praise for other managers including Otmmar Hitzfeld who was touted as next Utd manager back in 2002, as was Eriksson.
Actually Hitzfeld is another name to add to the 'I'd rather have him than Moyes' list - probably even Hodgson as well
I reckon I could easily get to 20 realistic names before considering Moyes
I reckon I could easily get to 20 realistic names before considering Moyes
My point wasn't that he believes Moyes should be his successor, I was pointing out that you can't simply judge Moyes based on what he has won, a sentiment which Fergie appears to share.
Hitzfeld is past it really...if there's such a thing.
Just like Felix what's his name who just got binned.
A few years ago, I'd be mentioning Van Basten, Klinsmann even and Rijkaard but none have shown their early promise.
If a few Reds remember, the Roma manager (was it Spiletti?) with the bald head, he was touted as our next manager by a lot of posters here because he got Roma to the QF's of the CL and Udinese to the knockouts the year before, more than anything and I haven't heard anything from him since.
No mate, let's get it right you were justifying your suggestion of Moyes as future United manager by a Ferguson quote.
True on all points, but I would still have them all ahead of Moyes
Oh yeah, me too mate - I'm just pointing out the quick and easy choices the United fans have made.
I've made daft comparisons too and I'll probbaly regret saying Ryan Giggs should be considered in a few years (!!!) but I can't believe people on here are pulling me up as some sort of thick twat for suggesting Guardiola when they're offering DAVID MOYES...
I just don't like feeling made to be a mug for a suggestion like that, which may seem elaborate but he's already stated he may leave Barca and Barca only offer year long contracts with the longest manager staying five seasons (Cruyff/Rijkaard joint record).
So you'd rather have a 62 year old German, with zero experience of managing in the Premier League, and who's been essentially out of club management for the last 7 years over someone who knows the league and culture inside out?
I've got a feeling a lot of your 'realistic' names either wouldn't take the job or be in a position to take it. I don't think Hitzfeld, for example, would take it.
No, I can assure you I wasn't.
I see what you're saying but Hitzfeld would still be a far better choice given his credentials than Moyes, with feck all.
And no, I wouldn't want Hitzfeld.
So what was your point then our kid?
Moyes is a fantastic manager, every manager would find it difficult in the end if they must sell their best players all the time and not having money to replace them. I don't think he's the right man though for the job, but a great manager still.
Yes because Hitzfeld is a winner and has European pedigree, Moyes has neither on his CV which is why he will never even be in the running.
Anyway I was gave you a more serious list earlier, obviously I am just taking the piss with Hitzfeld.
Our kid? Hmmmm
Surely you know what my point is, I've posted it at least twice already.
Looking at the current managerial map in Europe, people with proven track records, trophies won, having show the ability to work in England, etc. And assuming, yes, that winning will be the thing that whoever makes the decision will think of first, I just can't look beyond Mourinho. Blanc is a nice option, but he wouldn't get a mention here if he hadn't played for us.
If Fergie comes up with the name Guardiola, it'll be taken into consideration, even though I don't think it's the best choice since he's only worked at one club where the situation was quite comfortable for him. But if his suggestion will be a shocker, an unlikely one like Solskjaer, Phelan, etc, then they'll go a different route. They will dismiss Fergie's suggestion if they don't think it's the route they want to take, yes.
Won the league and Cup with Zenit in the season passed, currently top of the league. I'd still definitely be having him on the list of managers worth looking at.
I think SAF is as likely to 'come up with' Albert the kit man as a suggestion as he is Mick Phelan. I mean, seriously...
I'll ask again, would you like to see a British manager appointed, or are you happy to see the first foreign manager appointed?
By the way, if SAF did 'come up' with Guardiola as a successor, it would be from the perspective of actually knowing something about Guardiola, rather than being a muppet on a football forum who relies on the scant information available in the press.
Incidentally, the last time the board looked at getting a successor they managed to come very close to appointing Sven Goran Erikkson, who at the time would have fulfilled many of the criteria you suggest are important.
I've always liked Spalletti. His Roma side were certainly more attack minded than any other team in Serie A.
I don't suppose Fergie will suggest Phelan, but Scoreboard Red talked about Fergie going for a name that will raise people eyebrows... Well, Phelan will! Just an afterthought, really. It won't happen, of course.
I'd absolutely love to see a British manager appointed. However, nationality won't be a huge consideration if there isn't a british manager who has done enough to warrant getting the job. As of April 2011, I don't think there is. I don't mind going the foreign route, especially if it's a manager who has shown he does 'get' what British football is about, which is part of the appeal of Mourinho. At least compared with good european coaches who have yet to work in England.
If Fergie says Guardiola, it will have a huge bearing on the appointment of his successor, no question about that. His decision could very well tip it in favour of one of the people who tick a lot of the boxes. But what I said was that if he suggests a name that doesn't tick a lot of the boxes, his opinion is not going to be enough.
I don't know if Fergie will go for Mourinho. Nor do I know if, say, Guardiola will be interested in the job. Being the first one after Fergie will be quite tough for a lot of coaches and some may actually fear it. I don't think Mourinho will, he'll relish it. I just think he ticks most of the boxes, more than anyone else.
As for Eriksson, what a mistake that would have been. Having said that, I didn't want him anywhere near the club, so it helps me trust my judgement regarding Mourinho a little better! Not that I think they are too similar. Eriksson never coached an english club (up to 2002), didn't have balls of steel or won the European Cup... He just didn't have the character to take a job like United and stamp his authority on it.
anyone but your mate martin.
As far as I see how it'll happen, I think Fergie will go at the end of next year, after Blanc leads France far in the Euro's. I think it'll be between him and Mourinho.
Great contribution, thanks.
Hate to spoil your little Barbie and Ken dream home scenario, but an awful lot could go tits up in that between now and then.
Firstly, I suspect SAF will stay on beyond then - he and key figures at United have suggested as much.
What would happen if France go out early in the Euros? Or if things start to turn sour for Mourinho at Madrid next year? Or if Mourinho fails to win a trophy in his two seasons there till then?
Yep, and in style too. Inventive tactics, creativity throughout the team and very successful. Still, there were questions about some of his transfers (Baptista? Riise? Loria?) and even though tactically he looked good with that different system, and making the change from the 352 to a 4231 so seamlessly is difficult enough in itself never mind the players and style he used to do it, he didn't show a lot of flexibility when it wasn't working or injuries came about. And something about him being an excessively demanding manager in training.
Questions about every manager though, at least he's an interesting choice.
It should elevate him above a veteran player with no management experience. Going for an untried rookie after Fergie would be suicidal but having said that, I don't think Moyes will be a contender.
How's it suicidal though? Look, I'm not saying we SHOULD get Giggs in as manager, but to me it wouldn't be a complete no-no, he has his badges and knows the ins and outs of the team, has the manager confide in him, is United through and through and has the same winning mentality as Ferguson.
Preferably, I'd like a manager with experience and proven ability to win, not just a manager who is British and has apparently excelled with Everton; if he had excelled, Everton would be up there challenging and winning trophies...
I know it's not fashionable but I would be happy with Steve Bruce as SAF's successor. Sunderland play the right way, he's brought a few young players into the team and he seems to have an eye for a bargain. The fans would all be behind Bruce from the start, so would the players. SAF has left behind a machine that really doesn't need to be overhauled just maintained, I think Bruce could do the job.
Well that's where we disagree. I cannot envisage a scenario where the board opt for an untested manager to succeed Ferguson and that's why I'm of the opinion that there will only be two serious contenders - Guardiola and Mourinho - with the likes of Spaletti, Gasperini, Villas Boas and Blanc coming under the radar.
Take it you didn't read the bit where I said I don't think Moyes will be a major contender?
Even a horse with blinders can see that Mourinho wants to manage us.
It's the last bit that sticks out for me - he just can't stop praising Manchester United!
It's the last bit that sticks out for me - he just can't stop praising Manchester United!
Hahahah David Moyes 
I would prefer Mick McCarthy at this point
I would prefer Mick McCarthy at this point
Moyes is a class manager, I don't think anyone can dispute that.
Whether or not he's a suitable successor to Sir Alex is an entirely different matter, considering he has no experience at the top level. We could do worse but it'd be a massive gamble.
Whether or not he's a suitable successor to Sir Alex is an entirely different matter, considering he has no experience at the top level. We could do worse but it'd be a massive gamble.
It's Jose. No doubt.
SAF was hardly a big name when he came to us 20+ years ago. Probably not even as big as Moyes is now, and look at the job he's done here. I'm not saying Moyes could replicate any such success, but to say he's not got enough silverware or success is unfair. Everton have done very well to maintain Premiership status for all these years and furthermore get 4th spot in one. Moyes has had some impressive signings considering the money he has had.
I don't know that I've ever seen a manager of such a major club(s) have such a continuing public hard-on for another job that isn't even open at the moment. It's almost embarrassing.
Sir Alex had already won a shit load of silverware previously though. Moyes has won nothing.
All relative though. He's achieved the maximum he could realistically achieve at Everton. The consistent top 8 finishes, CL qualification in 2005, and the run to the cup final all constitute to a trophy at a top club IMO when considering the players at his disposal and funds he's been able to use.
Overachieving with a smaller club is much easier than going and managing a club with incredible ambitions.
Hodgson has shown that it is difficult to go from a club with a mentality of being happy with winning perhaps 1/3 games to going to a club that expects to win every single week. Not to mention the absolute enormity of managing Everton Vs United. The media focus every week is immense. Somewhere like Everton cannot prepare you for it. Not to mention the extra added scrutiny of replacing the greatest British manager of all time.
Even Fergie said that it took him 4 years to understand the politics and structure of United and he didn't really realize how big this place was. And that was back in 1986. This is a much much bigger club now.
Moyes IMO is better off going and trying to win things somewhere else first. Even Scotland won't be too bad. Places like Celtic and Rangers have similar expectations domestically to somewhere like United. Plus he'd get champions league managing experience.
Of the list of managers currently out there and realistically have a chance, Jose Mourinho is the only one with sufficient experience to insure a seamless transition from the Fergie era. He is well respected and he can handle the pressures well. Heck he thrives in it. He has the personality to do it. He has the ego for it. He'd make a fine United manager.
The only similarities I see between Fergie and Moyes at the moment is that they are Scots and have a bit of a temper.
In Scotland? Hardly the same as the English league really.