Next Man Utd Manager Expected To Be Jose Mourinho Or David Moyes

evra said:
What's that got to do with anything? The point was that SAF put out an incredibly attacking side in arguably the toughest game of the season, this illustrates the difference between him and Mourinho.
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Many will argue failure to reproduce that Inter "park the airbus" performance at the Nou Camp is Mourinho's biggest mistake this season.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
What's Vassel got to do with Moyes? Moyes has bought a consistent level of excellence to his job - not something I'd associate with Vassel. It's a rubbish comparison.

You might not like him but he deserves to be on the list. If doing highly respected work for a decade in the PL doesn't get you looked at by a higher ranked PL club then what will?

12 out of Manchester United's 19 managers have been English, of the other seven only O'Farrell from RoI came from outside the UK. I think before we go and offer Hiddink, Mourinho or whoever else is flavour of the month at the time a massive contract it's right that the likes of Moyes, McLeish and Bruce should be seriously considered. You should consider what they could do with the infrastructure and resources available to them at United, not Everton or Birmingham FC.

You might be barmily keen on Giggs today, but until three years ago Roy Keane would have been seen as a far more likely candidate to succeed SAF, and look how that worked out.
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You accuse SR of rubbish comparisons, just five minutes after you compare Albert the Kit man with Giggsy. Well done on that.
 
"David hasn't got the credit he deserves.

"When you take everything into consideration, he's done an incredible job at Everton.

"He has not had the resources of other clubs but got all his younger players on long contracts and built around them with the likes of Phil Jagielka, Tim Cahill and Joleon Lescott.

"The signings he has made have been terrific and it means he has continuity for years." - Sir Alex Ferguson
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BaldwinLegend said:
What's Vassel got to do with Moyes? Moyes has bought a consistent level of excellence to his job - not something I'd associate with Vassel. It's a rubbish comparison.
You might not like him but he deserves to be on the list. If doing highly respected work for a decade in the PL doesn't get you looked at by a higher ranked PL club then what will?
12 out of Manchester United's 19 managers have been English, of the other seven only O'Farrell from RoI came from outside the UK. I think before we go and offer Hiddink, Mourinho or whoever else is flavour of the month at the time a massive contract it's right that the likes of Moyes, McLeish and Bruce should be seriously considered. You should consider what they could do with the infrastructure and resources available to them at United, not Everton or Birmingham FC.You might be barmily keen on Giggs today, but until three years ago Roy Keane would have been seen as a far more likely candidate to succeed SAF, and look how that worked out.
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First off, I haven't said Giggs is my first choice to replace Fergie did I, I said he's a potential candidate maybe and said he'd be better than Moyes, secondly out of those 19 managers, two make up over 50 years between them so I dunno what your point is there about that, thirdly Hiddink is slightly younger than Fergie and I don't want Mourinho as I've said and lastly your choices in manager in what I take as a 'has to be British or nowt' mentality are underwhelmingly ambitionless. These are extremely mid-level managers mate you've chosen, sorry...
 
Bryan_Munich said:
He may or may not be good enough for United, I wouldn't be surprised if he's on the short list though.
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So much depends on the timing of Fergie's retirement. But let's just assume we're talking about the here and now...

Well, I'm not sure there is a short list. I think that as long as Mourinho is available and willing, it's over. I don't think they'll be sitting with a list of names saying, 'So, Mourinho, Moyes or Blanc. Pros and cons, people?'. It'll be over before it even starts, a done deal.

I know people have problems with Mourinho. In some of their complaints they are right, in some they are dead wrong. How many managers would have given Crouch a pat like he did yesterday? Every manager has his advantages and disadvantages. But it won't matter. As of April 2011, the United job is a race consisting of one.
 
Amir said:
Nothing, just a matter of being accurate. What is shows is that for this one game, Fergie put on an attacking (not an 'incredibly attacking') side. For many other matches, he did not. Are you telling me Mourinho never did such a thing?
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There's a fine line between being accurate and pedantic, anyone who watched that game objectively would say that utd were the better side in the first half and dominated most of it.

As for your other point it's just one of many examples, he's played two strikers against Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Marseille, Valencia and Spurs this season. When Mourinho comes up against a team that has a similar level of quality to his own he is more cautious than SAF is in a similar situation.

The best indicator of what he would do in the Prem with utd is what he did at Chelsea, I really don't want to watch utd playing that kind of football. Some people want to go back and rewrite history, pretend that his Chelsea were anything other than "Mega-Bolton" I'm sorry they were tedious to watch, that was the overwhelming consensus at the time.
 
Amir said:
So much depends on the timing of Fergie's retirement. But let's just assume we're talking about the here and now...

Well, I'm not sure there is a short list. I think that as long as Mourinho is available and willing, it's over. I don't think they'll be sitting with a list of names saying, 'So, Mourinho, Moyes or Blanc. Pros and cons, people?'. It'll be over before it even starts, a done deal.

I know people have problems with Mourinho. In some of their complaints they are right, in some they are dead wrong. How many managers would have given Crouch a pat like he did yesterday? Every manager has his advantages and disadvantages. But it won't matter. As of April 2011, the United job is a race consisting of one.
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He's going to have a long wait by the look of it.

https://www.redcafe.net/f6/piano-lid-closed-ferguson-dismisses-talk-retirement-325360/
 
BaldwinLegend said:
Which 10 realistically available managers would you rather see at United?
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Well without giving it too much thought, here is a list of 10:

Jose
Guardiola
Capello
Hiddink
O'Neill
Blanc
Van Gaal
Cantona
Bruce
Redknapp

Admittedly I wouldnt want to see any of the last 4 replacing Fergie but I would still choose them ahead of Moyes
 
Do people not think that the fact Sir Alex considers Mourinho a very close friend suggest that he's not really an uber-cnut?

I still think really he's just an uber-wum and mass manipulator, like Sir Alex. A bit of a prat too I'm sure, but hardly enough to not want him at the club.
 
evra said:
As for your other point it's just one of many examples, he's played two strikers against Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Marseille, Valencia and Spurs this season. When Mourinho comes up against a team that has a similar level of quality to his own he is more cautious than SAF is in a similar situation.
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Except he's not. I've no intention of looking at it game by game, as formations and the personnel is only a part of football tactics anyway, but in the final against Bayern he played with Pandev, Milito and Eto'o (though he was stationed on the right). And that's just one game that came to mind. The biggest game.

Oh, and apparently this was Mourinho's team in the 0-5 against Barca, for which you claimed : 'it's when Mourinho comes up against a challenge that he reverts to his old defensive midfielder-fest. See Madrid v Barca earlier in the season'.

# Iker Casillas,
# Ricardo Carvalho,
# Kepler Pepe,
# Sergio Ramos,
# Junior Marcelo (Alvaro Arbeloa, 60),
# Xabi Alonso,
# Angel Di Maria,
# Mesut Ozil (Lassana Diarra, L, 46),
# Sami Khedira,
# Cristiano Ronaldo,
# Karim Benzema

Xabi Alonso, Di Maria and Ozil in midfield, Marcelo at the back... Ronaldo and Benzema ahead of them. What's the bloody problem? Where is the defensive formation and team selection? It ain't there!

Fergie has actually used a two-striker system quite regularly this season in the bigger games, but in recent years the one striker was almost a certainty in those matches. So even assuming Mourinho is worse, which I don't believe... Fergie has changed and varied, why can't Mourinho?
 
Brwned said:
Do people not think that the fact Sir Alex considers Mourinho a very close friend suggest that he's not really an uber-cnut?

I still think really he's just an uber-wum and mass manipulator, like Sir Alex. A bit of a prat too I'm sure, but hardly enough to not want him at the club.
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SAF also seemed to be pretty friendly with Gordon Brown and Tony Blair.......
 
to be honest, I think whoever will take over from the great man will feel not right for us fans. We are so familiar with our man fergie, that to see anyone else chewing gum in the dug out seems to unreal to contemplate. I'm sure we will give whoever it is a chance, but I just don't think there will be one helluva lot of patience. ferguson has set a bar that is one bloody difficult one to even match let alone surpass!!
 
Amir said:
Except he's not. I've no intention of looking at it game by game, as formations and the personnel is only a part of football tactics anyway, but in the final against Bayern he played with Pandev, Milito and Eto'o (though he was stationed on the right). And that's just one game that came to mind. The biggest game.

Oh, and apparently this was Mourinho's team in the 0-5 against Barca, for which you claimed : 'it's when Mourinho comes up against a challenge that he reverts to his old defensive midfielder-fest. See Madrid v Barca earlier in the season'.

# Iker Casillas,
# Ricardo Carvalho,
# Kepler Pepe,
# Sergio Ramos,
# Junior Marcelo (Alvaro Arbeloa, 60),
# Xabi Alonso,
# Angel Di Maria,
# Mesut Ozil (Lassana Diarra, L, 46),
# Sami Khedira,
# Cristiano Ronaldo,
# Karim Benzema

Xabi Alonso, Di Maria and Ozil in midfield, Marcelo at the back... Ronaldo and Benzema ahead of them. What's the bloody problem? Where is the defensive formation and team selection? It ain't there!

Fergie has actually used a two-striker system quite regularly this season in the bigger games, but in recent years the one striker was almost a certainty in those matches. So even assuming Mourinho is worse, which I don't believe... Fergie has changed and varied, why can't Mourinho?
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So two defensive midfielders! That match Real hardly crossed the halfway line, he tried to contain Barca and failed miserably. Clearly SAF is a more attacking manager than Mourinho, I can't believe anyone would question that.
 
evra said:
SAF also seemed to be pretty friendly with Gordon Brown and Tony Blair.......
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Well if you want to go down the route of he surrounds himself with loads of twattish people then that could add credence to the claims that Sir Alex is a twat. A wideheld opinion by many fans outside United (and even some United fans).

Which would suggest personality's aren't really that important.
 
I'll make a bold prediction and state NO-ONE here knows who will be United's next manager, and knowing Fergie the eventual choice, as I'm sure it will be predominantly his say or at least recommendation, will raise more than a few eyebrows with a few people.
 
evra said:
So two defensive midfielders! That match Real hardly crossed the halfway line, he tried to contain Barca and failed miserably. Clearly SAF is a more attacking manager than Mourinho, I can't believe anyone would question that.
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Is playing Khedira and Xabi Alonso more defensive than using say, Fletcher and Carrick, as we have done plenty of times this season? Alonso is a great passer and far more than a 'defensive midfielder'. Just like Carrick (used to be). Christ, your desperate.

I do actually believe Fergie's instincts are more attacking than Mourinho. You're right there. But when it comes to the big matches, they are just as likely to try and kill them off. And there are enough times BOTH don't try that.
 
I like Villas Boas, Klopp, and Bruce.

Moyes should not be considered.
 
Scoreboard Red said:
I'll make a bold prediction and state NO-ONE here knows who will be United's next manager, and knowing Fergie the eventual choice, as I'm sure it will be predominantly his say or at least recommendation, will raise more than a few eyebrows with a few people.
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If he suggests Moyes or Solskjaer or anything like that, the owners will tell him 'thank you very much', and appoint someone else.

They'll be looking for a proven manager before anything else. No matter who Fergie recommends.
 
If we come up against Barcelona this season you can be quite sure Ferguson will use at least 2 midfielders in defensive roles. Last time we played them he used a defensive winger, the previous season Rooney and Tevez were used as Full backs.
 
Amir said:
If he suggests Moyes or Solskjaer or anything like that, the owners will tell him 'thank you very much', and appoint someone else.

They'll be looking for a proven manager before anything else. No matter who Fergie recommends.
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This is the same board (more or less personnel wise) who stuck by Fergie for FOUR seasons before he won a trophy when he was 'for the sack' every week, they trust this man explicitly and will of of course have final say but will take his recommendation into extreme consideration.
If he really wanted Solskjaer, it would be because Fergie feels Ole has the making of United's next manager and he would present his reasons why and the board would take that on.
 
Amir said:
Is playing Khedira and Xabi Alonso more defensive than using say, Fletcher and Carrick, as we have done plenty of times this season? Alonso is a great passer and far more than a 'defensive midfielder'. Just like Carrick (used to be). Christ, your desperate.

I do actually believe Fergie's instincts are more attacking than Mourinho. You're right there. But when it comes to the big matches, they are just as likely to try and kill them off. And there are enough times BOTH don't try that.
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*Bites tongue*

Alonso has a good range of passing but how does that stop him being a defensive midfielder? I can see the comparison between Carrick and Alonso but Khedira is a player with more defensive responsibility than Fletcher, Fletcher is a box to box midfielder who is always involved high up the pitch. Anyway you've agreed that Ferguson is a more attacking manager than Mourinho so we have nothing left to argue about.
 
Scoreboard Red said:
This is the same board (more or less personnel wise) who stuck by Fergie for FOUR seasons before he won a trophy when he was 'for the sack' every week, they trust this man explicitly and will of of course have final say but will take his recommendation into extreme consideration.
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Isn't the current board full of Glazers now? You be bet your life it's NOT the same people who'll be making the choice. Even if we're talking about people who trust his judgement, they won't go for an 'eyebrows raising' appointment based on his recommendation
 
Amir said:
If he suggests Moyes or Solskjaer or anything like that, the owners will tell him 'thank you very much', and appoint someone else.

They'll be looking for a proven manager before anything else. No matter who Fergie recommends.
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I imagine Fergie would recommend a proven manager too.

Has Mourinho now become the only "proven" manager out there?
 
kietotheworld said:
If we come up against Barcelona this season you can be quite sure Ferguson will use at least 2 midfielders in defensive roles. Last time we played them he used a defensive winger, the previous season Rooney and Tevez were used as Full backs.
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Quite random post but I reckon we don't try and outplay them at their own game as we did last time with Carrick, we play as United with wingers and attack the cnuts.
If they score three, we score four. Our defenders are better than theirs, our midfield is vastly inferior to theirs, they have one amazing attacker in Messi but we have brilliant wingers and great strikers in Rooney and one little gem in Hernandez who can bitch up that hairy lump Puyol in behind him...
 
Amir said:
Isn't the current board full of Glazers now? You be bet your life it's NOT the same people who'll be making the choice. Even if we're talking about people who trust his judgement, they won't go for an 'eyebrows raising' appointment based on his recommendation
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Their names are on the licensee plaque above the pub, but the true people who run the bar day in day out are the same people who have kept the boozer running at full capacity for years.
They are the same people, because it's men like Bobby Charlton and a dozen others who you've never heard of who have been there two decades plus with the odd individual turn over every couple of years.
 
Amir said:
Head and shoulders above anyone else. Including Guardiola, Ancelotti, etc.
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How is he head and shoulders above these two when Guardiola is currently the only Barcelona manager in history who's won a treble and is on course to win four in a row with Barca, something no other Barca manager has done before, and Ancelotti has won the Champions League twice, like Jose, but not on par with him?
 
Amir said:
Head and shoulders above anyone else. Including Guardiola, Ancelotti, etc.
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His CV is very impressive but it's very short too. His achievement at Porto are genuinely impressive but there's lots of manager who have got small clubs to punch above their weight over the years.

Since then he's been lucky enough to manage two clubs with a limitless transfer budgets (one of which was since taken to a CL final by your mate, Avram Grant - something Mourinho failed to do). As soon as his spending was curbed at Chelsea they fell dramatically off the pace and his Real Madrid team look like failing to achieve what the likes of Capello already achieved, in winning La Liga.

Be interesting to see if he can win domestic and European trophies at big club that doesn't have a blank cheque book (against rival clubs that do) which is something that Guardilo, Ancelotti etc. have already achieved. This is the task facing United's next manager and it's something that Mourinho has not done in his career so far.
 
Amir said:
Head and shoulders above anyone else. Including Guardiola, Ancelotti, etc.
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Guardiola looks a better manager already, his teams play more entertaining football and he brings kids through. He's a far better fit for utd than Mourinho. Also writing off Ancelotti is ridiculous, he's achieved the same things as Mourinho playing a slightly better brand of football.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
His CV is very impressive but it's very short too. His achievement at Porto are genuinely impressive but there's lots of manager who have got small clubs to punch above their weight over the years.

Since then he's been lucky enough to manage two clubs with a limitless transfer budgets (one of which was since taken to a CL final by your mate, Avram Grant - something Mourinho failed to do). As soon as his spending was curbed at Chelsea they fell dramatically off the pace and his Real Madrid team look like failing to achieve what the likes of Capello already achieved, in winning La Liga.

Be interesting to see if he can win domestic and European trophies at big club that doesn't have a blank cheque book (against rival clubs that do) which is something that Guardilo, Ancelotti etc. have already achieved.
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fecking hell Pogue, are we agreeing here? Yes, in fact I agree with pretty much everything here.
I've always said let him take over at Liverpool and let's see him win it with them...
 
evra said:
Guardiola looks a better manager already, his teams play more entertaining football and he brings kids through. He's a far better fit for utd than Mourinho. Also writing off Ancelotti is ridiculous, he's achieved the same things as Mourinho playing a slightly better brand of football.
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I said the same thing earlier but got told Moyes would be best because he's won more points than anyone in English football based on quid spent or some bollocks...
 
Bryan_Munich said:
Would certainly be interesting to see Guardiola at United and Mourinho at City with his blank cheque book one day.
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Also interesting the majority of signings at Chelsea, Inter and Real that have been successful haven't been actual Mourinho signings...
Let him spend the Arab's money only to piss them off like he did with Abramovich, who took it upon himself to start making signings like Ballack and Shevchenko that Jose didn't want.
Then Jose will cry and run off again...
 
Amir said:
If he suggests Moyes or Solskjaer or anything like that, the owners will tell him 'thank you very much', and appoint someone else.

They'll be looking for a proven manager before anything else. No matter who Fergie recommends.
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You come across as an arrogant twit at the best of times but this is daft even by your standards. As if they'd dismiss Ferguson's opinion in that way...

So there's only one human being on the planet deemed capable of managing Manchester United according to you and whoever it is you're deciding is on the board?

The arrogance of it all is breathtaking - sweeping aside everyone else to say that since we must continue #winning at all costs only Jose Mourinho can do it. Or Charlie Sheen. But certainly no one with relevant and valuable experience of the league they'll be working in day in and day out.
 
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