Next Man Utd Manager Expected To Be Jose Mourinho Or David Moyes

I don't want Mourinho, and it's not even because of footballing reasons either.

I think he would want to build a legacy like Fergie and manage us for at least 10 years, simply because all he has left to do is manage Portugal, and I think that's something he'll want to do more towards the end of his career. He's in his mid-fourties now isn't he? Still plenty of time to manage in England for years and then go off to do that.

Don't have a problem with his philosphy either, his football isn't as boring as everyone makes out and it's only really in big European games where he goes defensive. The same as what Fergie does for us.

I think he'd bring through youth too if he was here for a good amount of time. He's not really stayed at a club long enough to really introduce young players into the main set up. He showed signs of doing it with some players like Santon, but didn't stay long enough to fully integrate them.

My only problem is that he's a massive cnut. That's it really, if I cared just about the football then he'd obviously be my number one choice. I just don't think I could put up with the media bollocks and self-love which follows Mourinho wherever he goes. A bit of a shitty reason you might think, but some of the time I really can't stand him.
 
Bryan_Munich said:
It's not true because he's proven to be the best pound for pound manager in the league on more than one occasion.
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How?
And regardless how he handles himself with small budgets at a small club, he still won't be worthy of managing United, it's like saying Naseem would have beat Ali because he was better pound for pound...
 
Scoreboard Red said:
How?
And regardless how he handles himself with small budgets at a small club, he still won't be worthy of managing United, it's like saying Naseem would have beat Ali because he was better pound for pound...
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I read something a while back that showed points gained versus money spent.

I don't agree with the 'he's never won anything' argument that is always levelled at managers in these situations as it's a very simplistic view.

He may or may not be good enough for United, I wouldn't be surprised if he's on the short list though.
 
evra said:
Like playing 442 away to Chelsea earlier in the season? It didn't work but we outplayed them for long periods and it showed our ambition to play good football. Jose is a more cautious manager than SAF, there's no doubt about that.
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We actually outplayed them for a part of the first half. Rather than long periods.

Have you followed each of Mourinho's big games to see what sort of team he sends to the pitch?
 
Bryan_Munich said:
I read something a while back that showed points gained versus money spent.

I don't agree with the 'he's never won anything' argument that is always levelled at managers in these situations as it's a very simplistic view.

He may or may not be good enough for United, I wouldn't be surprised if he's on the short list though.
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We'll have to agree to disagree here our Bryan, I cannot see the justification in him with a stat like that (which sounds old anyway) or other than he's relatively young and Glaswegian therefore familiar to what we have.
 
Bryan_Munich said:
Really, why?
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He's done an exceptional job at Porto and has built a very good side that plays good football. He's Mourinho's protege and his attention to detail regarding scouting and tactics is particularly impressive.

If City were looking for someone to build a successful team, he'd be the man. If they want a quick fix, then it'll be Jose.
 
stand_free said:
He's done an exceptional job at Porto and has built a very good side that plays good football. He's Mourinho's protege and his attention to detail regarding scouting and tactics is particularly impressive.

If City were looking for someone to build a successful team, he'd be the man. If they want a quick fix, then it'll be Jose.
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Would you really be more concerned if they appointed him than Mourinho though, when Mourinho is proven at the highest level?

In addition, you and I both know that City would never show that kind of foresight.
 
Bryan_Munich said:
Would you really be more concerned if they appointed him than Mourinho though, when Mourinho is proven at the highest level?

In addition, you and I both know that City would never show that kind of foresight.
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If they appoint Mourinho (and I doubt he'd take that job on to be honest) then they'll win a couple of trophies of course however I just don't think he'd stick around because it would be very similar to Chelsea and City's owners are as trigger happy as Abramovich.

Jose has essentially whored himself out to the United job since leaving Chelsea and I really can't see him joining any other English club apart from United.
 
Aint gota Kalou said:
I don't want Mourinho, and it's not even because of footballing reasons either.

I think he would want to build a legacy like Fergie and manage us for at least 10 years, simply because all he has left to do is manage Portugal, and I think that's something he'll want to do more towards the end of his career. He's in his mid-fourties now isn't he? Still plenty of time to manage in England for years and then go off to do that.

Don't have a problem with his philosphy either, his football isn't as boring as everyone makes out and it's only really in big European games where he goes defensive. The same as what Fergie does for us.

I think he'd bring through youth too if he was here for a good amount of time. He's not really stayed at a club long enough to really introduce young players into the main set up. He showed signs of doing it with some players like Santon, but didn't stay long enough to fully integrate them.

My only problem is that he's a massive cnut. That's it really, if I cared just about the football then he'd obviously be my number one choice. I just don't think I could put up with the media bollocks and self-love which follows Mourinho wherever he goes. A bit of a shitty reason you might think, but some of the time I really can't stand him.
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I really couldn't see where this post was going!

Fair play if you don't like him, but I think Jose would do a terrific job for United. As long as he didn't feck off after 1-2 years cos he thinks he's done it all, he'd be my first choice every time.

I think he'd be Fergie's as well.
 
Scoreboard Red said:
Ryan Giggs has been part of Man Utd day in, day out for 24 years.
Ferguson has said he's asked his advice in the past.
In terms of managing, Moyes has more experience.
In terms of managing Man Utd, I would say Ryan Giggs is more qualified.
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Hypothetically speaking then, if Fergie retired tomorrow and you had to choose between only Moyes or Giggs, who would you choose?
 
Scoreboard Red said:
United - everything, just like Guardiola, Cruyff or Dalglish after spending years at the club from a youth to a senior first team member, gaining the respect of team-mates to the extent they're on a higher level of respect than others in their peerage.
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I agree. The whole thing could and probably would be too much for Giggs, but he knows the club almost as well as Ferguson. He knows what goes on.
 
Bryan_Munich said:
Hypothetically speaking then, if Fergie retired tomorrow and you had to choose between only Moyes or Giggs, who would you choose?
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Honestly Giggs, I think he has the respect of the players and carries intelligence in his demeanor on and off the pitch.
I also can't see why he can't emulate Cruyff, Dalglish & Guardiola etc in doing so, he also has a great backroom staff and support from the likes of Phelan and even Neville if required.
 
Scoreboard Red said:
Honestly Giggs, I think he has the respect of the players and carries intelligence in his demeanor on and off the pitch.
I also can't see why he can't emulate Cruyff, Dalglish & Guardiola etc in doing so, he also has a great backroom staff and support from the likes of Phelan and even Neville if required.
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I just don't see Giggs as being a great manager. I agree that he has all the tools at his disposal, but something tells me it wouldn't work.
 
I'll add as well that no other manager anywhere does as much as Fergue does in terms of overall management so I wouldn't expect Giggs to do as much, he would appoint an entourage of support staff to the already excellent staff we have already supporting Fergie.
 
Scoreboard Red said:
Honestly Giggs, I think he has the respect of the players and carries intelligence in his demeanor on and off the pitch.
I also can't see why he can't emulate Cruyff, Dalglish & Guardiola etc in doing so, he also has a great backroom staff and support from the likes of Phelan and even Neville if required.
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So does Albert the kit man, who 'knows the club' at least as well as Giggs.

Is he ahead of Moyes on your list as well? What about the tea ladies?
 
Scoreboard Red said:
United - everything, just like Guardiola, Cruyff or Dalglish after spending years at the club from a youth to a senior first team member, gaining the respect of team-mates to the extent they're on a higher level of respect than others in their peerage.
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Just because he's well versed in the traditions of United doesn't make him a candidate to succeed arguably the best manager this club has ever had.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
So does Albert the kit man, who 'knows the club' at least as well as Giggs.

Is he ahead of Moyes on your list as well? What about the tea ladies?
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Sarcasm is the lowest form of humor and Albert never played football and might know about Daz & Arial but clearly knows David Moyes as United boss is akin to signing Darius Vassell to replace Rooney.
 
stand_free said:
Just because he's well versed in the traditions of United doesn't make him a candidate to succeed arguably the best manager this club has ever had.
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Few, if any, are though. That's the dilemma.

Keep up... ;)
 
stand_free said:
Just because he's well versed in the traditions of United doesn't make him a candidate to succeed arguably the best manager this club has ever had.
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So winning feck all with a club like Everton for nine years SHOULD elevate him as a prime candidate?
So he's done better than Joe Royle & Mike Walker, he's still done feck all except been Glawegian.
 
evra said:
What's that got to do with anything? The point was that SAF put out an incredibly attacking side in arguably the toughest game of the season, this illustrates the difference between him and Mourinho.
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Nothing, just a matter of being accurate. What is shows is that for this one game, Fergie put on an attacking (not an 'incredibly attacking') side. For many other matches, he did not. Are you telling me Mourinho never did such a thing?
 
Twigginater said:
The way people can just sweep away David Moyes' job achievements with "he's won nothing" is idiotic.
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He hasn't won anything though mate, so what has he achieved?
He's just another manager at a sleeping giant who's tended to do a bit better than those before him since about 89/90.
Christ, if this logic is true then why aren't we going for Allardyce, Curbishley or Paul Jewell? feck, Benitez has a better chance than Moyes here lads...
 
Scoreboard Red said:
Sarcasm is the lowest form of humor and Albert never played football and might know about Daz & Arial but clearly knows David Moyes as United boss is akin to signing Darius Vassell to replace Rooney.
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What's Vassel got to do with Moyes? Moyes has bought a consistent level of excellence to his job - not something I'd associate with Vassel. It's a rubbish comparison.

You might not like him but he deserves to be on the list. If doing highly respected work for a decade in the PL doesn't get you looked at by a higher ranked PL club then what will?

12 out of Manchester United's 19 managers have been English, of the other seven only O'Farrell from RoI came from outside the UK. I think before we go and offer Hiddink, Mourinho or whoever else is flavour of the month at the time a massive contract it's right that the likes of Moyes, McLeish and Bruce should be seriously considered. You should consider what they could do with the infrastructure and resources available to them at United, not Everton or Birmingham FC.

You might be barmily keen on Giggs today, but until three years ago Roy Keane would have been seen as a far more likely candidate to succeed SAF, and look how that worked out.
 
Scoreboard Red said:
He hasn't won anything though mate, so what has he achieved?
He's just another manager at a sleeping giant who's tended to do a bit better than those before him since about 89/90.
Christ, if this logic is true then why aren't we going for Allardyce, Curbishley or Paul Jewell? feck, Benitez has a better chance than Moyes here lads...
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How about Charlie Sheen? If #winning is the only criteria you're looking at I'd have him high on your list.
 
Raoul said:
I agree.

Another often overlooked point about Moyes is that he's done well at Everton, but not spectacularly well. Yes he's finished 4th, but he's also finished 17th.
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Indeed. Would be interesting to see what he'd do at a decent club with a few quid to spend - but that tends to be when managers falter if they spend big money on a player and he doesn't perform.

I could see him at Spurs after 'Arry takes the England job.
 
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