IMO the long term success of this club would be jeopardised if Mourinho was installed as manager.
Next Man Utd Manager Expected To Be Jose Mourinho Or David Moyes
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IMO the long term success of this club would be jeopardised if Mourinho was installed as manager.
How could it ? He's probably the most successful manager in the world, not named Fergie. He's won the CL and the Prem multiple times. Contrast that to anyone else such as Blanc or Moyes and things become a bit clearer. There are never guarantees about how long a manager will stay. Might as well take the most qualified candidate available.
No and I don't want Dario Gradi or Joe Royle either, but not worry about Jose doing one because he doesn't get on with Bobby Charlton or one of the Glazers.
He very well might stay for a long time but all evidence and past behavior suggests otherwise mate, that's my main concern. Another would be his seemingly disregard for youth which is of course our policy which has been around for almost seventy years.
Because every club he's left have gone on to be much worse in the following years. He demands more money from every club he's at. Even if it's not faesible.
No, I don't see Mourinho doing that. So?
We're NOT getting another Sir Alex people, get over that. Whoever we get will be different, worse in some aspects, maybe better in others, but definitely different.
I don't think he ever had a final falling our with Abramovich. He was just sacked after a non too impressive (or too bad) start to the season. For some reason Roman thought he had a ready made replacement in his ranks (Grant) as well. That played a far bigger role than any investment in the squad, because, like I said, in the summer of 2007 Chelsea DID sign players. And not ones that were forced upon Mourinho like Shevchenko.
No more than thinking long term and getting someone who won't find his feet.
If anything that's a testament to how good he is.
If anything it's testament to how he values success now over future success for the club.
So do you think Mourinho would be willing to take over the reins from Fergie and continue to work with the same financial restraints that he has these last few years?
Or, do you think he'd throw his toys out the pram have a massive falling out with the owners and flounce off to a job at a club with the limitless funds he seems to require to match his ambitions?
I know which scenario seems more likely to me...
I think there are enough holes in the theory that he doesn't stay long term, to make me think giving up in Mourinho without even trying would be a travesty. I mean, if Mourinho announced he doesn't think a coach should stay anywhere more than three years, and there was someone even approaching his success everywhere who had a different philosophy, then maybe.
But all we know is he started his fourth season at Chelsea and was sacked. Who knows how long he would have stayed there if Abramovich - who hasn't kept a coach for so long before or after him - was smarter. He left Inter after two years because he just didn't love Italy, the media and all that. And as for Spain, we shall see. It seems the main idea behind the belief he won't stay there too long is that he simply loves England and sees his future in the Premier League. So there's a good chance his next English job will be long term.
He didn't fall out with Moratti. And everyone fall out with the Real president so I won't hold that against him. Obviously he has his faults, I just see them as small compared with what he does have. And, I don't see anyone better around. I just see talented coaches who might absolutely drown if they try to success Fergie. They won't stay here long term either.
Even if we get Mourinho for three or fours years, who ever comes in his place will surely find it easier than following the footsteps of 25 years+ of Sir Alex.
Not at all. You can't expect every manager to stay at a club as long as Fergie has. Mourinho's tenures have been relatively short, but he's packed a lot of success into them, and who knows, he may actually make a good career out of it at United. Certainly far better than experimenting with some other manager who doesn't have the CV to manage United, simply because his name isn't Mourinho.
I'm not sure why people think that he wouldn't stick around.
He's said on numerous occaisions that he enjoys managing in England the most. If he comes to United then where else will he go? - He's managed in Spain and Italy and on each occaision talked about how his misses the PL?
Mourinho is the obvious choice. The likes of Moyes and Blanc may be very good managers but they don't have his pedigree or ability. Indeed very few (if any) currently do.
I've said it before - Moyes especially may have done well with Everton with a tight budget and performed above expectations. Its totally different to being expected to bring success. The fact that he's young and scottish would mean he'd always be compared to Ferguson and that would bring serious pressure.
Or what is expected of him. Chelsea, Inter - they weren't looking for him to build long term, they wanted success here and now.
I agree.
Another often overlooked point about Moyes is that he's done well at Everton, but not spectacularly well. Yes he's finished 4th, but he's also finished 17th.
Coming 17th just once is actually a spectacular result for Everton given the budget they've been able to give their manager to work with - a lot of other managers would have struggled to get even that. He's done very well to avoid relegation let alone get as high as 4th place.
Na i'm pretty sure Jose has a lot to do with it but it would upset some of the Jose fans here
All his teams are cynical.
He's done well to avoid relegation isn't tantamount to he's qualified to manage United.
Who's said it is? I don't think he or anyone else thinks it does.
There are many other elements of his CV that could see him getting considered though, like it or not.
The special one will end up at City by the summer i reckon
He won't leave Madrid after this season.
He may have no choice if Barcelona knock them out of the semi's
Yeah that is a different issue, what I meant was that he won't resign, I think. He always talking about achieving the grand slam, and I don't think he will resign before achieving that with RM.
If anything it's testament to his ability to deliver what the clubs want.
Chelsea & Inter both wanted trophies, Inter particularly the Champs League. Did they ask him to build long term?
I'd just like to add Moyes isn't even a sensible option. He's done feck all. He got Everton in the CL several seasons ago & them to an FA Cup Final, so what?
Mourinho splits opinions, nobody is ambivalent towards him. Personally I think Jose and Madrid are a perfect match, that is they embody everything that's wrong with football. Of course I realise there are a lot of posters who just want to win and don't care about the other things that make Utd great. If football really is just about winning then Jose probably should be Ferguson's successor but for me there's more to it than that. I don't see him as a "fit" for our club and Jose would have to radically alter his personality, playing style and attitude towards youth policy to change my mind.
I'll fully admit, I'm not keen on Mourinho as a person so might be swayed by that but I still don't he's the right fit, as I've said his transfer policy and liability on shooting off after only a few years...
If it's true like it was in Fergie's case, then yes.
I still don't understand why it's easier for some to take Fergie as a liar than to take him at face value. Our performances in all competitions this season thus far is hardly a ringing endorsement for saying that when he said there was no value and no need to add to the squad beyond the additions he made, was drastically that far off the truth.
See, that's where you just know a person's opinion is swayed by popular belief rather than reality. Mourinho's Real play very good football. Inter were not a 'shit on a stick' team either. And our beloved Fergie has no hesitation in killing off a game if it suits him. So Mourinho has got nothing to change on that issue.
Not saying he should be are next manager but Owen Coyle is really impressing me at the moment well he has at most clubs he's been at. It will be intresting to see where he is in a few years time when Fergie does call it a day.
Im continually baffled at why Moyes is ever linked to being our future manager - there is no chance whatsoever, he probably wouldnt even make a shortlist of 10.
Real play decent football against teams that they are completely superior to, it's when Mourinho comes up against a challenge that he reverts to his old defensive midfielder-fest. See Madrid v Barca earlier in the season.
Which 10 realistically available managers would you rather see at United?
To say he's done feck all is a very simplistic way of looking at things you have to take into account the resources available to him.
The two are kind of linked. Coyle is the new Moyes. Young manager, doing a really good job at a lower level team, Scottish...
Moyes has done really well at Everton, no wonder he was looked upon as a possible replacement a few years ago. Problem is things stagnated at Everton in the last couple of years, too many ups and downs, so it looks like Moyes hasn't progressed much. If Coyle stays at Everton for a few years, he may look exactly the same in, say, 2017.
I did. It was annhilation on a grand scale. I'm sure United wouldn't have suffered anything like that. We wouldn't have passed halfway line. We have the same tendency to play a far more - say, careful - system in the big games.
Might be harsh mate but it's true...
Well I don't think it is true like I said wth Coyle not saying I want him as are next manager I would pick Jose over him but you cant he well hes done feck all because that isnt true. Not the the good cup runs, getting the CL also the way he plays football getting Everton in the top 10 every year despite having no money to spend.
Like playing 442 away to Chelsea earlier in the season? It didn't work but we outplayed them for long periods and it showed our ambition to play good football. Jose is a more cautious manager than SAF, there's no doubt about that.
Do we want good cup runs and the occasional high finish?
As evidenced with Allardyce at Newcastle and Hodgson at Liverpool, certain managers are far better at smaller clubs, they get found out when they punch above their weight and there's no way Moyes is capable of running United...