If he goes out at semi-final stage of CL and doesn't win the league, he's gone. I get the sense that the people upstairs in Madrid don't really enjoy Jose's personality or presence anyway and won't tolerate if he fails to deliver this season. I don't know why people try to apply normal logic to decisions taken by the Real Madrid board. They never, ever show it, so firing Mourinho after his first season if he doesn't secure the honours is exactly something they're almost guaranteed to do, I think.
Next Man Utd Manager Expected To Be Jose Mourinho Or David Moyes
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If he goes out at semi-final stage of CL and doesn't win the league, he's gone. I get the sense that the people upstairs in Madrid don't really enjoy Jose's personality or presence anyway and won't tolerate if he fails to deliver this season. I don't know why people try to apply normal logic to decisions taken by the Real Madrid board. They never, ever show it, so firing Mourinho after his first season if he doesn't secure the honours is exactly something they're almost guaranteed to do, I think.
You're wrong, sorry.
Has it been announced who Fergie's successor is? I can't be wrong yet, can I...
Has it been announced who Fergie's successor is? I can't be wrong yet, can I...
Nor can anyone who says it'll be Timmy Mallet aided by the Legion of Doom.
I don't think guardiola is suitable. he's only had three years in management. Not even that yet.
Nor can anyone who says it'll be Timmy Mallet aided by the Legion of Doom.
I don't think guardiola is suitable. he's only had three years in management. Not even that yet.
Yeah, he's inexperienced and hasn't won anything at all has he, what a big ball of poo he is, he's only won nine trophies in less than three seasons with a small(ish) team, what a complete git of a suggestion it was of me to make...
Yeah, he's inexperienced and hasn't won anything at all has he, what a big ball of poo he is, he's only won nine trophies in less than three seasons with a small(ish) team, what a complete git of a suggestion it was of me to make...
He's been a coach for three years, I don't care what he's won in that time he is still a relative newbie. He happens to manage Barcelona, so without meaning to demean his achievements, winning trophies and titles there is hardly a turn around from what he took over from. Sustaining it could be but I think you need to show more than two and a half seasons of that first.
He's been a coach for three years, I don't care what he's won in that time he is still a relative newbie. He happens to manage Barcelona, so without meaning to demean his achievements, winning trophies and titles there is hardly a turn around from what he took over from. Sustaining it could be but I think you need to show more than two and a half seasons of that first.
...and since Jose's marvelous achievement turning Porto into European champions, he's managed billionaire Chelsea, Inter & Real Madrid taking over when they were hardly on the descendancy, you'd have to agree with that, yeah? And he hasn't won three titles on the bounce with any of these clubs mentioned, whereas Pep has.
Pep plainly isn't rubbish but given the players he has inherited it is very hard to know quite how good he actually is just yet. We know Jose would do a great job and could easily handle the pressure of being United's manager and even more so the manager to follow SAF. So if he is available my money would be on them choosing Jose.
Pep plainly isn't rubbish but given the players he has inherited it is very hard to know quite how good he actually is just yet. We know Jose would do a great job and could easily handle the pressure of being United's manager and even more so the manager to follow SAF. So if he is available my money would be on them choosing Jose.
I don't deny he's an obvious candidate, my concerns though mate would be his longevity at the club. I don't expect another 25 year reign, but Jose has always fecked off after a couple of years leaving Chelsea and Inter in worse positions than when he joined...
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I don't deny he's an obvious candidate, my concerns though mate would be his longevity at the club. I don't expect another 25 year reign, but Jose has always fecked off after a couple of years leaving Chelsea and Inter in worse positions than when he joined...
Good point! I'd want the next incumbent to hang around for at least 4/5 years.In this day and age anything more is abonus
Good point! I'd want the next incumbent to hang around for at least 4/5 years.In this day and age anything more is abonus
I'm honestly not sure if you're being sarcastic mate
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so can we have jose or what then?
I don't deny he's an obvious candidate, my concerns though mate would be his longevity at the club. I don't expect another 25 year reign, but Jose has always fecked off after a couple of years leaving Chelsea and Inter in worse positions than when he joined...
That is the risk I guess but perhaps having done it all in England, Italy, Spain and Portugal the last piece of his legacy would be to lead us to a SAF like legacy. I could be dreaming of course.
I don't deny he's an obvious candidate, my concerns though mate would be his longevity at the club. I don't expect another 25 year reign, but Jose has always fecked off after a couple of years leaving Chelsea and Inter in worse positions than when he joined...
How in any way were Inter and Chelsea left in a worse position than when he joined?
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How in any way were Inter and Chelsea left in a worse position than when he joined?
Well Inter had overspent for years, he'd left behind an aging squad both times, and had left a high number of big name flops needing to be cleared out.
One of the most important things in football beyond immediate success is laying out the groundwork to constantly rebuild sides. Mourinho for me hasn't shown he can do that.
I don't deny he's an obvious candidate, my concerns though mate would be his longevity at the club. I don't expect another 25 year reign, but Jose has always fecked off after a couple of years leaving Chelsea and Inter in worse positions than when he joined...
Chelsea have won the league and the nearly the CL since he left. Inter aren't as good now as last year, but that's a testament to what he made them.
Well Inter had overspent for years, he'd left behind an aging squad both times, and had left a high number of big name flops needing to be cleared out.
One of the most important things in football beyond immediate success is laying out the groundwork to constantly rebuild sides. Mourinho for me hasn't shown he can do that.
That's hardly a reasonable counterargument as to why he shouldn't be United manager when contrasted against what he has done. Multiple Champions Leagues, multiple titles in Serie-A and England etc.
Chelsea were built into a ruthless machine under Jose, one which even with Grant's poor management managed to still come 2nd to us in the league & Europe then crumbled under Scolari. Effectively Ancelotti has rebuilt them as such buy they were on their way to an empire had they maintained their stature under Jose. Him leaving unsettled them to feck.How in any way were Inter and Chelsea left in a worse position than when he joined?
Chelsea have won the league and the nearly the CL since he left. Inter aren't as good now as last year, but that's a testament to what he made them.
I would agree part of the club's demise is due to his ability but also when a manager leaves it unsettled the clubs.
Chelsea dropped dramatically and went from almost best team in Europe to poor for the previous few years standards.
As for Inter, well they'd already been winning Serie A for the previous three years prior to Jose, and the signings brought in like Eto'o and Sneijder weren't even his.
That's hardly a reasonable counterargument as to why he shouldn't be United manager when contrasted against what he has done. Multiple Champions Leagues, multiple titles in Serie-A and England etc.
So would you take three/four years of titles under Jose, then have him get pissed off with the board and feck off leaving us without a decent option of next manager and perhaps have a few seasons of us floating about potless lke back to the 1970s/80s?
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Is Mourinho on course to get lower points than Pelligrini?
Jose only left Chelsea because Abramovic made their relationship untenable. Given how much he has spoken of his love for the English game I cannot imagine that he ever wanted to leave that job.
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Jose only left Chelsea because Abramovic made their relationship untenable. Given how much he has spoken of his love for the English game I cannot imagine that he ever wanted to leave that job.
Jose left that team because after two years of massive funds, he'd started the third season incredibly poorly.
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So would you take three/four years of titles under Jose, then have him get pissed off with the board and feck off leaving us without a decent option of next manager and perhaps have a few seasons of us floating about potless lke back to the 1970s/80s?
Question is, do you know of a manager who will win titles and will stay more than three/four years? We can't let Fergie be the benchmark, because there isn't another around. We have to get someone who is a good mix of experience, quality, etc. Longevity can't be a consideration because almost no one stays beyond very few years, and of those who do, well, should we really get Moyes?
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Of course now Real Madrid are making his position "untenable"
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Jose left that team because after two years of massive funds, he'd started the third season incredibly poorly.
It was his fourth season actually, he completed three years. And it was the third season (06/07, when we won the title) that there was little investment in the team and he was left really short on defenders). They spent a bit more in the summer of 2007, getting Malouda for instance, but Abramovich head was already turned. Dare I say by Grant? Doesn't matter.
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Question is, do you know of a manager who will win titles and will stay more than three/four years? We can't let Fergie be the benchmark, because there isn't another around. We have to get someone who is a good mix of experience, quality, etc. Longevity can't be a consideration because almost no one stays beyond very few years, and of those who do, well, should we really get Moyes?
I'd much rather give a young promising manager a few years to make the club his own without immediate success.
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Anyone else think he might end up at City?
Blank chequebook....
Blank chequebook....
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Jose only left Chelsea because Abramovic made their relationship untenable. Given how much he has spoken of his love for the English game I cannot imagine that he ever wanted to leave that job.
He did that mainly by temporarily removing Mourinho's hand from his bottomless pockets.
Bearing in mind the amount of money he's spunked at Madrid yet still threw a strop when he couldn't sign another striker, how do you think he'd enjoy working with the Glazers?
Pogue Mahone
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Anyone else think he might end up at City?
Blank chequebook....
He'd definitely a big fan of blank cheque-books.
I'd say there's every chance he'll end up at City, causing heart-break and confusion for a large swathe of redcafe regulars.
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He did that mainly by temporarily removing Mourinho's hand from his bottomless pockets.
Bearing in mind the amount of money he's spunked at Madrid yet still threw a strop when he couldn't sign another striker, how do you think he'd enjoy working with the Glazers?
No no, don't you see, despite buying about 70 million worth of players and still having Benzema fit, he HAD to have a new striker. It was only fair.
Amir
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I'd much rather give a young promising manager a few years to make the club his own without immediate success.
Great, but what makes you think HE will stay afterwards?
We just have to accept Fergie was a one-off, and that we're not getting another one like him.
Mourinho is a great manager, and I believe he'll be happy to settle at a club like United long term. I will certainly be happy for us to at least try, he's worth taking that chance. And if I'm wrong and he leaves after three years, so be it. We can then still try the young manager thing. Maybe we'll even have better options then, compared with whoever is available when Fergie retires.
Wumminator
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Great, but what makes you think HE will stay afterwards?
We just have to accept Fergie was a one-off, and that we're not getting another one like him.
Mourinho is a great manager, and I believe he'll be happy to settle at a club like United long term. I will certainly be happy for us to at least try, he's worth taking that chance. And if I'm wrong and he leaves after three years, so be it. We can then still try the young manager thing. Maybe we'll even have better options then, compared with whoever is available when Fergie retires.
We don't know when Fergie retires though. That's the problem.
I don't want Mourinho anywhere near our club though. He's classless. He's a prick.
Blanc for me.
So would you take three/four years of titles under Jose, then have him get pissed off with the board and feck off leaving us without a decent option of next manager and perhaps have a few seasons of us floating about potless lke back to the 1970s/80s?
I think he would stay longer than what most might presume. He's already accomplished everything else, except managing United.
Amir
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He did that mainly by temporarily removing Mourinho's hand from his bottomless pockets.
Bearing in mind the amount of money he's spunked at Madrid yet still threw a strop when he couldn't sign another striker, how do you think he'd enjoy working with the Glazers?
Mourinho didn't quit over transfer funds, did he? He did complain, and rightly so, because he saw centerhalves sold under his nose and no one being brought to replace him. Nevertheless, his departure was after a summer during with Chelsea DID invest money.
Amir
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Blanc for me.
Well, I can accept people thinking like that. I don't think they are right. The Lille manager is winning the league this season. Should we get him? Obviously we follow Blanc here more than others, doesn't mean he's even the best in France.
I don't see why, though. You go for the best available, unless he really doesn't suit you. And Mourinho is the best.
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I think he would stay longer than what most might presume. He's already accomplished everything else, except managing United.
He's won the La Liga now?
He'd come over here for a year or two, before Barce needed someone and he'd claim "he had unfinished business."
He'd piss off verteran managers left and right and take unneeded swipes at those around him.
Does my head in does Mourinho.
I'd much rather give a young promising manager a few years to make the club his own without immediate success.
Favoring failure over success ? Interesting.
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He'd definitely a big fan of blank cheque-books.
I'd say there's every chance he'll end up at City, causing heart-break and confusion for a large swathe of redcafe regulars.
Madrid are desperate to topple Barcelona, he is the only man who can do it. Will be at Madrid for a few years yet.
He's won the La Liga now?
He'd come over here for a year or two, before Barce needed someone and he'd claim "he had unfinished business."
He'd piss off verteran managers left and right and take unneeded swipes at those around him.
Does my head in does Mourinho.
That's a poor argument. Compare his record against those of other managers being touted as potential Fergie replacements. No one compares, spare Guardiola perhaps, and even then, he inherited a fantastic squad.
Well, I can accept people thinking like that. I don't think they are right. The Lille manager is winning the league this season. Should we get him? Obviously we follow Blanc here more than others, doesn't mean he's even the best in France.
I don't see why, though. You go for the best available, unless he really doesn't suit you. And Mourinho is the best.
Well for starters, he's not Mourinho. That's the type of logic that some apply to these discussions.
Pogue Mahone
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Mourinho didn't quit over transfer funds, did he? He did complain, and rightly so, because he saw centerhalves sold under his nose and no one being brought to replace him. Nevertheless, his departure was after a summer during with Chelsea DID invest money.
He probably saw that as too little too late and a factor in the very poor start to the season which brought everything to a head. You can bet your arse he was still rankling about not being backed in the transfer market whenever he had his final falling out with Abramovic.
I mean, let's put it another way. Can anyone on here seriously picture Mourinho sitting in front of the press and explaining that he's not signing anyone this summer because he doesn't see any value in the market?
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