Next Draft - Ideas and Discussions

@antohan

Re-voting: Can you have a poll where you can choose two options? If so we just need eight options 0-3 for one side and 0-3 for another. The only problem would be if a voter was an idiot and picked 3 and 2 say for Skiz which would imply 5-0 win. We'd just have to invalidate votes which didn't have votes for both managers.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
um, uhm... I demand copyright payment!



But then I agree with anto above. Current/PL draft should be the next one. Who's up to run that?
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I knew I had seen that before. Question is: player 4 must have played with 3 and not with 2, but what about 1? I think it's better if 1 isn't relevant to the pick. Otherwise it ends up being "each played with only one of these guys" which is similar to crappy's played with none alternative.

Reinforcements would be interesting. Suddenly last round picks would be huge, as they should determine who you can/can't reinforce with.
 
Physiocrat said:
@antohan

Re-voting: Can you have a poll where you can choose two options? If so we just need eight options 0-3 for one side and 0-3 for another. The only problem would be if a voter was an idiot and picked 3 and 2 say for Skiz which would imply 5-0 win. We'd just have to invalidate votes which didn't have votes for both managers.
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I've no idea, but that system sounds really confusing and you would wind up with winners who just win because their voters are more anal about knowing all the rules.

3-2, 3-1, 3-0, 2-1, 2-0, 1-0 (x2) plus DRAW

13 options.
 
Could i put myself on the possibles list please. I'd be interested depending on the draft, but have done a lot of GOATy ones before and a more recent or PL one could be good.
 
antohan said:
I knew I had seen that before. Question is: player 4 must have played with 3 and not with 2, but what about 1? I think it's better if 1 isn't relevant to the pick. Otherwise it ends up being "each played with only one of these guys" which is similar to crappy's played with none alternative.

Reinforcements would be interesting. Suddenly last round picks would be huge, as they should determine who you can/can't reinforce with.
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Don't exactly understand. Restriction is not same club twice in succession.

Hypothetically....in a random order snake.

1st Pick: Rooney (United)
2nd Pick: Cristiano Ronaldo (United link)
3rd Pick: Angel di Maria (Real Madrid link)
4th Pick: Robin van Persie (United link)
5th Pick: Cesc Fabregas (Arsenal Link)

The only restrictions are that a specific club link can only be used less than 3 times (1st pick excluded). In above United link has been used twice (2nd and 4th picks), so one more is permissible. Apart from the team link cap, there are no other player links. So player 5 must have played with player 4 and whether he played with other previous picks will be immaterial.

Peak: Player peak will be the club link under which he is chosen. United for Rooney CR and RvP, Arsenal for Fabregas etc. So if somebody ends up choosing Di Maria under United link, his peak will be what he played for United.
 
antohan said:
I've no idea, but that system sounds really confusing and you would wind up with winners who just win because their voters are more anal about knowing all the rules.

3-2, 3-1, 3-0, 2-1, 2-0, 1-0 (x2) plus DRAW

13 options.
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Ah, 1-1 or 3-3 draw would make no difference. I was just trying to make the poll more elegant but that works
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Don't exactly understand. Restriction is not same club twice in succession.

Hypothetically....in a random order snake.

1st Pick: Rooney (United)
2nd Pick: Cristiano Ronaldo (United link)
3rd Pick: Angel di Maria (Real Madrid link)
4th Pick: Robin van Persie (United link)
5th Pick: Cesc Fabregas (Arsenal Link)

The only restrictions are that a specific club link can only be used less than 3 times (1st pick excluded). In above United link has been used twice (2nd and 4th picks), so one more is permissible. Apart from the team link cap, there are no other player links. So player 5 must have played with player 4 and whether he played with other previous picks will be immaterial.

Peak: Player peak will be the club link under which he is chosen. United for Rooney CR and RvP, Arsenal for Fabregas etc. So if somebody ends up choosing Di Maria under United link, his peak will be what he played for United.
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I liked my interpretation of @Skizzo's better (and it was probably what he meant). The country/nationality constraint I interpreted as just that, an overall constraint but not a step by step "link".

There must be a club or country link with the one before and there must NOT be one with the penultimate pick. E.g. Di Maria wouldn't be picked there as he has played with Rooney. It makes it marginally harder to pick superstar teams and may get you into a real pickle at some point: e.g. pick Scholes and Giggs and you will have very few options that have played with Giggs and not with Scholes. John Hartson upfront beckons.

I actually really like this, I may actually play it tbh.
 
antohan said:
I liked my interpretation of @Skizzo's better (and it was probably what he meant). The country/nationality constraint I interpreted as just that, an overall constraint but not a step by step "link".

There must be a club or country link with the one before and there must NOT be one with the penultimate pick. E.g. Di Maria wouldn't be picked there as he has played with Rooney. It makes it marginally harder to pick superstar teams and may get you into a real pickle at some point: e.g. pick Scholes and Giggs and you will have very few options that have played with Giggs and not with Scholes. John Hartson upfront beckons.

I actually really like this, I may actually play it tbh.
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You mean something like:

3rd pick: Player X
4th pick: Player Y. Should have played with Player X
5th Pick: Player Z. Should have played with Player Y, but NOT with Player X

and so on...

Plus a overall 'Not more than 3 players per country' of birth (as per your old draft criteria)

Am I getting it right?
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
You mean something like:

3rd pick: Player X
4th pick: Player Y. Should have played with Player X
5th Pick: Player Z. Should have played with Player Y, but NOT with Player X

and so on...

Plus a overall 'Not more than 3 players per country' of birth (as per your old draft criteria)

Am I getting it right?
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That was more how it was going to be set up yeah. That way the chain continues through players, but you couldn't create a continuous chain of barca players, or Brazil 82 players etc.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
You mean something like:

3rd pick: Player X
4th pick: Player Y. Should have played with Player X
5th Pick: Player Z. Should have played with Player Y, but NOT with Player X

and so on...

Plus a overall 'Not more than 3 players per country' of birth (as per your old draft criteria)

Am I getting it right?
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Yups. The beauty of it would be constraining reinforcements too. I know people don't like the random factor of picking from your beaten rival, but the reinforcement pools these days are absolutely ridiculous. You can plan a side really poorly and jam your way to having a great side in a final.

Let's say it's 13 picks, usually people keep those for a random squad option or goalie, but here they would be HUGE as your later reinforcement would be someone who hasn't played with Player 12 but has played with Player 13. And that reinforcement would then affect the next round one... all the way to the final. Tricky, beautifully so.
 
Skizzo said:
Alright. I'm running out to the store real quick, I'll put together the OP and see if we can get all the sign ups.

Hopefully @Pat_Mustard will be my Co - manager and assist and draft master as well :D
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If it features sheep or any sort of random nasty punishment I am up for reinstating the Evil Sheep Committee.
 
antohan said:
If it features sheep or any sort of random nasty punishment I am up for reinstating the Evil Sheep Committee.
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There will be a couple of punishments required. I plan on trying to keep it moving along, so there'll be strict time limits. Punishments will come in to place if we wait for the same person/people continuously, or they dont PM their picks to someone if they know they'll be gone.
 
You can't tag that many people. @Skizzo Can someone clarify what the maximum is? I'm not sure myself.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
A suggestion would be to add a rule that skews to current players. Like '4 players to have played after 2012 season' or similar.
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I thought about a few different things to try and keep it interesting. Whether it be a certain number of players after a certain year, or only x number of players from one team. Not sure if everyone preferred leaving it open, or having some restrictions.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
I'm not playing so I can assist with the game modding if you wanna play.
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I'll definitely help use you for co-modding if you don't want to participate. @Šjor Bepo offered, but it would make more sense to have someone who isn't involved.

I'll be gone this weekend in Disneyland (again...fecking, again) and then I'll be in England in a couple of weeks visiting family. I should be able to get on...but will be nice to have an extra pair of eyes to help oversee if I'm not around as often.
 
antohan said:
Yups. The beauty of it would be constraining reinforcements too. I know people don't like the random factor of picking from your beaten rival, but the reinforcement pools these days are absolutely ridiculous. You can plan a side really poorly and jam your way to having a great side in a final.

Let's say it's 13 picks, usually people keep those for a random squad option or goalie, but here they would be HUGE as your later reinforcement would be someone who hasn't played with Player 12 but has played with Player 13. And that reinforcement would then affect the next round one... all the way to the final. Tricky, beautifully so.
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I think sheep reinforcements are the way forward after a snake of 13 players. That way you are unlikely to be able to pick the best players but could improve as you go. The players would be blocked for that round only to really allow you to upgrade to quality near the end. Two per round and one for the final.
 
dannymc1309 said:
Could i put myself on the possibles list please. I'd be interested depending on the draft, but have done a lot of GOATy ones before and a more recent or PL one could be good.
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Pretty shitty that I wasn't added to the list and others joined afterwards.
 
Skizzo said:
Hopefully @Pat_Mustard will be my Co - manager and assist and draft master as well :D
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Of course!

Skizzo said:
I'll be gone this weekend in Disneyland (again...fecking, again) and then I'll be in England in a couple of weeks visiting family. I should be able to get on...but will be nice to have an extra pair of eyes to help oversee if I'm not around as often.
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:lol: You spend more time at that place than Mickey Mouse!
 
Suggestion to eliminate scan voters ruining games: ban all those mentalists voting "Undecided", "Too Old", or "Decent but not excited" in the Bastian poll.

Useless, the lot of them.
 
antohan said:
Suggestion to eliminate scan voters ruining games: ban all those mentalists voting "Undecided", "Too Old", or "Decent but not excited" in the Bastian poll.

Useless, the lot of them.
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Weren't you of the opinion that we should get Morgan if it meant only one of them? :nono:
 
Aldo said:
Weren't you of the opinion that we should get Morgan if it meant only one of them? :nono:
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Don't think so, I didn't vote in that poll because I found the either/or was daft. Put a gun my head and even then I'd think it's down to LVGs plans, I'd expect Bastian to be formidable for us for at least three seasons but Schneiderlin has a longer horizon, not in the same class though.
 
Keeping it current:

List of Drafts:

Draft I: Cal?'s - New Fantasy Draft (Winner: Cal?)
Draft II: Polaroid's - Retro Fantasy Draft - all players born in 60s (Winner: Polaroid)
Draft III: Cal?'s - 70s Fantasy Draft (Winner: Cling Bak)
Draft IV: Brwned's - 50s Fantasy Draft (Winner: Brwned)
Draft V: All -Time Fantasy Draft (Winner: antohan)
Draft VI: Theon's - Champions League Draft (Winner: Gio)
Draft VII: Aldo's - Decades Draft (Winner: Theon)
Draft VIII: Future Stars Draft (Winner: NM)
Draft IX: World Cup Peak Draft (Winner: Annahnomoss)
Draft X: Aldo's - Sheep Draft (Winner Gio)
Draft XI: Polaroid's - Transfer Muppet Draft (Winner: MJJ)
Draft XII: Annahnomoss's - Auction Draft (Winner: Cutch/Annah)
Draft XIII: rpitroda's - Criteria Draft (Winner: Aldo)
Draft XIV: EAP's - Reality Draft (Winner: antohan)
Draft XV: Annahnomoss's - Managers Draft (Winner: EAP)
Draft XVI: crappycraperson's - British Irish Draft (Winner: MJJ)
Draft XVII: EAP's - Modern Era Draft (Winner: Theon)
Draft XVIII: Skizzo's - Second Sheep Draft (Winner: Cutch)
Draft XIX: Balu's - Euro Draft (Winner: Joga Bonito)
Draft XX: Annahnomoss's - All Time Auction Draft (Winner: Cal?)
Draft XXI: Skizzo's All Time Premier League Draft (Winner: TBC)
 
The Prem draft is so slow that this has been bumped.

Yet to win a first round game :( I usually start the drafting well but then lose my composure towards the end when I realise my team is becoming a far cry to what I had in mind at the start.
 
Had anyone thought of an Alphabet draft? Maybe a sheep version of it to give it an edge. So round one, the letter could be chosen at random and it would land on "S", so people send in their picks of a player's surname (I guess) beginning with S. Not sure whether there would be a restriction on eras or not as I'm sure if the letter landed on Z, there wouldn't be a massive pool of players people would choose from that letter if stuck to a specific era. The alternative I guess would be to leave out the horror letters like "Y" or "Z" from the randomisation draft.

You guys catch my drift?
I have no real intention of actually doing a draft as I'm not a BNOC around here but I was just wondering what your thoughts on that idea is? I'd personally love to see it as you could get some cracking sheep and would be very interesting how people deal with the letter R for example :lol:
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
Had anyone thought of an Alphabet draft? Maybe a sheep version of it to give it an edge. So round one, the letter could be chosen at random and it would land on "S", so people send in their picks of a player's surname (I guess) beginning with S. Not sure whether there would be a restriction on eras or not as I'm sure if the letter landed on Z, there wouldn't be a massive pool of players people would choose from that letter if stuck to a specific era. The alternative I guess would be to leave out the horror letters like "Y" or "Z" from the randomisation draft.

You guys catch my drift?
I have no real intention of actually doing a draft as I'm not a BNOC around here but I was just wondering what your thoughts on that idea is? I'd personally love to see it as you could get some cracking sheep and would be very interesting how people deal with the letter R for example :lol:
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It was one of the criteria I had down for the bamboozle draft, i.e. one/two of the questions in a sheep draft "Players with names starting with A", or something. It's not good enough as a draft theme but definitely a fun/random question for a sheep draft.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Keeping it current:

List of Drafts:

Draft I: Cal?'s - New Fantasy Draft (Winner: Cal?)
Draft II: Polaroid's - Retro Fantasy Draft - all players born in 60s (Winner: Polaroid)
Draft III: Cal?'s - 70s Fantasy Draft (Winner: Cling Bak)
Draft IV: Brwned's - 50s Fantasy Draft (Winner: Brwned)
Draft V: All -Time Fantasy Draft (Winner: antohan)
Draft VI: Theon's - Champions League Draft (Winner: Gio)
Draft VII: Aldo's - Decades Draft (Winner: Theon)
Draft VIII: Future Stars Draft (Winner: NM)
Draft IX: World Cup Peak Draft (Winner: Annahnomoss)
Draft X: Aldo's - Sheep Draft (Winner Gio)
Draft XI: Polaroid's - Transfer Muppet Draft (Winner: MJJ)
Draft XII: Annahnomoss's - Auction Draft (Winner: Cutch/Annah)
Draft XIII: rpitroda's - Criteria Draft (Winner: Aldo)
Draft XIV: EAP's - Reality Draft (Winner: antohan)
Draft XV: Annahnomoss's - Managers Draft (Winner: EAP)
Draft XVI: crappycraperson's - British Irish Draft (Winner: MJJ)
Draft XVII: EAP's - Modern Era Draft (Winner: Theon)
Draft XVIII: Skizzo's - Second Sheep Draft (Winner: Cutch)
Draft XIX: Balu's - Euro Draft (Winner: Joga Bonito)
Draft XX: Annahnomoss's - All Time Auction Draft (Winner: Cal?)
Draft XXI: Skizzo's All Time Premier League Draft (Winner: TBC)
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how far back does this list go? I am sure I was an AM to Walrus or someone like that in an U23 draft some time in 2011 and there was also a draft of current players born before C.Ronaldo and after Messi
 
just a thought, think we should stop with suggestions for reinforcements after someone wins his game. In most cases the manager will strengthen his side in proper areas but there is always chance for a feck up(cal the best and latest example with Carlos in the last draft) so to up the odds for something like that i think we should stop it :)
 
Šjor Bepo said:
just a thought, think we should stop with suggestions for reinforcements after someone wins his game. In most cases the manager will strengthen his side in proper areas but there is always chance for a feck up(cal the best and latest example with Carlos in the last draft) so to up the odds for something like that i think we should stop it :)
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Yup. The same should apply to the general draft thread too where people usually post their line up before they play the game to get all the critique they can to address it before the match.

Half the fun is the tactical battle between the two managers, which is completely gone when people already asks for opinions on their team in the draft threads.
 
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