Next Draft - Ideas and Discussions
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Im available and bored so count me in
@antohan
The words Lead Zeppelin come to mind.
You're right we should focus on the score but I think it's be impractical to be able to vote for more than 2 goals a game due to the number of possible permutations unless Niall can allow the score predictor for the match day threads in place of a poll for a thread.
I don't think many will change their score (because working it out will take some time) and it they do it'll have much less impact than voting so it goes to penalties like we have at present.
The only issue in my mind is whether you win if you score a higher average number of goals than the opposition or do we round them to normal scores- the latter could make penalties more common but we'd have to wait and see.
Re- 3 year peak. I think it's a good guideline for voters to use but requiring managers to pick them is a bit cumbersome and I think voters ignore them. All I think we need to do is to make managers declare what version of a player they're using if they had distinct periods such as Scholes and not let them create a hybrid superstar
The words Lead Zeppelin come to mind.
You're right we should focus on the score but I think it's be impractical to be able to vote for more than 2 goals a game due to the number of possible permutations unless Niall can allow the score predictor for the match day threads in place of a poll for a thread.
I don't think many will change their score (because working it out will take some time) and it they do it'll have much less impact than voting so it goes to penalties like we have at present.
The only issue in my mind is whether you win if you score a higher average number of goals than the opposition or do we round them to normal scores- the latter could make penalties more common but we'd have to wait and see.
Re- 3 year peak. I think it's a good guideline for voters to use but requiring managers to pick them is a bit cumbersome and I think voters ignore them. All I think we need to do is to make managers declare what version of a player they're using if they had distinct periods such as Scholes and not let them create a hybrid superstar
Am in, had a nice two months break.
Agreed on both counts. Doesn't even have to be a long hiatus - 3 or 4 weeks would be plenty.
Here you go...
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-reality-draft-main-thread-finals.396289/
It was more fun oriented than pure team building. Had random events and forced restrictions around which a manager is compelled to build his team. Kinda builds on the concept that in reality managers inherit a team and never build from scratch. So you inherit 3 (randomly allocated players) players who MUST play. In subsequent rounds, a random injury to the winning team's playing 11 refreshes the tactics/strategy and keeps next round fresh. I thought it was fun! Tevezobola in Pg 38 was hilarious!
Guy I say rather than who wins I think what score will it be and adding draws into..
Too many would be tight affairs maybe a goal in it and end up very one sided
Too many would be tight affairs maybe a goal in it and end up very one sided
Would be up for another one...
Three goals must definitely be a possibility, and in the event of equal wins GD should settle it, then goals scored. Otherwise you punish the more adventurous teams and privilege Mourinho sides.
I'll be in depending on the criteria. If it interes me, sure. If not, no.
Ah, I was thinking of using goal difference as a first port of call to really give the score itself a greater impact- hence the average score comment. Otherwise it's just a way of settling draws
Only allowed to the pick players born after a certain point and who have not played in the Champions League.
I think premiership last season based on their performances last season only.. wont be the same old players and you sill have to pick some bottom half players as well would be tricky
Has there ever been a "one club player" draft? Would there be enough players of quality?
I'm not sure a break really helps. Unless the draft master kicks everyone in the ass all the time, the games will drag out. Without pressure, most managers are lazy or prefer to wait until a perfect date is possible. It was never different. The World Cup draft went on for ages for example, the first round of games took almost a month and I don't think there was a lack of hunger back then.
Just make it a rule that everyone has to submit the tactics within 3 days after the drafting/reinforcements are done. The games have to be played within 7 days. If the managers fail to agree to a date, the draft master starts the game on a day that suits him and fits in the schedule. No excuses. If your private life or your job gets in the way, you just have to accept it.
I'd love another sheep draft or a current draft, something like 2014-15 or in that area. Count me in as well at the hunger list @Šjor Bepo 
Gerrard?
Gerrard?
I was thinking of himself and Casillas when I posted earlier. Technically, if we started quickly, they'd both be options.
It might throw up a few different names to the usual drafts because after the obvious few to begin with, people would need to get creative!
We'd end up with some legends of the game, Maldini, Giggs & co and a whole bunch of kids
Maybe more than 10yrs at a club to makes things easier?
Or minimum of 10 seasons and keep the one club rule. Would be interesting to see people really have to work for their team with some less high profile players.
I'm in favour of whatever stops stupid shit like this
What a waste of fecking time it all turns out to be when matches get voted on like this
What a waste of fecking time it all turns out to be when matches get voted on like this
I'm in favour of whatever stops stupid shit like this
What a waste of fecking time it all turns out to be when matches get voted on like this
To be honest you did deserve it after I screwed up the initial lineup.I'd like a 14/15 PL draft to get a better understanding of who performed last season and what we can expect going in to the new season. Could be done every summer, really. Regardless of what the theme will be, put me on the preliminary list (might opt out if i don't like the theme). Who's making the list?
I need redemption, I have had a couple shockers recently. Put me down if it is anything other than an auction draft.
Ahh it wasn't that big a deal really. It would have given us an edge to start, but plenty of game left
Just more bitter about the voting/comments about preferring our team but voting elsewhere to keep it close. Then we lose because of it. If you prefer one team...vote for them...don't feck around like an idiot.
I'm in for the next one btw. I'm a glutton for punishment.
Agree with every word.
Sounds like a good criterion (eugh, who uses that word?) for a round in a sheep draft.
Count me out of 14/15 PL draft.
Anything else I don't mind participating/running.
Anything else I don't mind participating/running.
Other ideas:
1) Non-European, Non-South American All-time Draft
2) Real Madrid Draft(all players must have played for them).
3) Teammate Draft: You picked Messi. The next player you drafted must be a player he played with on a club team. We can make it harder that no three straight player can be on the same player. Pick 1: Messi Pick 2: Luis Suarez Pick 3: the player cannot play with Messi. He only played with Luis Suarez,
4) Letter Draft. Pick 1: Pele. The following pick must be a player with his first name starring with "E". Pick 2: Eder. Pick 3: Ronaldo Pick 4: Owen hargreaves Pick 5: Sami Khedira.....
5)Non-WC winning national draft: No player from Brazil, Argentina, Spain, Germany, Italy,Uruguay, England and France. I can include second place teams such as Hungary, Holland, etc.
Or How about a draft where you can assign seasonal form?
1. Can only pick players from 2004-2005 to 2014-2015. So exactly 11 seasons. (Or whatever time period)
2. A nation and a club can only be represented once in your team.
3. You must assign a seasonal form to each of your player.
For example:
Messi (Argentina)(Barcelona)(2008-2009.)
So your team cannot have another Argentinian or Barcelona player, and you cannot assign the 2008-2009 seasonal form to anyone else in your team.
I think the small talent pool of just 11 seasons can create an interesting game where participants have to search for those one season wonders. For example, Adebayor isn't the best player in the world, but in 2007-2008, he did score 30 goals for Arsenal. There are a number of players who were good, never world class, but would make good picks because they had that one season that put them right up there among the very best. On the other hand, the likes of Giggs may not be as good a pick.
1) Non-European, Non-South American All-time Draft
2) Real Madrid Draft(all players must have played for them).
3) Teammate Draft: You picked Messi. The next player you drafted must be a player he played with on a club team. We can make it harder that no three straight player can be on the same player. Pick 1: Messi Pick 2: Luis Suarez Pick 3: the player cannot play with Messi. He only played with Luis Suarez,
4) Letter Draft. Pick 1: Pele. The following pick must be a player with his first name starring with "E". Pick 2: Eder. Pick 3: Ronaldo Pick 4: Owen hargreaves Pick 5: Sami Khedira.....
5)Non-WC winning national draft: No player from Brazil, Argentina, Spain, Germany, Italy,Uruguay, England and France. I can include second place teams such as Hungary, Holland, etc.
Or How about a draft where you can assign seasonal form?
1. Can only pick players from 2004-2005 to 2014-2015. So exactly 11 seasons. (Or whatever time period)
2. A nation and a club can only be represented once in your team.
3. You must assign a seasonal form to each of your player.
For example:
Messi (Argentina)(Barcelona)(2008-2009.)
So your team cannot have another Argentinian or Barcelona player, and you cannot assign the 2008-2009 seasonal form to anyone else in your team.
I think the small talent pool of just 11 seasons can create an interesting game where participants have to search for those one season wonders. For example, Adebayor isn't the best player in the world, but in 2007-2008, he did score 30 goals for Arsenal. There are a number of players who were good, never world class, but would make good picks because they had that one season that put them right up there among the very best. On the other hand, the likes of Giggs may not be as good a pick.
Sounds great. I assume you would take returned players? E.g. Matthäus doing two spells at Bayern and jointly adding up to ten seasons? (more than ten in fact, but neither spell was ten years).
Ahh it wasn't that big a deal really. It would have given us an edge to start, but plenty of game left
Just more bitter about the voting/comments about preferring our team but voting elsewhere to keep it close. Then we lose because of it. If you prefer one team...vote for them...don't feck around like an idiot.
I'm in for the next one btw. I'm a glutton for punishment.
I feel you man. Just like you, I lost my second final that way. I was leading, only to see it drawn at the last minute, then the casting vote went to the only manager who hadn't voted but three of his players were in the rival team. As it turned out the draw was the result of a petty vote because the guy didn't like something I said in another thread
The good news is I did get a draft win at the third attempt.
An auction draft with a limited set of players each round could be quite interesting. Set a budget at the start. Then you could have a full XI each round, themed in some way, be it Hungary '54, Barca '11, or a Fergie duds XI. Everyone sends in bids for all players each round, with "no bid" allowed, obviously, players go to the highest bidder. After 8/16 rounds everyone has a team together - a couple of additional rounds for back-ups and an open unpicked player round and it's good to go.
It has
- a limited pool of players
- the XIs could have interesting themes
- a certain suspense if the kind of player you want/need will be available
- need to gamble on quality as you don't know if other options will be better or way worse
It has
- a limited pool of players
- the XIs could have interesting themes
- a certain suspense if the kind of player you want/need will be available
- need to gamble on quality as you don't know if other options will be better or way worse
Not sure about the pool depth for the first, are you planning to field Micronesians? The second just sounds wrong on a Manchester United forum. The 5th will get too obscure unless you play 8 teams, but then it wouldn't draw out gems. The fourth will be chaos given player names aren't always standardised, e.g. some will go Ji Sung Park, others Park Ji Sung and so on. Pelé or Edson Arantes or Edson Arantes do Nascimento? I really like the the third, in the harder version.
I would be wary of anything too peak based, we know full well the average voter doesn't really process that. Not even managers. Sometimes great cases are made (e.g. Adriano) but they only really work in early rounds, come the finals all that lip service goes out of the window and he is out of his depth.
What about a present day (d.o.b later than 1st Jan 1980 say) sheep draft?
Edit: minus messi and ronaldo
Edit: minus messi and ronaldo
PL (92-15) sheep draft.
You would have to make sure the 8/16 XIs amount to a reasonable spread of quality players for each and every position. Even then, I think you would need to publish the XIs in advance so planning has some role, otherwise it's pot luck with no real skill involved. Each manager would have to send you 11 choices in order and with a fee or no bid attached as you can't keep asking those blocked to rebid.
Good luck modding that.
Players which have never won a major tournament (CL/EC/WC/EL)
Yep I like also. I think it's been a long time since a PL draft iirc
I feel you man. Just like you, I lost my second final that way. I was leading, only to see it drawn at the last minute, then the casting vote went to the only manager who hadn't voted but three of his players were in the rival team. As it turned out the draw was the result of a petty vote because the guy didn't like something I said in another thread
The good news is I did get a draft win at the third attempt.
Yeah, it's an unfortunate side effect of the voting, although not much way around it that I can see. You'll still get voters who vote against players they don't like...or always for players they do. Vengeance voting is always a fun ride too