Next Draft - Ideas and Discussions

[Moby]

I shamelessly stole your OP, so it was good you did yours first

Now get back to arguing about Nationalism

Some of the sheep drafts I've played on other forums are brutal as f*ck. Tailor made format for sadist draft admins. Which is why I really wanted to see @antohan run one.

 

[Marty1968]

Yeah, I think it's time for a Sheep draft again. Random and evil fun.

I can run it this time. Who's up to play?

I'd be up for a sheep draft..they're great fun. Wouldn't be able to start before 1st September though as I'm away from 21st to 31st August...

 

[Moby]

Yeah I'll prefer it to be in September as well, teh current one is still only at the QF stage so there's a bit of time for it to finish.

 

[Heine]

Considering what I wrote earlier I would love if there was a Sheep draft (if my vote counts) :-p Would also be great with a late round "A player who has never played on any team or national team that another player on your team has played on" That would be a hellish criteria :-p

 

[antohan]

Over the last few pages there have been a number of disparate ideas thrown around that perhaps don't have the gravitas to hold a draft on their own but would be a solid part of a tricky sheep draft.

Shhh! That's what got me all excited again about resuscitating the Bamboozle draft!

 

[diarm]

I've never done a Sheep draft but I'd be very interested in AM'ing for someone.

 

[antohan]

No idea, mate. After this if no one else has anything on. I still have to think of something new. Maybe add nationality/club restrictions or something to give it a change to previous ones.

I'm planning an all-time vanilla draft. Primarily a sheep draft but will have snake sections, power cards, auction elements, puzzles with rewards, all sorts of restrictions... Like an iczster WW game basically

I plan to do it around January so ideally we won't have sheep/all-time formats in November/December.

 

[green_smiley]

Yeah, I think it's time for a Sheep draft again. Random and evil fun.

I can run it this time. Who's up to play?

Spoiler: Spoiler

 

[Moby]

Count me in for teh sheep draft as of now, will let you know if something comes up.

 

[antohan]

Considering what I wrote earlier I would love if there was a Sheep draft (if my vote counts) :-p Would also be great with a late round "A player who has never played on any team or national team that another player on your team has played on" That would be a hellish criteria :-p

you just blew the lid on R10: the loner

The idea is every round will have a name and they will be laid out in advance, add a bit of spice with people second guessing what they might be about.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

I'm planning an all-time vanilla draft. Primarily a sheep draft but will have snake sections, power cards, auction elements, puzzles with rewards, all sorts of restrictions... Like an iczster WW game basically

I plan to do it around January so ideally we won't have sheep/all-time formats in November/December.

I was just doing a fairly straight one with insane criteria. Do you want me to switch to a different draft?

 

[antohan]

I was just doing a fairly straight one with insane criteria. Do you want me to switch to a different draft?

Nah, it's not like everyone should sit around waiting. People are interested in a sheep draft next, go for it.

 

[Moby]

Right, so looks like it's decided that we'll be trying out the scoreline system in polls for the next draft, right?

Might as well give the whole goalkeeper rating system a shot. In the light of today's events (Shay fkin Given) we can perhaps together come up with a three tier rating system as @antohan said. A universal one can be done and kept for any all time draft, and the for the rest of course it depends on the pool. We should try to think of a simple solution to incorporate that rating into penos though. The probabilities one suggested earlier is not bad but maybe to start with, the tier 1 gets to save a penalty that he was supposed to miss acc to the manager's instructions, and the tier 3 one gets to f*ck up a pen that he was supposed to save, basically a simple + 1/-1 handicap. Not that that would have changed anything today

Talking of which, also prohibit setting all 5 penos in the same direction. I know, it is one's choice, but it is not realistic and also eliminates complete washouts like today's.

 

[crappycraperson]

I think if we are going for scoreline based voting..we should keep the voting private... may be just reveal it at HT or something

 

[Šjor Bepo]

@Aldo i like it and it would be great if gk would get some value in the games but the biggest problem is, who will decide which gk belongs to which tier...

 

[Moby]

@Aldo i like it and it would be great if gk would get some value in the games but the biggest problem is, who will decide which gk belongs to which tier...

There would need to be a consensus for it, which I don't think is a big issue. An initial distribution into the three tiers can be proposed by anyone based on common knowledge and after that whatever objections people have can be later amended. No need to waste a lot of time on this, this should be a simple exercise and in case of a conflict, just go with the majority.

What also can be done is let everyone finish drafting, and a group of neutrals looks at the 16 or whatever keepers picked and they themselves decide how to distribute them and the rest need to abide by it. This is important mainly because you can't come up with every name who played in goal before a draft has begun, whatever the pool be, and you'd practically be telling the participants on which are the top GKs for that draft to pick, which is against the very basic fundamental of drafting. We have a large group of people involved in drafts these days so there's always a bunch of neutrals overlooking the proceedings so this shouldn't be an issue.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

@Aldo the neutrals is probably the way to go, im all for it and hopefully we will start with this in the next draft.....

One more thing, i mentioned it before also....we should make a 3 year peak as a rule for majority of drafts, every draft where you could use it we should pick the peak and put it in the tactics just like we did for All-Time Draft. We had situations in this draft where someone wasnt sure which version of Scholes was playing, i was not sure which version of Bale and the list go on....

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Keep it simple. The more we try to complicate stuff, the lesser value it adds, imo.

 

[Physiocrat]

@Aldo the neutrals is probably the way to go, im all for it and hopefully we will start with this in the next draft.....

One more thing, i mentioned it before also....we should make a 3 year peak as a rule for majority of drafts, every draft where you could use it we should pick the peak and put it in the tactics just like we did for All-Time Draft. We had situations in this draft where someone wasnt sure which version of Scholes was playing, i was not sure which version of Bale and the list go on....

I initially championed the three year peak listing but it made it unnecessarily complicated. As long as the manager explains clearly which version of the player he's using (when they've had distinct stages a la Scholes) then it should be fine. If we add that as a guideline and pressure everyone to follow then it would come common practice. Another issue in naming the three year peak is that opposition managers will say that, for example, Maldini never played at right back in those years. Obviously he could have done but didn't, however it encourages conservative use of players rather than thinking what they could have done which is part of the fantasy draft. For that reason I liked the no teamates idea so we can do away with proven partnerships and consider what could have been - e.g. Berbatov as world class sweeper

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

So who's running the next one? @Aldo @antohan

Sheep?
Chain?
South American players only?
40s/50s?
Criteria?

Anyone else interested in running a draft, put your idea in here so that we can debate and choose.

I want to try the chain draft here. Not been done before and think will be a new challenge.

 

[Moby]

Go ahead.

 

[Skizzo]

So who's running the next one? @Aldo @antohan

Sheep?
Chain?
South American players only?
40s/50s?
Criteria?

Anyone else interested in running a draft, put your idea in here so that we can debate and choose.

I want to try the chain draft here. Not been done before and think will be a new challenge.

What requirement for the chain? Has to have played with the previous player....or not played with the previous player?

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

What requirement for the chain? Has to have played with the previous player....or not played with the previous player?

HAS to have played with previous pick & should NOT have played with the pick before previous pick.

Format:

Snake Draft

1st Pick: Player A
2nd Pick: Player B (Should have played with player A)
3rd Pick: Player C (Should have played with Player B, but NOT with Player A)
4th Pick: Player D (Should have played with Player C, but NOT with Player B)

...and so on...

Other restrictions:

Maximum 3 players by country of birth (anto's definition)
Every manager must submit 2 players to be blocked from draft at beginning.
If a manager gets stuck, he can pick a mod approved legacy (like O'Shea / Wes Brown) player and restart the chain. Can restart any number of times. Such picked legacy players MUST play match 1.

 

[Tuppet]

HAS to have played with previous pick & should NOT have played with the pick before previous pick.

Format:

Snake Draft

1st Pick: Player A
2nd Pick: Player B (Should have played with player A)
3rd Pick: Player C (Should have played with Player B, but NOT with Player A)
4th Pick: Player D (Should have played with Player C, but NOT with Player B)

...and so on...

Other restrictions:

Maximum 3 players by country of birth (anto's definition)
Every manager must submit 2 players to be blocked from draft at beginning.
If a manager gets stuck, he can pick a mod approved legacy (like O'Shea / Wes Brown) player and restart the chain. Can restart any number of times. Such picked legacy players MUST play match 1.

Sounds brilliant, count me in. It's probably gonna start after the current draft's final right ?

 

[mazhar13]

HAS to have played with previous pick & should NOT have played with the pick before previous pick.

Format:

Snake Draft

1st Pick: Player A
2nd Pick: Player B (Should have played with player A)
3rd Pick: Player C (Should have played with Player B, but NOT with Player A)
4th Pick: Player D (Should have played with Player C, but NOT with Player B)

...and so on...

Other restrictions:

Maximum 3 players by country of birth (anto's definition)
Every manager must submit 2 players to be blocked from draft at beginning.
If a manager gets stuck, he can pick a mod approved legacy (like O'Shea / Wes Brown) player and restart the chain. Can restart any number of times. Such picked legacy players MUST play match 1.

Ooh, I love this idea. It should make for some really interesting teams and a very fun draft.

 

[diarm]

I'd like to be an AM for someone this time round. I enjoyed the last one but I think I made a few newbie mistakes (wasted an Arsenal pick as keeper, picked Terry and Beckham, voted in the Semi Final etc) so I'd like to do my time under someone more experienced!

 

[antohan]

I'd like to be an AM for someone this time round. I enjoyed the last one but I think I made a few newbie mistakes (wasted an Arsenal pick as keeper, picked Terry and Beckham, voted in the Semi Final etc) so I'd like to do my time under someone more experienced!

Sod that, you did a great job. Playing is the best way to learn, happy to bounce ideas over PM if you want. Not an AM though, won't get too involved/take over.

 

[diarm]

Sod that, you did a great job. Playing is the best way to learn, happy to bounce ideas over PM if you want. Not an AM though, won't get too involved/take over.

Alright fair enough so. Count me in.

 

[Annahnomoss]

I'd like to be an AM for someone this time round. I enjoyed the last one but I think I made a few newbie mistakes (wasted an Arsenal pick as keeper, picked Terry and Beckham, voted in the Semi Final etc) so I'd like to do my time under someone more experienced!

You did great mate. It is easy to be self critical in these drafts as you only really think about your own mistakes while the truth is that everybody makes mistakes every draft no matter how many you play. There is so much randomness involved that even the best strategy can become a mistake in the end.

Even when you win these things you won't do it without having made any sort of blunders at all that is what makes it fun as it is unpredictable.

 

[mazhar13]

I'd like to be an AM for someone this time round. I enjoyed the last one but I think I made a few newbie mistakes (wasted an Arsenal pick as keeper, picked Terry and Beckham, voted in the Semi Final etc) so I'd like to do my time under someone more experienced!

Nah, it wouldn't be as fun as getting involved in the game. I've been an AM in three different drafts, and I've concluded that it isn't as fun as being a manager and having all control over your team.

If you don't want full responsibility, though, I can suggest you to partner up with someone as something like a co-manager (sort of like crappy-MJJ or Skizzopat?).

 

[Stobzilla]

HAS to have played with previous pick & should NOT have played with the pick before previous pick.

Format:

Snake Draft

1st Pick: Player A
2nd Pick: Player B (Should have played with player A)
3rd Pick: Player C (Should have played with Player B, but NOT with Player A)
4th Pick: Player D (Should have played with Player C, but NOT with Player B)

...and so on...

Other restrictions:

Maximum 3 players by country of birth (anto's definition)
Every manager must submit 2 players to be blocked from draft at beginning.
If a manager gets stuck, he can pick a mod approved legacy (like O'Shea / Wes Brown) player and restart the chain. Can restart any number of times. Such picked legacy players MUST play match 1.

Oh aye, on it.

(Of course I am, it's a disease)

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

I enjoyed the last one but I think I made a few newbie mistakes

Everybody does, newbie or not. Anto as your AM will 'guide' you (with a baseball bat, I presume)

I'm still chuffed at myself about Annah's all time draft. Such open and unrestricted pool and I still couldn't build a team to get to even Semi's!

Edit: You should always let the evil in you rule the draft!

 

[Pat_Mustard]

I'd like to be an AM for someone this time round. I enjoyed the last one but I think I made a few newbie mistakes (wasted an Arsenal pick as keeper, picked Terry and Beckham, voted in the Semi Final etc) so I'd like to do my time under someone more experienced!

You did a fantastic job mate. Drafted well and argued your case brilliantly in the match threads. I'd agree with Mazhar though:

If you don't want full responsibility, though, I can suggest you to partner up with someone as something like a co-manager (sort of like crappy-MJJ or Skizzopat?).

that this is a good way to go. Everyone's different but for me all the strategising and conspiring by PM is the most fun part of these drafts. It also means you don't have to be online quite as often during the drafting, and when one of you is overthinking things or about to have a mammoth brainfart the other one can talk sense into them .

 

[harms]

I love it, but I'll be in NY for the next fortnight and probably won't have time Still, tag me when you start please

 

[green_smiley]

HAS to have played with previous pick & should NOT have played with the pick before previous pick.

Format:

Snake Draft

1st Pick: Player A
2nd Pick: Player B (Should have played with player A)
3rd Pick: Player C (Should have played with Player B, but NOT with Player A)
4th Pick: Player D (Should have played with Player C, but NOT with Player B)

...and so on...

Does it cover national team? Or only club level?

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

I love it, but I'll be in NY for the next fortnight and probably won't have time Still, tag me when you start please

Welcome here! Let's catch up and discuss drafting strategies!

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Does it cover national team? Or only club level?

Only club, though I plan to have a single 'get out of jail free' card which you can use to switch to national link. Back to club link after use.

Let me put it together in a single post tomorrow...

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

OK, here is the draft OP:

Chain Draft:

Draft Type: Snake

Overall Rules:
O1 - All time draft
O2 - There'll be a Pre-Draft block round where every manager can nominate 2 players who'll be banned from this draft.

Draft Boss Rules:
B1 - All matches will be for 24 hrs
B2 - All draft picks will be on 8 hr intervals. More time can be granted on Boss's sole discretion (in case of quick picks).
B3 - No Assistant Managers. It wastes more time. But non-playing members can act as a 'scout' recommending players. Manager have the only say in teams. Scouts cannot vote for manager's games. Scouts can only argue in absence of Manager in game threads.
B4 - Playing managers vote count twice. Please honour the code and avoid tactical voting.
B5 - Once posted, the pick stands. No changing. Take care before you post.

Theme of Draft (Chain) Rules:
T1 - Not more than 4 players from the same decade (birthday as per wiki)

Method of Drafting:
M1 - Snake order randomized by a neutral. Initial draft teams should be 12 players per team.
M2 - Picks to be linked by club career only. See Special Rules for further details.

Step 1 ~ 1st pick is open.
Step 2 ~ 2nd pick will be a player who has to have played his earlier pick. You need to mention club linked during the pick.
Step 3 ~ 3rd pick will be player who has to have played his his previous pick but NOT with the 'one before previous' player picked.
Step x ~ Cycle Step 2 & step 3 and continue till teams have been completed.​

Special Rules:
S1 - Every manager has one 'nation link card' to play. He can declare this card before and use the national team link to make the current pick. This card activates after the manager has picked 7 players (8th pick and onwards). Subsequent picks are back to club linked players only.
S2 - Every manager has one 'Reset' card to play. Card can be played anytime from 4th pick and after. When played, his current cycle will be broken and he gets back to Step 1 mentioned in rule M2 above. When requesting the restart the manager will forfeit the pick he currently is on. This pick will be used by the Draft Mod to allocate a 'Legacy Player' for a position (excluding GK) that can be requested by the manager.
* Legacy Player will be a good player, but not a standard draft pickup. Example: Carrick, Kuyt, Hargreaves etc.

Reinforcement Rules
R1 - Open reinforcements. i.e. not restricted to players picked in R1. Can pick new players previously not picked in this draft.
R2 - 2 reinforcement players per round.
R3 - Players picked in reinforcements must have a club link bottom 5 of your R1 picks. i.e Picks 8 - 12 both inclusive. Standard rule for all subsequent rounds.

 

[VivaJanuzaj]

@Edgar Allan Pillow when is it planned to start? Still need me to co-host?

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

@Edgar Allan Pillow when is it planned to start? Still need me to co-host?

Don't know. Was thinking a week or two after this one is done. Depends on whether enough people are interested in playing...

yes, if you do not have time to play, help is appreciated!

As of now only 4 people + myself have signed up.

Tuppet
mazar13 (are you in?)
diarm/antohan
Stobzilla
harms (are you in?)