Next Draft - Ideas and Discussions

My suggestion is: no constraints at all.

BUT you don't have the right to have in the starting 11 more than 2 mega stars (say blocked list in current draft), 3 super stars (current super stars list).

Something like that.

Fixed starting price. :nono:

@Indnyc I think tiers are good as we've seen so many times managers grabbing a GOAT in SF or Finals for base price, because opponent needs reinforcing in a different position. Also having starting bids ensures no all GOAT teams. Keep it as it is.

This is the only one admissible argument.

I agree with the others - fixed prices for all those above 50 m makes it a bit boring in terms of bidding. Maybe put lower fixed prices - thus we will have a bigger bidding wars and generally more intense process.

I wouldn't put active bid limit though. Nominations yes but not limit your active bids for the very same reason.

Why?
 
I think an auction draft with a similar blocklist like Don Alfredo's will have more active bidding wars.

No blocks. You should be free to pick whoever you want within the budget constraints

I say remove the tiers, let the market decide!

I agree that it's a bit weird. I would understand 2 tiers, for example (with low estimates — like 50 and 20), so that the likes of Di Stefano won't go for absolute peanuts, but this detailed pre-trade system takes a lot of fun out of auction. You have to be able to make a few bargains/steals, which is pretty much impossible in this format.

The reason for the tiers is to ensure someone like Di Stefano isn't available for cheap. You can get bargains at the lower end of the scale.. Majority of players are available for 30m to 50m

I can consider to reduce the prices further to make it a more active bidding process. Say for example keep the GOATs starting at 120m instead of 150m

I'm not against a limited block list: say Pele, Maradona, Di Stefano.. 10 players maximum.

We belong to the same camp: deregulated and fun auction draft.

A maximum of 5 active bids per managers would be great.

12 hours to secure a deal and make the process more long?

Decent sheep allocated to somebody who hasn't respected the financial constraints (budgets) and # of players --- a decent sheep is somebody like Thomas Meunier.

#Liberalism #Freedom of movement #no constraints

2 active nominations per manager to start so it is easier to manage the list. Unlimited number of bids on the existing nominations

I am actively trying to ensure there are more bids.

I agree with the others - fixed prices for all those above 50 m makes it a bit boring in terms of bidding. Maybe put lower fixed prices - thus we will have a bigger bidding wars and generally more intense process.

I wouldn't put active bid limit though. Nominations yes but not limit your active bids for the very same reason.

We need to have fixed prices otherwise the reinforcement rounds lose value. I will look into reducing the player prices a bit more to make the auction process fun
 
I agree that it's a bit weird. I would understand 2 tiers, for example (with low estimates — like 50 and 20), so that the likes of Di Stefano won't go for absolute peanuts, but this detailed pre-trade system takes a lot of fun out of auction. You have to be able to make a few bargains/steals, which is pretty much impossible in this format.
Yeah. Two issues I see with a fully unregulated auction - one is getting GOATs on the cheap based on a lack of competition within the market which happens in the reinforcement rounds. And the second is incentivising managers to bid rather than hold out forever waiting for everyone else to blow their budgets. As long as those two situations are covered within the rules, I don't see much added value from being over prescriptive with prices for all players.
 
Yeah. Two issues I see with a fully unregulated auction - one is getting GOATs on the cheap based on a lack of competition within the market which happens in the reinforcement rounds. And the second is incentivising managers to bid rather than hold out forever waiting for everyone else to blow their budgets. As long as those two situations are covered within the rules, I don't see much added value from being over prescriptive with prices for all players.

I am deregulating it further by making the prices cheaper with the same budget. It should encourage more bids

Will introduce 2 additional rules

a) Within a 24 hour period, you should have 2 active nominations and at least 1 bid on the board else you are docked 10m

b) The reinforcement prices will be the final traded prices rather than base price. This should ensure GOATS are not available for cheap
 
I am deregulating it further by making the prices cheaper with the same budget. It should encourage more bids

Will introduce 2 additional rules

a) Within a 24 hour period, you should have 2 active nominations and at least 1 bid on the board else you are docked 10m

b) The reinforcement prices will be the final traded prices rather than base price. This should ensure GOATS are not available for cheap
Those are good suggestions.

I'd probably have trading player as a base value or even at a 10m loss to encourage trading between managers. We had many auction drafts and rarely see a trade between managers which is a shame.
 
Could bring in the tier prices just for the reinforcements. Means we have the crazy bidding wars early on, but still allows for bargains. Also prevents the scenario of picking up GOATs in reinforcements for 20m
 
Could bring in the tier prices just for the reinforcements. Means we have the crazy bidding wars early on, but still allows for bargains. Also prevents the scenario of picking up GOATs in reinforcements for 20m

Let me post the new prices and rules.
 
Auction Draft - Updated Rules and Prices

Rules

R.1) All players named in the player list below are eligible and do not require proof of match. Any unlisted player born before 31st Dec 1939 requires a full match to be available to be eligible. Unlisted players born after on or after 1st Jan 1940 are eligible and don’t require a full match

R.2) In case of drawn matches, team with goalkeeper with higher value will win (Winning bid amount). In case of same value, a neutral panel will decide which goalkeeper is better.

R.3) Initial funds of 700m for a 13 player squad. No substitutions allowed in the match but if you progress to next round, you must play your 12th and 13th player. By Q/F round, your entire squad must be utilized.

R.4) 2 players per reinforcement round; 1 for final. 50m extra funds will be available per reinforcement round

R.5) Within a 24 hour period, you should have 2 active nominations and at least 1 bid on the board else you are docked 10m

R.6) The reinforcement prices will be the final traded prices rather than base price.
Bid Process:

B.1 - Once posted, it's final. No edits / change to bids (player or value) permitted. No deletions or revoking your bids either.

B.3 - Upbids only in multiples of 10m. 10m minimum upbid. During final 3 hrs of the bid, up bids of minimum 20m only.

B.4 - Bids get finalized after 12hrs of no up-bids.

B.5 - Bid format "dd/mmm - hh:mm - Player Name - Manager Name - value" (e.g. 14/Jan - 23:14 - Marcus Rashford - Indnyc - 100m). 24h time format. GMT timezone only.

B.6 - For players in list, you can only start off with the listed bid value. If not in list minimum starting bid value is 20m.

B.7 - Total bid values cannot be higher than available funds.

Trade Process:

T.1 - Players can be traded with other managers with no restrictions i.e. sell for loss, gain, or at face value.

T.2 - Players can be sold back to the bank at discount. Below are the discounted rates
  • Bid amount greater than or equal to 80m; discount of 20m. For example a 80m player will get 60m back; 160m player gets 140m back
  • Bid amount less than or equal to 70m; discount of 10m. For example 70m player will get 60m back; 50m gets back 40m
Initial Player Value

Pele - 100 m
Diego Maradona -100m
Franz Beckenbauer -100m
Johan Cruyff -100m
Garrincha -100m
Cristiano Ronaldo -100m
Lionel Messi -100m
Alfredo Di Stefano -100m
Eusebio -100m
Ferenc Puskas -100m
Frank Rijkaard -100m
George Best -100m
Gerd Muller -100m
Lothar Matthäus -100m
Luis Ronaldo -100m
Marco Van Basten -100m
Michel Platini -100m
Alessandro Nesta -100m
Bobby Charlton -100m
Bobby Moore -100m
Daniel Passarella -100m
Franco Baresi -100m
Paolo Maldini -100m
Lilian Thuram -100m
Marcel Desailly -100m
Romario -100m

Djalma Santos -70m
Elias Figueroa -70m
Francisco Gento -70m
Gaetano Scirea -70m
Jürgen Kohler -70m
Kurt Hamrin -70m
Luis Figo -70m
Roberto Baggio -70m
Stanley Matthews -70m
Thierry Henry -70m
Xavi -70m
Zico -70m
Zinedine Zidane -70m
Zoltan Czibor -70m
Albert Shesternev (SHESTERNYOV) -70m
Alessandro Costacurta -70m
Alessandro Del Piero -70m
Amancio Amaro -70m
Andrea Pirlo -70m
Andreas Brehme -70m
Andres Iniesta -70m
Andriy Shevchenko -70m
Antonio Cabrini -70m
Bernd Schuster -70m
Berti Vogts -70m
Bixente Lizarazu -70m
Bryan Robson -70m
Cafu -70m
Carlos Alberto -70m
Claude Makelele -70m
David Beckham -70m
Didi -70m
Dino Zoff -70m
Domingos Da Guia -70m
Dragan Dzajic -70m
Duncan Edwards -70m
Edgar Davids -70m
Edwin Van Der Sar -70m
Eric Cantona -70m
Fabio Cannavaro -70m
Fernando Redondo -70m
Francesco Totti -70m
Gabriel Batistuta -70m
Giacinto Facchetti -70m
Gianluigi Buffon -70m
Giuseppe Bergomi -70m
Gordon Banks -70m
Jaap Stam -70m
Jairzinho -70m
Javier Zanetti -70m
Johan Neeskens -70m
Jose Emilio Santamaria -70m
Karl-Heinz Forster -70m
Karl-Heinz Rummenigge -70m
Lev Yashin -70m
Luis Suarez Miramontes (Luisito) -70m
Michael Laudrup -70m
Nilton Santos -70m
Oliver Kahn -70m
Patrick Vieira -70m
Paul Breitner -70m
Paul Mcgrath -70m
Paul Scholes -70m
Paulo Roberto Falcao -70m
Pavel Nedved -70m
Peter Schmeichel -70m
Peter Shilton -70m
Philip Lahm -70m
Pietro Vierchowod -70m
Raymond Kopa -70m
Rio Ferdinand -70m
Roberto Carlos -70m
Roberto Rivellino (Rivelino) -70m
Ronaldinho -70m
Roy Keane -70m
Ruud Gullit -70m
Ruud Krol -70m
Ryan Giggs -70m
Samuel Eto'o -70m
Sandor Kocsis -70m
Sandro Mazzola -70m
Sepp Maier -70m
Silvio Marzolini -70m
Silvio Piola -70m
Socrates -70m
Victor Rodriguez Andrade -70m

Zbigniew Boniek -70m
Arjen Robben -50m
Armando Picchi -50m
Ashley Cole -50m
Bastian Schweinsteiger -50m
Billy Bremner -50m
Branco Zebec -50m
Bruno Conti -50m
Carlos Valderrama -50m
Ciro Ferrara -50m
Clarence Seedorf -50m
Diego Godin -50m
Dani Alves -50m
Dejan Savicevic -50m
Denis Law -50m
Dennis Bergkamp -50m
Didier Deschamps -50m
Diego Simeone -50m
Dunga -50m
Enzo Francescoli -50m
Eric Gerets -50m
Fabien Barthez -50m
Fernando Hierro -50m
Franck Ribery -50m
Frank De Boer -50m
Frantisek Planicka -50m
George Weah -50m
Gerson -50m
Graeme Souness -50m
Gunter Netzer -50m
Gyorgy Sarosi -50m
Gyula Grosics -50m
Hristo Stoichkov -50m
Jean Tigana -50m
Jimmy Johnstone -50m
John Charles -50m
Johnny Rep -50m
Jose Leandro Andrade -50m
Jose Manuel Moreno -50m
Jose Nasazzi -50m
Josef Masopust -50m
Jozsef Bozsik -50m
Juan Alberto Schiaffino -50m
Juan Sebastian Veron -50m
Kaka -50m
Karl-Heinz Schnellinger -50m
Kevin De Bruyne -50m
Laurent Blanc -50m
Luis Monti -50m
Luis Pereira -50m
Luis Suarez (Uruguay) -50m
Luka Modric -50m
Manuel Amoros -50m
Manuel Neuer -50m
Marcelo -50m
Mario Coluna -50m
Marco Tardelli -50m
Mario Zagallo -50m
Marius Tresor -50m
Matthias Sammer -50m
Matthias Sindelar -50m
Maxime Bossis -50m
Michael Ballack -50m
Nandor Hidegkuti -50m
Nemanja Vidic -50m
Neville Southall -50m
Neymar -50m
Obdulio Varela -50m
Oleg Blokhin -50m
Omar Enrique Sivori -50m
Oscar Ruggeri -50m
Paolo Rossi -50m
Patrice Evra -50m
Patrick Jennings -50m
Paul Pogba -50m
Piet Keizer -50m
Pirri -50m
Preben Elkjaer -50m
Raul -50m
Ricardo Carvalho -50m
Rinat Dasayev -50m
Rivaldo -50m
Robert Rensenbrink -50m
Roberto Ayala -50m
Roberto Donadoni -50m
Roberto Rosato -50m
Ronald Koeman -50m
Rui Costa -50m
Ruud Van Nistelrooy -50m
Sol Campbell -50m
Stefan Effenberg -50m
Teofilo Cubillas -50m
Thomas Muller -50m
Toninho Cerezo -50m
Tostao -50m
Ubaldo Matildo Fillol -50m
Uli Stielike -50m
Uwe Seeler -50m
Velibor Vasovic -50m
Vladimir Beara -50m
Wim Van Hanegem -50m
Xabi Alonso -50m
Zlatan Ibrahimovic -50m

Ademir Da Guia -30m
Ademir Marques De Menezes -30m
Adolfo Pedernera -30m
Alain Giresse -30m
Alan Hansen -30m
Alan Shearer -30m
Alberto Spencer -30m
Alcides Ghiggia -30m
Aldair -30m
Allan Simonsen -30m
Amadeo Raul Carrizo -30m
Anatoliy Demyanenko -30m
Andoni Zubizarreta -30m
Andres Mazali -30m
Angel Labruna -30m
Arsenio Erico -30m
Branco -30m
Branko Stankovic -30m
Brian Laudrup -30m
Carles Puyol -30m
Carlos Gamarra -30m
Cesc Fabregas -30m
Christian Panucci -30m
Christian Vieri -30m
Claudio Gentile -30m
Dan Petrescu -30m
Danny Blanchflower -30m
Danny Blind -30m
David Seaman -30m
David Villa -30m
Davor Suker -30m
Deco -30m
Denis Irwin -30m
Didier Drogba -30m
Dixie Dean -30m
Emlyn Hughes -30m
Ernst Ocwirk -30m
Esteban Cambiasso -30m
Frank Lampard -30m
Gaizka Mendieta -30m
Gary Neville -30m
Gheorghe Hagi -30m
Gheorghe Popescu -30m
Giampiero Boniperti -30m
Giancarlo Antognoni -30m
Gianluca Pagliuca -30m
Gianluca Zambrotta -30m
Gianni Rivera -30m
Gilmar Dos Santos Neves -30m
Giuseppe Meazza -30m
Grzegorz Lato -30m
Gunnar Gren -30m
Gunnar Nordahl -30m
Hans-Georg Schwarzenbeck -30m
Hans-Peter Briegel -30m
Harald Schumacher -30m
Harry Kane -30m
Hector Chumpitaz -30m
Hristo Bonev -30m
Hugo Sanchez -30m
Ian Rush -30m
Igor Netto -30m
Iker Casillas -30m
Jair Da Costa -30m
Jan Ceulemans -30m
Jan Popluhar -30m
Jari Litmanen -30m
Jean-Marie Pfaff -30m
Jimmy Greaves -30m
Jocelyn Angloma -30m
John Terry -30m
Jorginho -30m
Jose Antonio Camacho -30m
Jose Luis Chilavert -30m
Juan Joya -30m
Juan Roman Riquelme -30m
Junior -30m
Jurgen Klinsmann -30m
Just Fontaine -30m
Kazimierz Deyna -30m
Kenny Dalglish -30m
Kevin Keegan -30m
Ladislao Kubala -30m
Ladislao Mazurkiewicz -30m
Leonidas -30m
Liam Brady -30m
Lucio -30m
Luis Enrique -30m
Maicon -30m
Manfred Kaltz -30m
Manuel Sanchis -30m
Marc Overmars -30m
Mario Corso -30m
Mario Kempes -30m
Mauro Tassotti -30m
Michael Essien -30m
Michael Owen -30m
Michel -30m
Neil Franklin -30m
Nobby Stiles -30m
Paolo Montero -30m
Paul Gacoigne -30m
Pep Guardiola -30m
Pepi Bican -30m
Petr Cech -30m
Phil Neal -30m
Phillip Cocu -30m
Pierre Littbarski -30m
Rainer Bonhof -30m
Ricardo Zamora -30m
Riccardo Ferri -30m
Rinus Israël -30m
Robert Jarni -30m
Robert Pires -30m
Robert Prosinecki -30m
Roberto Perfumo -30m
Robin van Persie -30m
Ronnie Hellström -30m
Ruben Ayala -30m
Ruben Sosa -30m
Sergi Barjuan -30m
Sergio Busquets -30m
Stefan Reuter -30m
Tarcisio Burgnich -30m
Tom Finney -30m
Valentino Mazzola -30m
Valery Voronin -30m
Walter Zeman -30m
Walter Zenga -30m
Wayne Rooney -30m
Willi Schulz -30m
Willy Sagnol -30m
Wim Suurbier -30m
Wolfgang Overath -30m
Yaya Toure -30m
Ze Roberto -30m
Zizinho -30m
Zvonimir Boban -30m
 
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I'd probably have trading player as a base value or even at a 10m loss to encourage trading between managers. We had many auction drafts and rarely see a trade between managers which is a shame.
Seconded. +10 rule is supposed to get rid of sneaky alliances but with @Tuppet gone I would be incline to trust the drafters not to do it without any additional help. While the auction will only win from the situation where someone buys Maradona for 250 millions, discovers at the very end that he doesn't have enough money to complete his team and is forced to part with Diego for, say, 100 mil that some cautious drafter saved for a rainy day.
 
Those are good suggestions.

I'd probably have trading player as a base value or even at a 10m loss to encourage trading between managers. We had many auction drafts and rarely see a trade between managers which is a shame.

Edited the trading rule
 
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12. Indnyc

@Gio @harms will you guys join?

Also, any thoughts on the new prices and rules.
 
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Also, any thoughts on the new prices and rules.

Looks like you missed me, in.
 
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So going all out early and then to wait is not a permissible strategy? @Indnyc that rules influences strategy. Agree with intent, but people should have freedom to use different strategies.

You can still have that strategy.. You need 13 players with a budget of 700m which requires squad players.. You can pick them first and be conservative saving money for high picks later.. Or sell back to the bank at a discount and pick someone else..

The intent is to make the draft fun and everyone should participate in bidding for players.

Happy to change the rules if there are better suggestions out there
 
So going all out early and then to wait is not a permissible strategy? @Indnyc that rules influences strategy. Agree with intent, but people should have freedom to use different strategies.
How so? You need to have 2 active nominations - not that hard as you have to pick 2 reserve players as well and it's not like all of your nominations will be done for 24 hrs, it may take even couple of days when you get multiple bids on your nomination.

You only need to outbid someone to get another 24 window think it's pretty easy to fit into those requirements.
 
How so? You need to have 2 active nominations - not that hard as you have to pick 2 reserve players as well and it's not like all of your nominations will be done for 24 hrs, it may take even couple of days when you get multiple bids on your nomination.

You only need to outbid someone to get another 24 window think it's pretty easy to fit into those requirements.
Not consistently. Assuming I go big for 2 or 3 goats and then stick with 20m or at best 30m players for rest....I would want to pick some hidden gems for later. By this rule, either I nominate and get crap players or I nominate a gem and get outbid. Not really good mechanics.

Anyways none of previous drafts ever suffered from lack of auction activity till the tail end of the process, so not sure if this enhancement is necessary. In face we had to stop nominations initially to keep lists manageable.
 
Fixed starting price. :nono:

@Indnyc I think tiers are good as we've seen so many times managers grabbing a GOAT in SF or Finals for base price, because opponent needs reinforcing in a different position. Also having starting bids ensures no all GOAT teams. Keep it as it is.

Not consistently. Assuming I go big for 2 or 3 goats and then stick with 20m or at best 30m players for rest....I would want to pick some hidden gems for later. By this rule, either I nominate and get crap players or I nominate a gem and get outbid. Not really good mechanics.

Anyways none of previous drafts ever suffered from lack of auction activity till the tail end of the process, so not sure if this enhancement is necessary. In face we had to stop nominations initially to keep lists manageable.
 
One rule you are arguing against because too many goats, the other rule you are arguing against because not enough goats. Leave poor indy alone!
Dude, you've goythis all wrong.

First point was supporting Indy in tiers and minimum prices.
Second point was agaist Indy on having a active bids and nominations rule.

Not sure how they are related? :confused:
 
Not consistently. Assuming I go big for 2 or 3 goats and then stick with 20m or at best 30m players for rest....I would want to pick some hidden gems for later. By this rule, either I nominate and get crap players or I nominate a gem and get outbid. Not really good mechanics.

Anyways none of previous drafts ever suffered from lack of auction activity till the tail end of the process, so not sure if this enhancement is necessary. In face we had to stop nominations initially to keep lists manageable.

I think you can still wait and build a team after everyone has blown through the budget. Once you’ve made a nomination.. Even if you get outbid, your nomination is valid until it finally gets picked.

What i don’t want is people picking GOATS for too cheap especially because the prices are reduced

Maybe a solution is instead of 2 nominations, we can reduce it to 1 nomination. This would ensure everyone is still participating and it isn’t too restrictive
 
What i don’t want is people picking GOATS for too cheap especially because the prices are reduced
If you have your GOAT lists right, they cannot do so without paying minimum price. That rule does nothing in this regard.

Again to reiterate, there has been no problems in participating in earlier drafts....it was chaos first 2 weeks or so.

Ignoring earlier chaos and picking later has it's risk and may missing popular stars. Still such a strategy should not be discouraged.
 
If you have your GOAT lists right, they cannot do so without paying minimum price. That rule does nothing in this regard.

Again to reiterate, there has been no problems in participating in earlier drafts....it was chaos first 2 weeks or so.

Ignoring earlier chaos and picking later has it's risk and may missing popular stars. Still such a strategy should not be discouraged.

If this is the case then i don’t see a problem with the rule? It would mean people are bidding and nominating anyway so the rule won’t matter

The alternate question is why is there an issue with the rule? The idea is to have more bids because the player prices are cheaper
 
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Not consistently. Assuming I go big for 2 or 3 goats and then stick with 20m or at best 30m players for rest....I would want to pick some hidden gems for later. By this rule, either I nominate and get crap players or I nominate a gem and get outbid. Not really good mechanics.

Anyways none of previous drafts ever suffered from lack of auction activity till the tail end of the process, so not sure if this enhancement is necessary. In face we had to stop nominations initially to keep lists manageable.
So in essence the tactic you have in mind is to blow most of your budget on GOAT's right away and then wait till the end to pick up 10-20m bargains? :lol: Yeah, that's why we should have this in place.
 
You should join in the chaos
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