MJJ
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Well once the bidding starts it is market decided anyway
Not really for example garrincha at 150m might be above the market price.
Well once the bidding starts it is market decided anyway
Fixed starting price.
@Indnyc I think tiers are good as we've seen so many times managers grabbing a GOAT in SF or Finals for base price, because opponent needs reinforcing in a different position. Also having starting bids ensures no all GOAT teams. Keep it as it is.
I agree with the others - fixed prices for all those above 50 m makes it a bit boring in terms of bidding. Maybe put lower fixed prices - thus we will have a bigger bidding wars and generally more intense process.
I wouldn't put active bid limit though. Nominations yes but not limit your active bids for the very same reason.
I think an auction draft with a similar blocklist like Don Alfredo's will have more active bidding wars.
I say remove the tiers, let the market decide!
I agree that it's a bit weird. I would understand 2 tiers, for example (with low estimates — like 50 and 20), so that the likes of Di Stefano won't go for absolute peanuts, but this detailed pre-trade system takes a lot of fun out of auction. You have to be able to make a few bargains/steals, which is pretty much impossible in this format.
I'm not against a limited block list: say Pele, Maradona, Di Stefano.. 10 players maximum.
We belong to the same camp: deregulated and fun auction draft.
A maximum of 5 active bids per managers would be great.
12 hours to secure a deal and make the process more long?
Decent sheep allocated to somebody who hasn't respected the financial constraints (budgets) and # of players --- a decent sheep is somebody like Thomas Meunier.
#Liberalism #Freedom of movement #no constraints
I agree with the others - fixed prices for all those above 50 m makes it a bit boring in terms of bidding. Maybe put lower fixed prices - thus we will have a bigger bidding wars and generally more intense process.
I wouldn't put active bid limit though. Nominations yes but not limit your active bids for the very same reason.
Yeah. Two issues I see with a fully unregulated auction - one is getting GOATs on the cheap based on a lack of competition within the market which happens in the reinforcement rounds. And the second is incentivising managers to bid rather than hold out forever waiting for everyone else to blow their budgets. As long as those two situations are covered within the rules, I don't see much added value from being over prescriptive with prices for all players.I agree that it's a bit weird. I would understand 2 tiers, for example (with low estimates — like 50 and 20), so that the likes of Di Stefano won't go for absolute peanuts, but this detailed pre-trade system takes a lot of fun out of auction. You have to be able to make a few bargains/steals, which is pretty much impossible in this format.
Yeah. Two issues I see with a fully unregulated auction - one is getting GOATs on the cheap based on a lack of competition within the market which happens in the reinforcement rounds. And the second is incentivising managers to bid rather than hold out forever waiting for everyone else to blow their budgets. As long as those two situations are covered within the rules, I don't see much added value from being over prescriptive with prices for all players.
Those are good suggestions.I am deregulating it further by making the prices cheaper with the same budget. It should encourage more bids
Will introduce 2 additional rules
a) Within a 24 hour period, you should have 2 active nominations and at least 1 bid on the board else you are docked 10m
b) The reinforcement prices will be the final traded prices rather than base price. This should ensure GOATS are not available for cheap
Could bring in the tier prices just for the reinforcements. Means we have the crazy bidding wars early on, but still allows for bargains. Also prevents the scenario of picking up GOATs in reinforcements for 20m
Seconded. +10 rule is supposed to get rid of sneaky alliances but with @Tuppet gone I would be incline to trust the drafters not to do it without any additional help. While the auction will only win from the situation where someone buys Maradona for 250 millions, discovers at the very end that he doesn't have enough money to complete his team and is forced to part with Diego for, say, 100 mil that some cautious drafter saved for a rainy day.I'd probably have trading player as a base value or even at a 10m loss to encourage trading between managers. We had many auction drafts and rarely see a trade between managers which is a shame.
Those are good suggestions.
I'd probably have trading player as a base value or even at a 10m loss to encourage trading between managers. We had many auction drafts and rarely see a trade between managers which is a shame.
looks great as it is now.Edited the trading rule
R.5) Within a 24 hour period, you should have 2 active nominations and at least 1 bid on the board else you are docked 10m
To encourage bidding and not just wait for the bargains when everybody blows his budget.Wait, just seeing this. What is this for?
That sucksTo encourage bidding and not just wait for the bargains when everybody blows his budget.
So going all out early and then to wait is not a permissible strategy? @Indnyc that rules influences strategy. Agree with intent, but people should have freedom to use different strategies.
How so? You need to have 2 active nominations - not that hard as you have to pick 2 reserve players as well and it's not like all of your nominations will be done for 24 hrs, it may take even couple of days when you get multiple bids on your nomination.So going all out early and then to wait is not a permissible strategy? @Indnyc that rules influences strategy. Agree with intent, but people should have freedom to use different strategies.
Not consistently. Assuming I go big for 2 or 3 goats and then stick with 20m or at best 30m players for rest....I would want to pick some hidden gems for later. By this rule, either I nominate and get crap players or I nominate a gem and get outbid. Not really good mechanics.How so? You need to have 2 active nominations - not that hard as you have to pick 2 reserve players as well and it's not like all of your nominations will be done for 24 hrs, it may take even couple of days when you get multiple bids on your nomination.
You only need to outbid someone to get another 24 window think it's pretty easy to fit into those requirements.
Fixed starting price.
@Indnyc I think tiers are good as we've seen so many times managers grabbing a GOAT in SF or Finals for base price, because opponent needs reinforcing in a different position. Also having starting bids ensures no all GOAT teams. Keep it as it is.
Not consistently. Assuming I go big for 2 or 3 goats and then stick with 20m or at best 30m players for rest....I would want to pick some hidden gems for later. By this rule, either I nominate and get crap players or I nominate a gem and get outbid. Not really good mechanics.
Anyways none of previous drafts ever suffered from lack of auction activity till the tail end of the process, so not sure if this enhancement is necessary. In face we had to stop nominations initially to keep lists manageable.
What? Those are on two different rules.
Dude, you've goythis all wrong.One rule you are arguing against because too many goats, the other rule you are arguing against because not enough goats. Leave poor indy alone!
Not consistently. Assuming I go big for 2 or 3 goats and then stick with 20m or at best 30m players for rest....I would want to pick some hidden gems for later. By this rule, either I nominate and get crap players or I nominate a gem and get outbid. Not really good mechanics.
Anyways none of previous drafts ever suffered from lack of auction activity till the tail end of the process, so not sure if this enhancement is necessary. In face we had to stop nominations initially to keep lists manageable.
If you have your GOAT lists right, they cannot do so without paying minimum price. That rule does nothing in this regard.What i don’t want is people picking GOATS for too cheap especially because the prices are reduced
If you have your GOAT lists right, they cannot do so without paying minimum price. That rule does nothing in this regard.
Again to reiterate, there has been no problems in participating in earlier drafts....it was chaos first 2 weeks or so.
Ignoring earlier chaos and picking later has it's risk and may missing popular stars. Still such a strategy should not be discouraged.
So in essence the tactic you have in mind is to blow most of your budget on GOAT's right away and then wait till the end to pick up 10-20m bargains? Yeah, that's why we should have this in place.Not consistently. Assuming I go big for 2 or 3 goats and then stick with 20m or at best 30m players for rest....I would want to pick some hidden gems for later. By this rule, either I nominate and get crap players or I nominate a gem and get outbid. Not really good mechanics.
Anyways none of previous drafts ever suffered from lack of auction activity till the tail end of the process, so not sure if this enhancement is necessary. In face we had to stop nominations initially to keep lists manageable.
Good luck regulating this auction draft
Let me get my popcorn
You should join in the chaos