And that too. Had couple of games that were pretty hard to separate for me, hence didn't vote.
Next Draft - Ideas and Discussions
- Thread starter Edgar Allan Pillow
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Okay with me
@Indnyc
lets go!! auction drafts are the best. This will be my last one for a while and I feel a first final appearance....
lets go!! auction drafts are the best. This will be my last one for a while and I feel a first final appearance....
I'm ready, hit me!
Will start the thread later today/ early tomorrow
I'm utterly shite at actually voting in fairness, and I know others like @harms have expressed similar sentiments. Agreed that if we get back up to 20+votes that we're in safe territory. It doesn't really matter anyway as long as people are enjoying the drafting and the match threads are informative.
Aye, agreed on all points. There definitely seems to be an inverse relationship between interesting and restricted pools and high voting, with rare and glorious exceptions like the Serie A draft, where the pool was fresh and millions of votes poured in, not all of them from Tuppet. It's also good that the match thread debate actually makes an impact, and most matches I vote in basically boil down to some player that I'm particularly appreciative of at that point, or some good arguments in the match thread.
No problem Indy, take your time. Don't see any reason to listen to these junkies and rush things.
No problem Indy, take your time. Don't see any reason to listen to these junkies and rush things.
I think we need to be creative and find a way to get less traditional games, preserving the interest of all while keeping 16 managers per draft
A team which reaches a final plays 4 games and will have the same 80% of players from the start to the end.
Maybe the 1st round should be different: 4 battles of 4 teams, which would reduce the # of threads and refresh things.
Current format:
R1: 8 games
QF: 4 games
SF: 2
Final 1
= 15 games
If we take my approach
R1: 2 games
QF: 4 games
SF: 2
Final 1
= 9 games
Or hybrid approach
R1: 8 games
QF: 4 games
Final battle: a thread for the 4 remaining teams and we choose the best of the 4 teams
= 13 games
A team which reaches a final plays 4 games and will have the same 80% of players from the start to the end.
Maybe the 1st round should be different: 4 battles of 4 teams, which would reduce the # of threads and refresh things.
Current format:
R1: 8 games
QF: 4 games
SF: 2
Final 1
= 15 games
If we take my approach
R1: 2 games
QF: 4 games
SF: 2
Final 1
= 9 games
Or hybrid approach
R1: 8 games
QF: 4 games
Final battle: a thread for the 4 remaining teams and we choose the best of the 4 teams
= 13 games
The co managers draft:
16 managers start as usual.
The same 16 are randomly paired with each other (no manager can be paired with himself)
So now every manager is part of two teams.
We continue to draft as usual. Probably could add some criteria etc as well, but the basic idea is to have managers in multiple teams so that:
1. Drafting two teams is more fun than one and the conundrum of dividing your favorites in each team
2. Probably will be paired with someone you haven't with in the past
3. More managers involved till the end of draft so that the early exists don't get bored.
4. That tuppet lad would probably have loved this draft and somehow end up managing at least 10 teams
16 managers start as usual.
The same 16 are randomly paired with each other (no manager can be paired with himself)
So now every manager is part of two teams.
We continue to draft as usual. Probably could add some criteria etc as well, but the basic idea is to have managers in multiple teams so that:
1. Drafting two teams is more fun than one and the conundrum of dividing your favorites in each team
2. Probably will be paired with someone you haven't with in the past
3. More managers involved till the end of draft so that the early exists don't get bored.
4. That tuppet lad would probably have loved this draft and somehow end up managing at least 10 teams
Rename this thing to Tuppet draft.
Wouldn't that give 24 teams?
How? The same 16 get matched with each other
16 managers each get their own team.
And then get randomly paired with someone else making another 8 teams.
Have I got something confused here?
No, they are paired in the existing 16 teams itself.
All 16 teams will have 2 managers. No team has a single manager
I really don't know if Tuppet = GodShaveTheQueen and the idea is very interesting.That said, the feeling there is an obvious conflict of interests.
Teams
1. Skizzo/Pat
2. Skizzo/Enigma
3. Gio/Physio
4. Gio/Pat
....
15. Tuppet/Charly
16. Tuppet/shrike
If Gio and Skizzo want to pick Maradona at the end, how should Pat react?
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War Auction Draft
Auction draft as usual but before the start of the bidding
- Manager Sjor knows his next opponent is Pat, Arbitrium, or Skizzo
- Manager Pat knows his next opponent is Sjor, Tuppet or Enigma
- ...
-...
@Arbitrium should love the spirit of such a draft
Auction draft as usual but before the start of the bidding
- Manager Sjor knows his next opponent is Pat, Arbitrium, or Skizzo
- Manager Pat knows his next opponent is Sjor, Tuppet or Enigma
- ...
-...
@Arbitrium should love the spirit of such a draft
That said, the feeling there is an obvious conflict of interests.
Teams
1. Skizzo/Pat
2. Skizzo/Enigma
3. Gio/Physio
4. Gio/Pat
....
15. Tuppet/Charly
16. Tuppet/shrike
If Gio and Skizzo want to pick Maradona at the end, how should Pat react?
The conflict of interest is the part of the fun. The first manager of the teams could have veto powers.
All the creative ideas are the welcome really.
In this scenario, the 2nd manager can be useless or traitor or fully transparent (making this draft collaborative: don't take him because the other team wants him). Why not?
If Gio/Pat plays against Gio/Skizzo then Skizzo and Pat run the discussions and Gio doesn't comment.
A very
idea. It deserves consideration War Auction Draft
Auction draft as usual but before the start of the bidding
- Manager Sjor knows his next opponent is Pat, Arbitrium, or Skizzo
- Manager Pat knows his next opponent is Sjor, Tuppet or Enigma
- ...
-...
@Arbitrium should love the spirit of such a draft
With some of the nerd on here we'd have the draw worked out on different permeatituons in no time
I do think the next draft should have some sort of twist though. The remake draft was one of my favourites, so something that requires forethought would be nice.
The 4 way draft was another that was really nice to play as well.
With some of the nerd on here we'd have the draw worked out on different permeatituons in no time
I do think the next draft should have some sort of twist though. The remake draft was one of my favourites, so something that requires forethought would be nice.
The 4 way draft was another that was really nice to play as well.
My suggestion was for the future, not the next new draft
I don't remember the 4 way draft but yeah the remake draft was great
My suggestion was for the future, not the next new draft
I don't remember the 4 way draft but yeah the remake draft was great
Think it was a choice of manager, club, decade or nation. And then you could only pick players in your specific genre
4 way draft was the best.
Let’s do 4 way draft next
asked few times for that but there was no interest from others so lets do something else
I made a research and was part of this draft. I had the timeline players born between 1945 and 1950.
It was pretty boring as far as I'm concerned because I had all the players I want for round 1 and it was impossible to upgrade the team.
With this draft, it is impossible to have Figueroa, Pirri, Cavani, Chislenko and Beckham part of a same team.
I do remember now you had Real Madrid.
Most predictable draft ever I think but my opinion doesn't matter and I will take a break after the current one anyway
Yeah probably better to have it a bit stricter so you've got more managers overlapping
Like when we were able to pick managers and I was thrilled with my Udo Lattek choice, and then @Joga Bonito came and blocked me all the way to an exit when we both went out the same round after blocking each other from all the best reinforcements
Like when we were able to pick managers and I was thrilled with my Udo Lattek choice, and then @Joga Bonito came and blocked me all the way to an exit when we both went out the same round after blocking each other from all the best reinforcements
Yeah exactly like that
Just checking back to see if there's interest now for my earlier "Can you beat them?" Draft.
Snake draft will lots of blocks, but this will not be a usual player vs player draft. Each round 2 managers will compete against a real life legend team and neutrals will decide on the winner (somewhat similar to a remake draft).
For example, Arbitrium and Ecstatic will be drawn to play against Arsenal's Invincible team with neutrals voting which team is stronger and has better change to emerge victorious and that manager goes through.
Snake draft will lots of blocks, but this will not be a usual player vs player draft. Each round 2 managers will compete against a real life legend team and neutrals will decide on the winner (somewhat similar to a remake draft).
For example, Arbitrium and Ecstatic will be drawn to play against Arsenal's Invincible team with neutrals voting which team is stronger and has better change to emerge victorious and that manager goes through.
I'm not likely to have time to play it but it would be interesting being put up against classic sides as I could learn more about how they played. It would certainly would mix it up a bit especially for matches
I would be interested in competing in this draft.
@Edgar Allan Pillow no chance of you running another monopoly style draft? They are my favourites by a long way
given our feckwits regularly play UNO, could we somehow create a draft around it?
I don't have monopoly over the format
If any of you have interesting criteria/variations, please feel free to run it.Quite busy at work and I haven't played a monopoly myself, so will stick with playing for now.
UNO Draft
Draft Restrictions/Allowances:
1. All-time draft with GOAT list.
2. Initial drafting of 13 players snake style, 1 sub(outfield player) must play in the second round.
3. When you get to 13 players you are out and you wait until everyone finish. Last player will play against the house.
4. 8 hrs per pick. Do not wait or provide extra time.
5. No change in picks after posting.
6. No substitutions. Tactical changes with in-field players only.
1 Full match rule
Any players born on or before 31st December 1939 must come with a link to a full game in which they appeared. Otherwise the pick will be invalid and the next drafter can pick immediately. You can then post a valid pick asap. If someone finds a player that is born after 31st December 1939 he can pick him.
Sites for finding full length games:
https://www.dailymotion.com/
https://www.youtube.com/
https://footballia.net/
In the event of a draw
Draws will be decided by goalkeepers. The committee will rank the drafted keepers after drafting is finished and the team with the better keeper will advance in case of a draw.
Assistant/Co Managers:
In match thread, only one of the managers is allowed to post for the duration of the match. The other manager is restricted to 3 posts or less for the duration of match thread. Make your choice and make it clear on match thread on who will lead the discussions.
It's not one at at time. It's just one for the match.
Match submissions:
More of a request. Most managers have multiple days before their matches are due to be played. Please make your submission before and do not wait for match day to make your submission and avoid last minute delays.
Type of Cards
Reverse - self explanatory, draft goes back so a manager that picked before you picks again
Skip - skipping a manager that is after you
Draw 2 - manager after you has to remove a player from his team, if that player also has a "draw" card then he doesnt lose anyone. Punishment just moves on to the next one.
Draw 4 change color - you can pick from the GOAT list and pick a "color" for the next manager
Change color - you can pick any player that you want(that is not on the GOAT list) and a guy after you has to continue in that "color"
4 colors:
Red - Country is a member of Uefa and is not eligible for blue - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA
Green - Country is a member of Conmebol - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CONMEBOL
Blue - England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland or the Republic of Ireland
Yellow - Every nation outside the other 3 colors
Nationality: 1 cap rule, nationality determined by first country you played your first international game.
If you didnt play for your country then its determined by place of birth.
If you are not sure about nationality ask the committee via PM.
You can change the color if you have the card of the same number as the most recent card, if thats the case you can pick any teammate of previously picked player.
They have to play at least one game for the same club in the same season, not necessarily together.
Example
gio - 4 red(europe) - Beckenbauer
harms - 4 green(south america) - Pele
If you cant find a teammate you can pick a player from your color that never won a league.(open for a change)
Rules
1. Everyone will be dealt 7 cards in the beginning.
2. You must play every card that you can(no stacking cards and not playing the ones you dont like), if you dont have a card to play you pick cards from the deck until you get one that you can play.
3. When you play all your cards you just pick from the deck(same as the above) until you get a card you can play so in theory you can play with no cards at some point.
4. Game is simple, you follow the color of a card that is on the table. You can change colors with either special cards or a card of a different color that has the same number as a card on the table. Special cards are "draw 4" and "change color".
5. This will be used to shuffle and draw cards - https://www.random.org/playing-cards/
Reinforcement rules
R0. The sooner you finish your initial squad the better position you have in first reinforcement round.
R1. Extra 2 players per Reinforcement Round. Players from losing teams(no GOATs) are now open to pick, as well as all undrafted players that are not on the GOAT list.
R2. Extra 2 players again but this time you can add 1 new GOAT.
R3. Extra 2 players, this time you can swap one GOAT for another or you can pick 2 regular players.
GOAT List
Probably top 5 per position or something like that, nothing extensive.
Draft Restrictions/Allowances:
1. All-time draft with GOAT list.
2. Initial drafting of 13 players snake style, 1 sub(outfield player) must play in the second round.
3. When you get to 13 players you are out and you wait until everyone finish. Last player will play against the house.
4. 8 hrs per pick. Do not wait or provide extra time.
5. No change in picks after posting.
6. No substitutions. Tactical changes with in-field players only.
1 Full match rule
Any players born on or before 31st December 1939 must come with a link to a full game in which they appeared. Otherwise the pick will be invalid and the next drafter can pick immediately. You can then post a valid pick asap. If someone finds a player that is born after 31st December 1939 he can pick him.
Sites for finding full length games:
https://www.dailymotion.com/
https://www.youtube.com/
https://footballia.net/
In the event of a draw
Draws will be decided by goalkeepers. The committee will rank the drafted keepers after drafting is finished and the team with the better keeper will advance in case of a draw.
Assistant/Co Managers:
In match thread, only one of the managers is allowed to post for the duration of the match. The other manager is restricted to 3 posts or less for the duration of match thread. Make your choice and make it clear on match thread on who will lead the discussions.
It's not one at at time. It's just one for the match.
Match submissions:
More of a request. Most managers have multiple days before their matches are due to be played. Please make your submission before and do not wait for match day to make your submission and avoid last minute delays.
Type of Cards
Reverse - self explanatory, draft goes back so a manager that picked before you picks again
Skip - skipping a manager that is after you
Draw 2 - manager after you has to remove a player from his team, if that player also has a "draw" card then he doesnt lose anyone. Punishment just moves on to the next one.
Draw 4 change color - you can pick from the GOAT list and pick a "color" for the next manager
Change color - you can pick any player that you want(that is not on the GOAT list) and a guy after you has to continue in that "color"
4 colors:
Red - Country is a member of Uefa and is not eligible for blue - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA
Green - Country is a member of Conmebol - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CONMEBOL
Blue - England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland or the Republic of Ireland
Yellow - Every nation outside the other 3 colors
Nationality: 1 cap rule, nationality determined by first country you played your first international game.
If you didnt play for your country then its determined by place of birth.
If you are not sure about nationality ask the committee via PM.
You can change the color if you have the card of the same number as the most recent card, if thats the case you can pick any teammate of previously picked player.
They have to play at least one game for the same club in the same season, not necessarily together.
Example
gio - 4 red(europe) - Beckenbauer
harms - 4 green(south america) - Pele
If you cant find a teammate you can pick a player from your color that never won a league.(open for a change)
Rules
1. Everyone will be dealt 7 cards in the beginning.
2. You must play every card that you can(no stacking cards and not playing the ones you dont like), if you dont have a card to play you pick cards from the deck until you get one that you can play.
3. When you play all your cards you just pick from the deck(same as the above) until you get a card you can play so in theory you can play with no cards at some point.
4. Game is simple, you follow the color of a card that is on the table. You can change colors with either special cards or a card of a different color that has the same number as a card on the table. Special cards are "draw 4" and "change color".
5. This will be used to shuffle and draw cards - https://www.random.org/playing-cards/
Reinforcement rules
R0. The sooner you finish your initial squad the better position you have in first reinforcement round.
R1. Extra 2 players per Reinforcement Round. Players from losing teams(no GOATs) are now open to pick, as well as all undrafted players that are not on the GOAT list.
R2. Extra 2 players again but this time you can add 1 new GOAT.
R3. Extra 2 players, this time you can swap one GOAT for another or you can pick 2 regular players.
GOAT List
Probably top 5 per position or something like that, nothing extensive.
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