Yeah that makes sense.
New Stadium or Revamp Old Trafford | Aim is to build 100k seater stadium
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I think one of the articles written last week suggests that although we'd challenge for NFL games, we wouldn't build it for NFL.
Spurs have positioned their stadium to host a full schedule if the NFL decides to have a full time team here.
I seen an article somewhere last week saying we’d be looking to take the major boxing events from Wembley and host them at the new OT.
How would that work?
Never mind the logistics, would they be playing at 12-1am or something?
He's seen the Wizard. The Wonderful Wizard of Saudi Arabia.
Even the goalkeeper is looking up going "what the feck is that?!!"
Maybe @Hal9000 meant the NFL Europe? But that's been dead since 2007, today's successor is called the European League of Football (ELF). Certainly they wouldn't get the dumb idea to station a team for the actual NFL on the other side of the Atlantic?
Fair enough that would make much more sense.
maybe they would reschedule the time when playing over here just a thought……
So the American fans of the other team would just have to watch the game at 8-12am their time?
Think most of us would want to see Old Trafford to be refurbished with an expansion of the south stand.
Seems more complicated, time consuming and more expensive that building a new stadium as I’ve understood it.
As much as it would be a pain to leave Old Trafford. It’s probably the sensible decision.
I just don’t hope they will knock it down like site plan seem to imply. Where are we even going to play our games if that is the case?
Let's be honest here. Regeneration just means a load of bars, restaurants and apartments that no local people can actually afford.
Yep. But we're just naive idiots living in the past and need to "move with the times"
I read that Sir Jim is the richest person in the UK. If thats the case, why dont he use his wealth to fund the £2B needed for a new stadium? Is it a matter of not having the money or are there legal restrictions stopping him from personally financing it? As a lifelong United fan this is a legacy opportunity that he could truly leave behind.
Yea he can't take it with him can he
Possibly. I'd hate a gentrification of the area but it's all about money innit. Wonder how it'd affect the houses near OT. Could go up in value. But yeah it's just an extension of the Quays. Anyway, that's Manchester thesedays - funky living if you've got the cash.
Rather modernize something classy than build something thats easy on the eye but soulless
So the American fans of the other team would just have to watch the game at 8-12am their time?
That'd never happen to then Prem. There's no chance we'll have the odd fixture Stateside. You just know it'll happen eventually.
That's the problem. To modernised the ground they'd need a bigger footprint and I'm not sure building over/on the canal or even railway is feasible.
It needs to be a new stadium. OT cannot be revamped to the level needed due to the south stand
A new stadium on the same site is the dream for me
A new stadium on the same site is the dream for me
We should massacre a load of people on the site of the new ground, that way their spirits will haunt the ground and it won't be soulless.
Wimbledon (tennis) have just got approval from the Deputy Mayor of London for 39 tennis courts and have said, "Our ambition, if everything falls into place, is that we could see tennis balls being hit on that site between 2030 and 2033."
If that's of any relevance, "New Old Trafford" may be a good ten years away.
If that's of any relevance, "New Old Trafford" may be a good ten years away.
7pm UK is 2pm on the East coast and 11 am on the West - perfectly normal times for US sports events, they aren't fixated on specific times like the UK tends to beSo the American fans of the other team would just have to watch the game at 8-12am their time?
Oh yeah.
It's the whole premise of modern day Manchester that "we do things differently here" but ultimately we do things like everyone else.
The next two NFL games in London next month are both at 14:30pm in the afternoon. Do they normally kick off at 7pm?
How so?
I've stayed up to watch a lot of boxing/mma in Europe that was timed for an American audience.
Wouldn't surprise me if that pops up again in the next few years.
Just look at the schedules, baseball has games scheduled every afternoon, college football has regular 11am games, you can basically watch live sport on TV all day because they spread them out and because of the 3 hour time difference coast to coast
Evertons new stadium is looking really nice, I know its a lot smaller that what we are looking to build but it still shows that you can build a modern stadium that doesnt look soulless
in what way does it look like is isn't soulless?
Because that's such a misused and meaningless term. A stadium's soul comes from the atmosphere, the moments and, eventually, the history and the memories.
The idea anyone is expected to find an image of some empty seats that are configured near some grass and expect to observe something 'soulful' about it, is silly.
I've read a few times, that they have actually looked into that, having a full time team in the UK that is.
Two things. 1. The distance between London and New York is roughly 3,400 miles and the distance from New England to San Francisco is roughly 2,600 miles. Their argument being, that NFL teams already travel big distances for some matches, so a team stationed full time in the UK, isn't that much of a stretch in that respect (Kick Off times aside)
And 2. The NFL has been wanting to expand the game beyond America for some time. Its a bit hard to call yourself 'World Champions' when the only country you play in, is the US.
So it wouldn't surprise me, if at some point, they do station a full time team here.
Apologies if this has already been discussed, but if they did knock Old Trafford down, have they mentioned any plans about selling off the red bricks to fans, as memorabilia?
Seems like an easy way of making a bit of funding. Box them up, small certificate of authentication, that sort of thing.
Seems like an easy way of making a bit of funding. Box them up, small certificate of authentication, that sort of thing.
Yes, keep saying that any of this is a gd 7-10 years away anyway probably
It's very Arthur Ashe
That looks and sounds amazing. Expensive though!
Seats close to the action, looks really fantastic! I wouldn't mind our new home to be like this, even if means "only" 80k capacity
He doesn’t own the club, so why would he pay for everything? Who in their right mind would spend a fortune to enrich the Glazers further? I dare say he’d put in half a billion if they paid the other 1.5 billion.
1. That's still quite a bit of a difference in distance and flight time. An hour longer in the air, more time zones crossed and thus more jetlag issues. And you are entirely ignoring that the teams would not just be flying teams to Britain from the east coast - the distance between San Francisco and England would be significantly larger. That'll turn your 7hrs flight from Boston to Heathrow into a 10+ one coming from San Francisco and cause even more jetlag. Plus international flights automatically take longer on the airport side due to immigration and baggage checks.
That's something that you can do as a marketing stunt like they do with the International Series, much like European football teams travel to Asia or the Americas to attract viewership and sell merch, but for a regular season, where teams would have to travel this distance all the time? Seems like a stretch that the team owners would agree to that on a weekly basis.
2. They've literally tried that with the NFL Europe and gave up on it because it wasn't profitable for them. They lost tons of money and had little success anywhere but in Germany where a combination of US military bases and heavy ticket subsidies resulted in a decent viewership (and a European league that was mostly German teams, same as the EFL is now). Britain doesn't even have an active high level football team anymore.
That said, I do not think that the NFL, or any American Football in general, is really a relevant topic when talking about what might happen with Old Trafford or the new stadium.
What's all this nonsense NFL talk? Not relevant.
You seem to have misinterpreted my post.
1. The info about the distance isn't my opinion. It's what the people in charge of the game quoted when asked about a team based in the UK.
2. They're talking about expanding the current NFL setup/league, not creating a new one. Again, their words, not mine.
And finally, I was responding to your post that brought up the NFL and the distances between regions.
With regards talking about the NFL and Old Trafford, I think it's perfectly fine to talk about it, seeing as Sir Jim and the team have said they want the new stadium to be a 'hub of the north'. That ultimately means its not just about Manchester United, its about everything else that comes with that development, be it NFL games, music concerts, events etc it's all within the context of a new stadium.
The title of the thread is new stadium or rebuild Old Trafford., it's not 'new stadium for football only talk'.
All that's fair. Of course a new build will look to bolster income by staging non-footballing events. That's just natural and a given.
Still weird that a thread about OT has derailed into lengthy discussions about flight times and time zone differences between the UK and USA. Not to mention NFL Europe.
Maybe a new thread about such a specific topic would suffice. As G3079 already said:
I do not think that the NFL, or any American Football in general, is really a relevant topic when talking about what might happen with Old Trafford or the new stadium.
Still weird that a thread about OT has derailed into lengthy discussions about flight times and time zone differences between the UK and USA. Not to mention NFL Europe.
Maybe a new thread about such a specific topic would suffice. As G3079 already said:
I do not think that the NFL, or any American Football in general, is really a relevant topic when talking about what might happen with Old Trafford or the new stadium.
Spurs have definitely been mentioned as perhaps hosting an NFL team permanantly at some point.
As for time zones, their regular early games are on at 6pm (UK time) on a Sunday. 8 matches kicking off at that time today so that would be doable-ish. However, the 2 actual matches they're hosting this year are on at 2:30 pm.
Looking back at the games they've had, it seems Jacksonville Jaguars are often one of the teams to move a home game to London. First, they're 5 hours behind for time zones and east coast USA teams are best fit for fans to watch, second they've not been very good so maybe nobody really cares that they're missing out on a home match? This year and last they're having an 'away' game in the UK too, staying over for 2 weeks. The bloke who owns them also owns Fulham.
Can't see us or another stadium getting involved in that outside of Spurs though. They've locked that up and being in London it's just better for everyone to travel to. The teams, UK fans, European fans (lots travel from Germany) and a bigger population city for those who might want to go out of curiosity to the odd game. Many more hotels too.
Teams do travel a long way within the US so it wouldn't be such a problem, although it's worth remembering that they always play teams in their own regional division twice to restrict the travel at least a little bit. Still, New England (Boston area) are playing in San Francisco today according to the fixtures and that's a mission.
As for time zones, their regular early games are on at 6pm (UK time) on a Sunday. 8 matches kicking off at that time today so that would be doable-ish. However, the 2 actual matches they're hosting this year are on at 2:30 pm.
Looking back at the games they've had, it seems Jacksonville Jaguars are often one of the teams to move a home game to London. First, they're 5 hours behind for time zones and east coast USA teams are best fit for fans to watch, second they've not been very good so maybe nobody really cares that they're missing out on a home match? This year and last they're having an 'away' game in the UK too, staying over for 2 weeks. The bloke who owns them also owns Fulham.
Can't see us or another stadium getting involved in that outside of Spurs though. They've locked that up and being in London it's just better for everyone to travel to. The teams, UK fans, European fans (lots travel from Germany) and a bigger population city for those who might want to go out of curiosity to the odd game. Many more hotels too.
Teams do travel a long way within the US so it wouldn't be such a problem, although it's worth remembering that they always play teams in their own regional division twice to restrict the travel at least a little bit. Still, New England (Boston area) are playing in San Francisco today according to the fixtures and that's a mission.
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